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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jul 21, 2015 0:05:04 GMT -5
So, it looks like Cena is done with Kevin Owens and will be moving on. I mean, I guess it makes sense - Owens got the typical treatment that literally every heel gets when they face Cena: win one match, lose two. And by the time the feud is over nobody even remembers the one win the guy had over Cena because it's so meaningless.
My question is this: what was the point in even calling Kevin Owens up from NXT? Were they that desperate to find someone new to feed to Cena that they just decided to mortgage the future? The easy answer is yes considering we've seen this exact same thing done a hundred times before. But if Owens, Zayn, Bàlor and Itami really are Hunter's pet projects that he sees as the future and wants to protect, then why would he allow Owens to already become nothing more than a footnote in the book of Cena burials? I know Vince has final say over everything, but you'd think Triple H could've easily persuaded him that Owens wasn't ready for that sort of treatment if he had to.
None of it makes any sense whatsoever, but then again none of Cena's burials do. I know it's silly to even still question or get mad over this stuff, but it's a reminder that every time it looks like this company is taking one step forward, they take two steps backwards.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 21, 2015 0:13:21 GMT -5
He had a win over Cena. Where did he get buried? Heel beats Face.... Face over comes odds and beats heel. End of story. He still has a fight with Balor for his rematch clause. Zayne will still get a rematch. He still has a match with Joe to get to: Honestly, WWE knows these guys are needed in NXT to keep that boat sailing. Once Owens, Zayne, Balor, and Itami leave for the main roster, NXT won't be worth a .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 0:55:49 GMT -5
Thought this was about cena getting ready to take the belt off Rollins and bury him.. yep its coming
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jul 21, 2015 1:02:44 GMT -5
He had a win over Cena. Where did he get buried? Heel beats Face.... Face over comes odds and beats heel. End of story. He still has a fight with Balor for his rematch clause. Zayne will still get a rematch. He still has a match with Joe to get to: Honestly, WWE knows these guys are needed in NXT to keep that boat sailing. Once Owens, Zayne, Balor, and Itami leave for the main roster, NXT won't be worth a . So by that logic, no heels ever win any feuds? Getting one win and then losing twice cleanly makes the one win he had over Cena meaningless. And you sort of made my point. Why rush those guys out of NXT if you have no other plans for them other than to feed them to Cena?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 21, 2015 1:06:29 GMT -5
I don't technically think that Cena buries anyone, but more so the writers and Vince McMahon do. Cena just happens to be 'the guy' that is in the position to do the burying because Vince says so.
Cena vs. Rollins at SummerSlam for the WWE Title is a much better match for Cena than Cena vs. Owens again.
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Post by YES! YES! YES! on Jul 21, 2015 1:08:12 GMT -5
Owens looked like a million bucks in the matches.
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Post by Rob on Jul 21, 2015 1:56:40 GMT -5
Same old typical Cena bullcrap. The day this guy retires is the day i might become a WWE fan again. And the fact that he is starting to get back into the main event scene makes me sick to my stomach. He needs to stay in the mid card and just be a Randy Orton type guy from this point on. Nobody wants to see this ing guy in main events anymore. He is already a 15 time WWE champion, seriously, Cool it the out. Let some other guys have have a chance at the spotlight for a ing change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 2:37:45 GMT -5
I honestly think if you guys don't want to see the top babyface/face of the company win matches then you should just stop watching. It's always been that way, and having him "win" feuds is the only way to ensure the future of the company by keeping him legit.
