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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 7:17:50 GMT -5
I'm glad that didn't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:10:58 GMT -5
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 17, 2015 8:11:48 GMT -5
What WWE fan cares about Lennox Lewis? Just like no WWE fan was AT ALL interested in the Floyd Mayweather/Big Show match....WWE fans don't really care about doing cross sport promotion and having athletes from other sports or celebrities have matches. In fact it's insulting to the WWE Superstars when WWE brings in celebrities and people from other sports for matches because it takes spots on cards away from actual wrestlers, and it is also insulting by perpetuating the idea that "anybody can wrestle" and it completely makes light of the YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of training, struggle, and time on the independent scene that most wrestlers have to endure. This is the stuff that ruined WCW with Jay Leno, David Arquette, and Carl Malone wrestling matches. Hulk Hogan, the greatest of all time. Broke Andre the Giant's 15 year undefeated streak, has had battles with guys like Sting, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair.....but gets his ass kicked by late night host Jay Leno?  The only person most WWE fans want to see step into the ring at this point is Ronda Rousey. But not against Stephanie McMahon. Ronda is the most dangerous woman in the world, and I don't think a 38 year old mother of 3 stands even a kayfabe chance when Ronda Rousey is beating legit fighters in less than a minute. |
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Post by The Yes Man on Jul 17, 2015 8:12:33 GMT -5
Former boxer. Had a fight with Tyson at one point, I believe. I literally as soon as I posted that remembered who he was, lol. Still happy it didn't happen. Wouldn't have been worth anywhere near what it sounds like they were gonna pay him. |
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jul 17, 2015 8:15:09 GMT -5
I'd fight Lesnar for £5m
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:15:39 GMT -5
What WWE fan cares about Lennox Lewis? Just like no WWE fan was AT ALL interested in the Floyd Mayweather/Big Show match....WWE fans don't really care about doing cross sport promotion and having athletes from other sports or celebrities have matches. In fact it's insulting to the WWE Superstars when WWE brings in celebrities and people from other sports for matches because it takes spots on cards away from actual wrestlers, and it is also insulting by perpetuating the idea that "anybody can wrestle" and it completely makes light of the YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of training, struggle, and time on the independent scene that most wrestlers have to endure. This is the stuff that ruined WCW with Jay Leno, David Arquette, and Carl Malone wrestling matches. Hulk Hogan, the greatest of all time. Broke Andre the Giant's 15 year undefeated streak, has had battles with guys like Sting, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair.....but gets his ass kicked by late night host Jay Leno? The only person most WWE fans want to see step into the ring at this point is Ronda Rousey. But not against Stephanie McMahon. Ronda is the most dangerous woman in the world, and I don't think a 38 year old mother of 3 stands even a kayfabe chance when Ronda Rousey is beating legit fighters in less than a minute. That's such a tired cliche, let's be honest. What ruined WCW was the AOL-Time Warner merger, Jamie Kellner, the deal with Fusient/Bischoff falling through and Vince buying the scraps. WCW, despite it's questionable booking at times, was still pulling in solid ratings and PPV buyrates, even at the very end. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 17, 2015 8:20:24 GMT -5
What WWE fan cares about Lennox Lewis? Just like no WWE fan was AT ALL interested in the Floyd Mayweather/Big Show match....WWE fans don't really care about doing cross sport promotion and having athletes from other sports or celebrities have matches. In fact it's insulting to the WWE Superstars when WWE brings in celebrities and people from other sports for matches because it takes spots on cards away from actual wrestlers, and it is also insulting by perpetuating the idea that "anybody can wrestle" and it completely makes light of the YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS of training, struggle, and time on the independent scene that most wrestlers have to endure. This is the stuff that ruined WCW with Jay Leno, David Arquette, and Carl Malone wrestling matches. Hulk Hogan, the greatest of all time. Broke Andre the Giant's 15 year undefeated streak, has had battles with guys like Sting, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair.....but gets his ass kicked by late night host Jay Leno? The only person most WWE fans want to see step into the ring at this point is Ronda Rousey. But not against Stephanie McMahon. Ronda is the most