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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 17, 2015 9:34:55 GMT -5
What WWE fan cares about Lennox Lewis? Just like no WWE fan was AT ALL interested in the Floyd Mayweather/Big Show match....WWE fans don't really care about doing cross sport promotion and having athletes from other sports or celebrities have matches. It's almost like those things are aimed at attracting audiences other than the people who already watch every week.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Jul 17, 2015 9:35:54 GMT -5
What WWE fan cares about Lennox Lewis? Just like no WWE fan was AT ALL interested in the Floyd Mayweather/Big Show match....WWE fans don't really care about doing cross sport promotion and having athletes from other sports or celebrities have matches. In fact it's insulting to the WWE Superstars when WWE brings in celebrities and people from other sports for matches because it takes spots on cards away from actual wrestlers, and it is also insulting by perpetuating the idea that "anybody can wrestle" and it completely makes light of the YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of training, struggle, and time on the independent scene that most wrestlers have to endure. This is the stuff that ruined WCW with Jay Leno, David Arquette, and Carl Malone wrestling matches. Hulk Hogan, the greatest of all time. Broke Andre the Giant's 15 year undefeated streak, has had battles with guys like Sting, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair.....but gets his ass kicked by late night host Jay Leno? The only person most WWE fans want to see step into the ring at this point is Ronda Rousey. But not against Stephanie McMahon. Ronda is the most dangerous woman in the world, and I don't think a 38 year old mother of 3 stands even a kayfabe chance when Ronda Rousey is beating legit fighters in less than a minute. That's such a tired cliche, let's be honest. What ruined WCW was the AOL-Time Warner merger, Jamie Kellner, the deal with Fusient/Bischoff falling through and Vince buying the scraps. WCW, despite it's questionable booking at times, was still pulling in solid ratings and PPV buyrates, even at the very end. The TV ratings were still pretty good by cable standards but the PPV buys were terrible by, well, any standards. They were TNA levels of bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 9:44:33 GMT -5
I know it's documented in those shows. But who produced that series? WWE. It's not exactly going to be an unbiased account. With regards to TNA, Bischoff and Hogan may have been involved, but that s**t for brains Dixie Carter still had final say. TNA was still watchable to me when Bischoff and Hogan left, and it's gone downhill ever since then. So blame Dixie for that. And Russo's OK, as long as he has a filter, which he didn't have in WCW. He definitely had the right idea about pushing younger talent. Without Vince McMahon, Vince Russo wasn't able to determine which of his ideas were good and which of his ideas were terrible. Without McMahon, every idea that popped into Russo's head, he just assumed it was gold and went with it. Clearly he was good at coming up with a lot of ideas, but without that filer you mentioned (Vince McMahon), Russo was able to get a lot of stuff to TV that never should have been in WCW and TNA. That makes Vince Russo bad at his job if he can't differentiate between a good idea and a bad idea. Yeah, he's got ideas, but he made a lot of poor judgement calls. He did make a lot of poor judgment calls, there's no denying that. BUT he was only put in charge of WCW when Bischoff was burnt out and sent home. When they brought Bischoff back, Russo had the final call on everything. If roles had been reversed at that point, Bischoff could of been Russo's filter, and we wouldn't be having this discussion right now, because WCW would still be here in some shape or form.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 9:58:35 GMT -5
British Flag. He came down with the Bulldog, the fans loved it! I've heard good things about that match. I must get round to watching it sometime. Before you watch it, it's interesting to think that Bulldog was completely out of his head that entire match, yet it's still regarded as a classic. Fun fact: When Bret contacted Bulldog to plan for that match; Bulldog said "I'm fooked", and when Bret asked him why, he said he'd been "smoking crack with Jim [Neidhart] all summer long".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 10:00:56 GMT -5
I've heard good things about that match. I must get round to watching it sometime. Before you watch it, it's interesting to think that Bulldog was completely out of his head that entire match, yet it's still regarded as a classic. Fun fact: When Bret contacted Bulldog to plan for that match; Bulldog said "I'm fooked", and when Bret asked him why, he said he'd been "smoking crack with Jim [Neidhart] all summer long". I remember Bret saying about that in his book. I can't really think of a time that Bulldog wasn't off his head on something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 14:18:19 GMT -5
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 14:22:45 GMT -5
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
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Post by attitudesback on Jul 17, 2015 14:47:12 GMT -5
Things like this aren't meant for the fans. They're meant for news outlets, to bring eyes into the company. Brock Lesnar vs. Lewis proves that WWE's talent is a genuine monster, as Lewis is perceived a "real" fighter. It's not meant for die-hard fans posting on forums, Daniel Bryan's WM30 was for that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 14:49:34 GMT -5
Things like this aren't meant for the fans. They're meant for news outlets, to bring eyes into the company. Brock Lesnar vs. Lewis proves that WWE's talent is a genuine monster, as Lewis is perceived a "real" fighter. It's not meant for die-hard fans posting on forums, Daniel Bryan's WM30 was for that. I'm probably in the minority here, but I was p****d off that Batista got screwed over.
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Post by Joel on Jul 17, 2015 18:02:52 GMT -5
Well im glad we didn't get to see that, I could already imagine it would have been horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 18:44:47 GMT -5
Lewis would've died.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jul 17, 2015 19:11:37 GMT -5
Things like this aren't meant for the fans. They're meant for news outlets, to bring eyes into the company. Brock Lesnar vs. Lewis proves that WWE's talent is a genuine monster, as Lewis is perceived a "real" fighter. It's not meant for die-hard fans posting on forums, Daniel Bryan's WM30 was for that. I'm probably in the minority here, but I was p****d off that Batista got screwed over. You're the .000001 percenter.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on Jul 17, 2015 20:03:25 GMT -5
Just like no WWE fan was AT ALL interested in the Floyd Mayweather/Big Show match.... Speak for yourself, that was a great match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 6:08:58 GMT -5
PT Barnum stuff right there.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 18, 2015 6:33:32 GMT -5
A worked match probably would have been awful, since most celeb involvement in WWE has been a bust. In a legitimate competition where a boxer, even an all-time great like Lewis, is pitted against an MMA fighter of similar caliber, the boxer is at a disadvantage since he's out of his element. With all due respect to Lennox, my favorite boxer of all time, I can't see any way this would have worked.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 6:46:18 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority here, but I was p****d off that Batista got screwed over. You're the .000001 percenter. .000001 percenter and proud!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 7:09:48 GMT -5
Lesnar is trained in all forms of combat.
Grappling, striking, submissions, everything.
He would win in a real fight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 9:06:01 GMT -5
Bullsh*t.
Lewis is full of sh*t. He was also a total waste of space as a boxer. Big unathletic slob.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 19, 2015 5:38:08 GMT -5
Bullsh*t. Lewis is full of sh*t. He was also a total waste of space as a boxer. Big unathletic slob. This post must be "in character" as the Joker, because the facts speak for themselves. Lewis had one bad fight in his entire career. He was a surgeon in the ring who made other heavyweights look like back-alley bums.
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Post by Mr Angry Cena on Jul 19, 2015 6:35:40 GMT -5
Bullsh*t. Lewis is full of sh*t. He was also a total waste of space as a boxer. Big unathletic slob. This post must be "in character" as the Joker, because the facts speak for themselves. Lewis had one bad fight in his entire career. He was a surgeon in the ring who made other heavyweights look like back-alley bums. True. People who don't know boxing shouldn't comment on it.
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