You don't go to the cinema and then complain that the good guy always wins in the end.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 21, 2015 5:15:53 GMT -5
I honestly think if you guys don't want to see the top babyface/face of the company win matches then you should just stop watching. It's always been that way, and having him "win" feuds is the only way to ensure the future of the company by keeping him legit. You don't go to the cinema and then complain that the good guy always wins in the end. You do when it's Captain America Civil War or Batman vs Superman. Wrestling isn't cinema. If you believe it is, it's more like 4 to 5 movies happening at once. Not every movie is a blockbuster. And the Cena films are horrible and Hollywood (ie WWE) needs to stop making them. No one wants to see Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern or Ben Afflrck as Daredevil. So Hollywood stopped. They placed them in a role more suited for their talents. But they at least have them a chance. Here , Cena is being shoved down our throats in bad movies after bad movies and we arenforced to watch in order to see the other feuds.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 21, 2015 5:16:58 GMT -5
Owens looked like a million bucks in the matches. And looks like a punk after. All bark no bite.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 6:41:42 GMT -5
I honestly think if you guys don't want to see the top babyface/face of the company win matches then you should just stop watching. It's always been that way, and having him "win" feuds is the only way to ensure the future of the company by keeping him legit. You don't go to the cinema and then complain that the good guy always wins in the end. You do when it's Captain America Civil War or Batman vs Superman. Wrestling isn't cinema. If you believe it is, it's more like 4 to 5 movies happening at once. Not every movie is a blockbuster. And the Cena films are horrible and Hollywood (ie WWE) needs to stop making them. No one wants to see Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern or Ben Afflrck as Daredevil. So Hollywood stopped. They placed them in a role more suited for their talents. But they at least have them a chance. Here , Cena is being shoved down our throats in bad movies after bad movies and we arenforced to watch in order to see the other feuds. Wrestling is comprised of fictional storylines the same as any move or TV show. People have an innate desire for the good guy to win in the end, because that's the society we live in. Wrestling has always been heroes vs villains, and the heroes nearly always prevail in the end. This is why the face of the company is always a babyface, and why Bruno enjoyed such lengthy title reigns. Heels are foils to faces. Always have been, always will be. Hogan vs. Andre. Rock vs. Hogan. Austin vs. Vince. Bret vs. Yokozuna. etc etc. People still want to see Cena and still want to see Cena win because money talks. Cena is still consistently drawing crowds and selling more merch than anyone else. You can flap your gums about how much you don't like him, but you're the vocal minority. This is pro wrestling. If you don't like it, then it isn't for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 7:09:09 GMT -5
My question is the same as it was with Wyatt and Rusev when Cena was done with them...
What now?
We've seen Owens kick out of multiple AAs from Cena in their trilogy of matches so where does he go from here? Does he just start losing Big Show on Raw after 5 knockout punches? Does he go on to defeat guys on Raw weekly which leads to nothing because he couldn't get it done with Cena?
WWE has this problem and it's almost...almost as stale as Cena himself. You build someone up and then tear them down knowing that there are no immediate plans for the future of their character.
What have Wyatt and Rusev done since losing their feuds to Cena? I assume Owens will be in the same boat. The character development on the main roster is a total mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 7:49:54 GMT -5
If anyone other than a mod had made this thread, why do I feel everyone would've jumped down their throat?
Back on topic-
I seriously believe that Owens wasn't buried. Wrestlers have to eat a certain amount of sh** when starting out in WWE. Yes, it's different in NXT because there isn't anyone to bury anyone.
Everyone starts out in the same spot with the rare exception of your Zayns, Owens, Balors, etc who have built up an amazing career outside of Vincent's empire.
Owens isn't buried. I'm sure that there is a game plan for the two straight losses to Cena. Cena never had to agree that Owens kick out of his finisher. Let alone a finisher from the top rope.
The fact of the matter is John Cena is the be all end all right now. For all we know, they're setting up someone like Owens to be the next guy. This very well could be wrong and it wouldn't surprise me.
Owens looked strong in defeat and BattleGround was the one time he left the ring without any post match altercation with Cena after losing.
Just give it time. I understand we want so much RIGHT NOW. But the fact of the matter is is patience is key. I fully believe big things are in store Kevin. Just wait and I'm sure we'll be happy in the end.
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Post by PJ on Jul 21, 2015 7:54:48 GMT -5
Why is it if anyone loses to Cena they are burried? The way I see it is they were just put on the radar. Not everyone watches ROH, NXT or the Indies to know these guys. Now they were in high profile matches showcasing their talent. And now it is up to their talent to keep it going. If they have the talent they will keep it going. If not then they don't deserve to be there. Seth is champion and Wyatt is one of their top heels. Rusev failed because he doesn't have any mic skills at all. (and his ring attire didn't help him either) As for Owens he has impressed me much more than I thought he would and if he lives up to half the hype you all put on him he should succeed.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jul 21, 2015 8:23:57 GMT -5
I was really frustrated when John Cena came out last night. Why does he need to be in the WWE World Title picture when he's still the U.S Champion?