dangerous woman in the world, and I don't think a 38 year old mother of 3 stands even a kayfabe chance when Ronda Rousey is beating legit fighters in less than a minute. That's such a tired cliche, let's be honest. What ruined WCW was the AOL-Time Warner merger, Jamie Kellner, the deal with Fusient/Bischoff falling through and Vince buying the scraps. WCW, despite it's questionable booking at times, was still pulling in solid ratings and PPV buyrates, even at the very end. Let's be honest....WCW was ruined from a CREATIVE standpoint, long before they were ruined from a BUSINESS standpoint. Judy Bagwell on a forklift match? Viagra on a pole match? Yeah, the AOL/Time Warner thing was the final nail in the coffin.....but WCW was dead on it's feet for 2 years before that even happened. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:25:49 GMT -5
That's such a tired cliche, let's be honest. What ruined WCW was the AOL-Time Warner merger, Jamie Kellner, the deal with Fusient/Bischoff falling through and Vince buying the scraps. WCW, despite it's questionable booking at times, was still pulling in solid ratings and PPV buyrates, even at the very end. Let's be honest....WCW was ruined from a CREATIVE standpoint, long before they were ruined from a BUSINESS standpoint. Judy Bagwell on a forklift match? Viagra on a pole match? Yeah, the AOL/Time Warner thing was the final nail in the coffin.....but WCW was dead on it's feet for 2 years before that even happened. They had some stupid matches and angles over the years, but so has WWE. Neither company was truly better than the other. If the Bischoff/Fusient deal had worked out, WCW would have turned things around. Russo and his team would have been out, so creatively, the company could be fixed. Bischoff learnt from his mistakes and he had a great vision for WCW going forward. Anything that had been done creatively was not irreparable. |
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Post by jakksking1 on Jul 17, 2015 8:28:05 GMT -5
That's such a tired cliche, let's be honest. What ruined WCW was the AOL-Time Warner merger, Jamie Kellner, the deal with Fusient/Bischoff falling through and Vince buying the scraps. WCW, despite it's questionable booking at times, was still pulling in solid ratings and PPV buyrates, even at the very end. Let's be honest....WCW was ruined from a CREATIVE standpoint, long before they were ruined from a BUSINESS standpoint. Judy Bagwell on a forklift match? Viagra on a pole match? Yeah, the AOL/Time Warner thing was the final nail in the coffin.....but WCW was dead on it's feet for 2 years before that even happened. Nitro was so painful to watch. The biggest moment ever on Nitro, Goldberg vs Hogan (obviously this was very dumb and cost the company millions by not airing it on PPV) featured a cameo by Karl Malone beating up Mr Perfect. Just made no sense whatsoever |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 17, 2015 8:28:50 GMT -5
Yeah well if... Ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:30:21 GMT -5
Yeah well if... Ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas. Only if they're maple pecan nuts. Mmmm. What were we talking about again? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 17, 2015 8:33:32 GMT -5
Lennox Lewis does have a past history with the WWE though. At SummerSlam 92 he carried the flag to the ring for the British Bulldog vs. Bret Hart match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:35:16 GMT -5
Lennox Lewis does have a past history with the WWE though. At SummerSlam 92 he carried the flag to the ring for the British Bulldog vs. Bret Hart match. Did he? I haven't seen SummerSlam '92 yet. Did he carry the British or Canadian flag? He has dual citizenship with both countries, I believe. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 17, 2015 8:36:12 GMT -5
Lennox Lewis does have a past history with the WWE though. At SummerSlam 92 he carried the flag to the ring for the British Bulldog vs. Bret Hart match. Did he? I haven't seen SummerSlam '92 yet. Did he carry the British or Canadian flag? He has dual citizenship with both countries, I believe. British Flag. He came down with the Bulldog, the fans loved it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:37:38 GMT -5
Did he? I haven't seen SummerSlam '92 yet. Did he carry the British or Canadian flag? He has dual citizenship with both countries, I believe. British Flag. He came down with the Bulldog, the fans loved it! I've heard good things about that match. I must get round to watching it sometime. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 17, 2015 8:39:05 GMT -5
