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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 21, 2015 11:40:11 GMT -5
Maybe Cena-Owens isn't completely done just yet. Kev still has an NXT Title rematch to go through with Finn Balor, and I'm not sure where his teased feud with Joe went.
We still have a full month before Summerslam to see what they have planned. Cena's confrontation with Rollins might have meant nothing, and there is still a Triple Threat Match planned for the US Title like most expect. Or Cena-Rollins does happen and Owens costs John the WWE Championship, setting up the real blowoff.
It does look a bit discouraging right now, but surely they won't screw the pooch with Cena's opponent again, right?
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Post by bigraj on Jul 21, 2015 12:25:05 GMT -5
What have Wyatt and Rusev done since losing their feuds to Cena? I assume Owens will be in the same boat. The character development on the main roster is a total mess. Rusev is only in his first feud since Cena, and missed valuable ring-time to injury. Wyatt hasn't really done anything. He's only feuded with Chris Jericho, Dean Ambrose, Undertaker (at WrestleMania), and Roman Reigns: A couple of all-time legends and 2 guys currently in the main event scene. Yeah, Wyatt is about 20 feet under at this point.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 21, 2015 13:03:21 GMT -5
I wish someone would bury the word "buried". People try to use it to sound smart, but it's usually accomplishes the contrary.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jul 21, 2015 13:33:47 GMT -5
Batman's a vigilante, not a hero. There is a huge difference. Which is to say that is also the massive difference between John Cena, and someone like Stone Cold Steve Austin. But people would complain if they pushed Sting too!!! I know i wouldn't since Sting is awesome!
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Post by BCizzle on Jul 21, 2015 13:42:04 GMT -5
Has John Cena ever lost a feud in his career?
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 21, 2015 13:42:44 GMT -5
Owens looked like a million bucks in the matches. Except for the part where he tapped to Cena's crappy STF.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 21, 2015 13:43:35 GMT -5
What have Wyatt and Rusev done since losing their feuds to Cena? I assume Owens will be in the same boat. The character development on the main roster is a total mess. Rusev is only in his first feud since Cena, and missed valuable ring-time to injury. Wyatt hasn't really done anything. He's only feuded with Chris Jericho, Dean Ambrose, Undertaker (at WrestleMania), and Roman Reigns: A couple of all-time legends and 2 guys currently in the main event scene. Yeah, Wyatt is about 20 feet under at this point. Yea, they've given Wyatts feuds but most either A) are pointless or B) he comes off looking bad. For example... Jericho: Pointless. He lost to Jericho and then beat him, but ever since Fandango beat Jericho, a win over him doesn't mean much. Ambrose: He dominated and killed Ambrose's momentum only to be fed to the Undertaker Undertaker: Bray did all of the work in the program, only to lose on the big stage against a big name again. Bray looks like a choke artist Ryback: Pointless and didn't really help. Roman: Undecided. Basically the guy went from beating Daniel Bryan CLEAN and pinning Reigns at EC, to looking a complete chump against Cena and never fully recovered back to where he was before WrestleMania XXX.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 21, 2015 13:44:54 GMT -5
Has John Cena ever lost a feud in his career? Maybe Brock. He lost to Brock in 2003 and 2014, but also beat him in 2012 and won via DQ against him in 2014. Undertaker from their 2003 days.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 21, 2015 14:15:19 GMT -5
Uh yeah, Batman is the number one selling comic book in the world, not Superman. Our society stopped eating our vitamins in the 90s. The only person who seemingly doesn't understand that is Vince McMahon. Last I checked, Batman was a good guy. What he is trying to get across is that people are tired of the the superhero with every superpower that always wins. Every time Superman is defeated, he ends up winning without seemingly changing anything almost immediately. When Batman is defeated, he is a broken man. He is built back up and learns to adapt, and even then he won't always win. Superman is also this immortal, squeaky clean hero. Batman is a mortal man who's only power is his wealth, that faces the moral dilemmas of everyday life. In the 90's people started shifting to the more relatable superhero. That was a big deciding factor when Vince put Lex against Bret, Bret ended up gaining the greater fan support. That is why Wrestling took off again with Austin and Sting. This is still the case today. That is why all of the movies from the Dark Knight Trilogy (aside from Batman Begins) had individually made 4/3 of the amount Man of Steel did. Cena is the squeaky clean superhero. People have grown very tired of this as well as the lack of any other superhero remaining near his level to get behind (Bryan, Punk).
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Post by Miztery on Jul 21, 2015 14:29:34 GMT -5
Has John Cena ever lost a feud in his career? What has always surprised me is how many feuds he has had with Orton and Edge yet how little he has lost those feuds. It truly is a joke that he's only lost a hand full of feuds in his entire career but there's not much we can do about it. We've known it would be this way since 05/06.