If he was just moving on, he should have done the favors for Kevin Owens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 8:27:23 GMT -5
I haven't finished watching Raw yet so I'm unaware about Cena being back in the world title picture.
If true, then there is no excuse why he didn't drop the U.S. Title to Owens.
Cena being back in the world title picture sounds awful.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 21, 2015 8:30:50 GMT -5
You do when it's Captain America Civil War or Batman vs Superman. Wrestling isn't cinema. If you believe it is, it's more like 4 to 5 movies happening at once. Not every movie is a blockbuster. And the Cena films are horrible and Hollywood (ie WWE) needs to stop making them. No one wants to see Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern or Ben Afflrck as Daredevil. So Hollywood stopped. They placed them in a role more suited for their talents. But they at least have them a chance. Here , Cena is being shoved down our throats in bad movies after bad movies and we arenforced to watch in order to see the other feuds. Wrestling is comprised of fictional storylines the same as any move or TV show. People have an innate desire for the good guy to win in the end, because that's the society we live in. Wrestling has always been heroes vs villains, and the heroes nearly always prevail in the end. This is why the face of the company is always a babyface, and why Bruno enjoyed such lengthy title reigns. Heels are foils to faces. Always have been, always will be. Hogan vs. Andre. Rock vs. Hogan. Austin vs. Vince. Bret vs. Yokozuna. etc etc. People still want to see Cena and still want to see Cena win because money talks. Cena is still consistently drawing crowds and selling more merch than anyone else. You can flap your gums about how much you don't like him, but you're the vocal minority. This is pro wrestling. If you don't like it, then it isn't for you. I hate using this as evidence, but the dirtsheets reported that Cena's merchandise dipped after his loss to Owens. So, Kevin Dunn went and axed the program. If true, it's kind of hard to not sell more merchandise than anyone else. I get what you're saying. I really do. However, your analysis misses something. It's boring when Superman beats up common thugs. It's great when he takes on Doomsday, Lex Luthor, Brainiac, etc. Same goes for when Batman beats up Joker. You'd be bored to tears if every issue he went up against Steve Jomblowski and Arthur Pettingil, 7-11 Robbers. Many fans were hoping Owens would be the Doomsday to Cena's Superman. Yes, Superman triumphs over Doomsday, but at least Doomsday ended Superman. The feud took the talent that is OWens, the fan support he has/had, and decided, meh, forget about it. He's more a Jomblowski than a Doomsday. that's the issue with these feuds with Cena. They toss the villain to Cena and then its over after 3 matches. If no one can beat the top name except other top names, then we need to create a top name. It starts with showing that Cena is vulnerable, and him smiling like a goof a day after a supposed battle that took everything he got diminishes everything. I remember hearing a story of when Nash faced Backlund in that 18 second title match. Nash said Backlund made him a legit star that day because Backlund didn't get up right after and looked fine. He literally crawled his way back to the lockeroom with help. DDP said in a match with Savage that he almost broke one of the rules of wrestling. After being concussed by an interfering Scott Hall, and pinned by Savage, DDP just kind of sat up after the match because he had forgotten where he was. Savage and Hall were livid because they felt that move made the match meaningless and ended the suspension of disbelief. Cena can have amazing matches with Neville, Owens, Zayn, Batista, Brock Lesnar, etc., but the next day it looks like he spent time at a day spa. That is how you bury someone. It makes the villain look weak, and the babyface look unbeatable. That's not storytelling. If you can't believe for one minute that Cena can lose, why tune in? here, I would wager that many wrestling fans tune in because they are praying that Cena is going to lose, but still believe otherwise. I knew it from day 1. The minute Owens defeated Cena, it was Rusev II. the stories are always the same with him.
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Post by Planktung on Jul 21, 2015 8:34:00 GMT -5
That's not what "buried" means, nor has it ever been the case 90% of the time people throw that word around.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 21, 2015 8:43:18 GMT -5
Uh yeah, Batman is the number one selling comic book in the world, not Superman. Our society stopped eating our vitamins in the 90s. The only person who seemingly doesn't understand that is Vince McMahon.
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Post by MacReady on Jul 21, 2015 8:44:08 GMT -5
Was it stupid to NOT let Owens win if Cena is indeed going back to the World Title picture? Sure. But I would argue Owens is FAR from buried, he'll be fine.
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