Let's be honest....WCW was ruined from a CREATIVE standpoint, long before they were ruined from a BUSINESS standpoint. Judy Bagwell on a forklift match? Viagra on a pole match? Yeah, the AOL/Time Warner thing was the final nail in the coffin.....but WCW was dead on it's feet for 2 years before that even happened. They had some stupid matches and angles over the years, but so has WWE. Neither company was truly better than the other. If the Bischoff/Fusient deal had worked out, WCW would have turned things around. Russo and his team would have been out, so creatively, the company could be fixed. Bischoff learnt from his mistakes and he had a great vision for WCW going forward. Anything that had been done creatively was not irreparable. Eric Bischoff didn't do anything for TNA, and in fact he and Hogan did a massive amount of damage from a creative standpoint, and Vince Russo was still involved from time to time, so I don't think that Russo would have been out from WCW if the Bischoff deal went through. Bottom line, 1999-2001, WCW sucked. 1996, 1997 WCW was far better than WWF, but in 1998 it started to shift, and then by 1999 it was over in my opinion. Nobody asked any questions about the money that was being spent when WCW was on top.....but you can't be throwing around that type of money if you're losing in the ratings. This is all documented in the Monday Night War shows. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 17, 2015 8:42:37 GMT -5
British Flag. He came down with the Bulldog, the fans loved it! I've heard good things about that match. I must get round to watching it sometime. You definitely should! The match has lived up to its fame over the past 20 some odd years. I would think the same reaction from the fans would have happened no matter where the match was being held at. Fans loved Davey and loved Bret back then, it's impossible to not like that match. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 8:43:38 GMT -5
They had some stupid matches and angles over the years, but so has WWE. Neither company was truly better than the other. If the Bischoff/Fusient deal had worked out, WCW would have turned things around. Russo and his team would have been out, so creatively, the company could be fixed. Bischoff learnt from his mistakes and he had a great vision for WCW going forward. Anything that had been done creatively was not irreparable. Eric Bischoff didn't do anything for TNA, and in fact he and Hogan did a massive amount of damage from a creative standpoint, and Vince Russo was still involved from time to time, so I don't think that Russo would have been out from WCW if the Bischoff deal went through. Bottom line, 1999-2001, WCW sucked. 1996, 1997 WCW was far better than WWF, but in 1998 it started to shift, and then by 1999 it was over in my opinion. Nobody asked any questions about the money that was being spent when WCW was on top.....but you can't be throwing around that type of money if you're losing in the ratings. This is all documented in the Monday Night War shows. I know it's documented in those shows. But who produced that series? WWE. It's not exactly going to be an unbiased account. With regards to TNA, Bischoff and Hogan may have been involved, but that s**t for brains Dixie Carter still had final say. TNA was still watchable to me when Bischoff and Hogan left, and it's gone downhill ever since then. So blame Dixie for that. And Russo's OK, as long as he has a filter, which he didn't have in WCW. He definitely had the right idea about pushing younger talent. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 17, 2015 9:30:27 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff didn't do anything for TNA, and in fact he and Hogan did a massive amount of damage from a creative standpoint, and Vince Russo was still involved from time to time, so I don't think that Russo would have been out from WCW if the Bischoff deal went through. Bottom line, 1999-2001, WCW sucked. 1996, 1997 WCW was far better than WWF, but in 1998 it started to shift, and then by 1999 it was over in my opinion. Nobody asked any questions about the money that was being spent when WCW was on top.....but you can't be throwing around that type of money if you're losing in the ratings. This is all documented in the Monday Night War shows. I know it's documented in those shows. But who produced that series? WWE. It's not exactly going to be an unbiased account. With regards to TNA, Bischoff and Hogan may have been involved, but that s**t for brains Dixie Carter still had final say. TNA was still watchable to me when Bischoff and Hogan left, and it's gone downhill ever since then. So blame Dixie for that. And Russo's OK, as long as he has a filter, which he didn't have in WCW. He definitely had the right idea about pushing younger talent. Without Vince McMahon, Vince Russo wasn't able to determine which of his ideas were good and which of his ideas were terrible. Without McMahon, every idea that popped into Russo's head, he just assumed it was gold and went with it. Clearly he was good at coming up with a lot of ideas, but without that filer you mentioned (Vince McMahon), Russo was able to get a lot of stuff to TV that never should have been in WCW and TNA. That makes Vince Russo bad at his job if he can't differentiate between a good idea and a bad idea. Yeah, he's got ideas, but he made a lot of poor judgement calls. |
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