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Post by bigraj on Jul 21, 2015 14:29:59 GMT -5
Rusev is only in his first feud since Cena, and missed valuable ring-time to injury. Wyatt hasn't really done anything. He's only feuded with Chris Jericho, Dean Ambrose, Undertaker (at WrestleMania), and Roman Reigns: A couple of all-time legends and 2 guys currently in the main event scene. Yeah, Wyatt is about 20 feet under at this point. Yea, they've given Wyatts feuds but most either A) are pointless or B) he comes off looking bad. For example... Jericho: Pointless. He lost to Jericho and then beat him, but ever since Fandango beat Jericho, a win over him doesn't mean much. Ambrose: He dominated and killed Ambrose's momentum only to be fed to the Undertaker Undertaker: Bray did all of the work in the program, only to lose on the big stage against a big name again. Bray looks like a choke artist Ryback: Pointless and didn't really help. Roman: Undecided. Basically the guy went from beating Daniel Bryan CLEAN and pinning Reigns at EC, to looking a complete chump against Cena and never fully recovered back to where he was before WrestleMania XXX. So, he beats guys while moving up the card, loses to the tippy-top guy in the business, then he keeps feuding with legends and main event players. That's not being buried, unless you think that everyone that feuds with Cena should immediately win the world title afterwards, and anything else is a burial.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 21, 2015 14:34:29 GMT -5
Yea, they've given Wyatts feuds but most either A) are pointless or B) he comes off looking bad. For example... Jericho: Pointless. He lost to Jericho and then beat him, but ever since Fandango beat Jericho, a win over him doesn't mean much. Ambrose: He dominated and killed Ambrose's momentum only to be fed to the Undertaker Undertaker: Bray did all of the work in the program, only to lose on the big stage against a big name again. Bray looks like a choke artist Ryback: Pointless and didn't really help. Roman: Undecided. Basically the guy went from beating Daniel Bryan CLEAN and pinning Reigns at EC, to looking a complete chump against Cena and never fully recovered back to where he was before WrestleMania XXX. So, he beats guys while moving up the card, loses to the tippy-top guy in the business, then he keeps feuding with legends and main event players. That's not being buried, unless you think that everyone that feuds with Cena should immediately win the world title afterwards, and anything else is a burial. Oh, let me get this straight. I do NOT think that Bray Wyatt was buried. Buried is a poor word choice that a lot of people use incorrectly. I'm just saying that Bray Wyatt came out of that Cena feud looking far worse than when he went it. It didn't help him at all. That's more the fault of creative than Cena, but it still remains the case.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 21, 2015 15:02:27 GMT -5
Has John Cena ever lost a feud in his career? CM Punk and Daniel Bryan (although he never really feuded with Daniel Bryan).
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Post by bigraj on Jul 21, 2015 15:04:20 GMT -5
So, he beats guys while moving up the card, loses to the tippy-top guy in the business, then he keeps feuding with legends and main event players. That's not being buried, unless you think that everyone that feuds with Cena should immediately win the world title afterwards, and anything else is a burial. Oh, let me get this straight. I do NOT think that Bray Wyatt was buried. Buried is a poor word choice that a lot of people use incorrectly. I'm just saying that Bray Wyatt came out of that Cena feud looking far worse than when he went it. It didn't help him at all. That's more the fault of creative than Cena, but it still remains the case. Still not seeing how he looks worse. He lost to THE top guy and is still in the mix with guys a notch below Cena, and EVERYONE is at least a notch below him. There is nothing more high profile than feuding with Cena in WWE. Should he have won the feud with Cena? Then run over the rest of babyface roster? Win the WWE title? Otherwise it's all a waste and he should have never been brought up from NXT? You may not be a fan of the quality of the feuds, I know I haven't always, but he's still in a very prominent spot. And it seems that the Wyatt Family is being put back together. That's when Bray was at his best, so things may be looking up for him. Will he be the WWE champion someday? Should he? I'm not sure. Maybe the higher-ups see him as a Jake Roberts for this generation: can feud with everyone up and down the card, but he's not THE guy. I don't know.
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Post by The neferious brotha Hargrove on Jul 21, 2015 15:06:19 GMT -5
Owens is defiantly not buried
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 21, 2015 15:18:55 GMT -5
Oh, let me get this straight. I do NOT think that Bray Wyatt was buried. Buried is a poor word choice that a lot of people use incorrectly. I'm just saying that Bray Wyatt came out of that Cena feud looking far worse than when he went it. It didn't help him at all. That's more the fault of creative than Cena, but it still remains the case. Still not seeing how he looks worse. He lost to THE top guy and is still in the mix with guys a notch below Cena, and EVERYONE is at least a notch below him. There is nothing more high profile than feuding with Cena in WWE. Should he have won the feud with Cena? Then run over the rest of babyface roster? Win the WWE title? Otherwise it's all a waste and he should have never been brought up from NXT? You may not be a fan of the quality of the feuds, I know I haven't always, but he's still in a very prominent spot. And it seems that the Wyatt Family is being put back together. That's when Bray was at his best, so things may be looking up for him. Will he be the WWE champion someday? Should he? I'm not sure. Maybe the higher-ups see him as a Jake Roberts for this generation: can feud with everyone up and down the card, but he's not THE guy. I don't know. Because he looked AWFUL in the feud with Cena. He lost the big match at Mania, then won in the absolute worst possible fashion at Extreme Rules, before losing again at Payback. It's fine if the good guy has to prevail in the feud, but he should have looked far better. He went from guy who pinned Daniel Bryan clean to guy who is kind of just there. If you honestly think that Bray Wyatt is in a better position right now than he was in early 2014, then you are seeing things very differently than most.
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Post by ohernan6 on Jul 21, 2015 15:22:58 GMT -5
I understand where the OP is coming from. Maybe "burried" is not the right term, but Owens has felt like a main-eventer for months now — something WWE usually has to put a lot of work and time to accomplish. But history has shown us that the WWE is totally going to screw that up and end end up have him slip between their fingertips into the mid-card.
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Post by jakksking1 on Jul 21, 2015 15:24:34 GMT -5
You know what worries me about last night. Kevin Owens wasn't featured after a major story line featuring Cena. He was, however, trying to help out stopping the Undertaker/Lesnar fight. Because that fits his character, stopping fights and listening to authority figures. You've just come off one of the biggest feuds of the summer and this is all we have for you on a 3 hour 15 minute show.
You might not like the term burial, and it might not be that extreme, but Wyatt was losing left and right after he was done with Cena and wasn't given the main event feud most thought he would get. From Mania to Mania, he didn't have a lot of fire under him. Rusev went from being a monster unbeatable heel to making out with Summer Rae on Raw. Wade Barett, yeah Wade Barret, enough said. Burial, maybe no, but they sure have no plan for Cenas counterparts after a feud.
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Post by bigraj on Jul 21, 2015 15:29:39 GMT -5
Still not seeing how he looks worse. He lost to THE top guy and is still in the mix with guys a notch below Cena, and EVERYONE is at least a notch below him. There is nothing more high profile than feuding with Cena in WWE. Should he have won the feud with Cena? Then run over the rest of babyface roster? Win the WWE title? Otherwise it's all a waste and he should have never been brought up from NXT? You may not be a fan of the quality of the feuds, I know I haven't always, but he's still in a very prominent spot. And it seems that the Wyatt Family is being put back together. That's when Bray was at his best, so things may be looking up for him. Will he be the WWE champion someday? Should he? I'm not sure. Maybe the higher-ups see him as a Jake Roberts for this generation: can feud with everyone up and down the card, but he's not THE guy. I don't know. Because he looked AWFUL in the feud with Cena. He lost the big match at Mania, then won in the absolute worst possible fashion at Extreme Rules, before losing again at Payback. It's fine if the good guy has to prevail in the feud, but he should have looked far better. He went from guy who pinned Daniel Bryan clean to guy who is kind of just there. If you honestly think that Bray Wyatt is in a better position right now than he was in early 2014, then you are seeing things very differently than most. Never said he was in a "better" position. My point was that there is no "better" position once you're done feuding with the tippy-top guy, unless you're the replacement for that tippy-top guy. He's pretty much in the same position he was in before the Cena feud: fighting with main eventers. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Post by ohernan6 on Jul 21, 2015 15:30:47 GMT -5
You know what worries me about last night. Kevin Owens wasn't featured after a major story line featuring Cena. He was, however, trying to help out stopping the Undertaker/Lesnar fight. Because that fits his character, stopping fights and listening to authority figures. You've just come off one of the biggest feuds of the summer and this is all we have for you on a 3 hour 15 minute show. You might not like the term burial, and it might not be that extreme, but Wyatt was losing left and right after he was done with Cena and wasn't given the main event feud most thought he would get. From Mania to Mania, he didn't have a lot of fire under him. Rusev went from being a monster unbeatable heel to making out with Summer Rae on Raw. Wade Barett, yeah Wade Barret, enough said. Burial, maybe no, but they sure have no plan for Cenas counterparts after a feud. THIS!!!
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