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Post by IRS on May 26, 2016 0:06:59 GMT -5
I'm all for a gay character or characters if they want to introduce them. However, turning Captain America gay is just stupid. Surely marvel won't even consider it. It's because of Bucky and Cap's relationship in Civil War.. Which is very sad when you think about the actual issue here.. People can't separate a close friendship from a romantic relationship.. You can't have men have close men friends anymore, because that's gay. That's the part that gets my blood boiling about this issue. It isn't that people would like a gay character, it's that people think that because Bucky and Cap are really close friends, that they're somehow homosexuals. That's how confused our society has become.. That's how disconnected people have become with other people.. That's the sad part. I blame the internet. ... I'm only half joking.
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Post by The American Daydream on May 26, 2016 0:21:08 GMT -5
The only one that I could honestly not care any less about is Doctor Strange. If that movie got scrapped it wouldnt phase me. I don't see him fitting in with the tone and mood of the Avengers or GOTG and thats just his personality and chracteristics that I'm talking about, won't even go into the time, magic and other nonsense. Other than him, I'm excited for the line up. Captain America was the best Marvel film to date hands down. Such a phenomenal movie from start to finish. Im stoked for Ragnarok because Hulk is my favorite and the movie is set around complete destruction so they go hand in hand. Haven't seen the new Xmen yet but when is Xmen ever not good? Im actually really hoping to see Falcon in the next Ant-Man movie, I dont know how one can NOT like Paul Rudd. He's ing hilarious. Perfect person for a solo Marvel movie about a character nobody gave a crap about until it came out and was a success. That guy is the most sarcastic person alive and only could I hope to one day be at that level.
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Post by Word™ on May 26, 2016 1:00:42 GMT -5
It's because of Bucky and Cap's relationship in Civil War.. Which is very sad when you think about the actual issue here.. People can't separate a close friendship from a romantic relationship.. You can't have men have close men friends anymore, because that's gay. That's the part that gets my blood boiling about this issue. It isn't that people would like a gay character, it's that people think that because Bucky and Cap are really close friends, that they're somehow homosexuals. That's how confused our society has become.. That's how disconnected people have become with other people.. That's the sad part. I blame the internet. ... I'm only half joking. You're not wrong though.. People don't know that feeling of connecting anymore personally, face to face. So seeing that or experiencing that gives them unfamiliar feelings and it becomes a confusion. And for some odd reason feelings of confusion automatically get placed into a sexual category. It makes ZERO sense. Technology is incredible. But it has done damage for sure.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 3:27:17 GMT -5
I miss the days of mateship. Pity there's no Captain Australia...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 6:21:34 GMT -5
I blame the internet. ... I'm only half joking. You're not wrong though.. People don't know that feeling of connecting anymore personally, face to face. So seeing that or experiencing that gives them unfamiliar feelings and it becomes a confusion. And for some odd reason feelings of confusion automatically get placed into a sexual category. It makes ZERO sense. Technology is incredible. But it has done damage for sure. I agree with this post and your previous one. People have become extremely disconnected.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 7:45:28 GMT -5
All this does is remind me of Banky and Hooper from Chasing Amy arguing about Archie and Jughead.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 14:56:23 GMT -5
Watched Civil War again last night. I believe it's possible I liked it even more second time around. Cinema was nearly empty though - but that's fine, more for me, eh?
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Post by Cameron Stone on May 27, 2016 23:42:41 GMT -5
X-Men Apocalypse: 7/10: Very Minor Spoilers
Good but not great. Not deserving of some of the scathing reviews it's getting, but overall it's a very average movie, and feels like it will be pretty forgettable. Better than X3, but not as good as the first two or as First Class or Days of Future Past. In that way, it's a bit of a disappointment, closing out this new trilogy on such an average note. Unlike Civil War, you feel the long runtime in this film. It's long, and somehow manages to be both overstuffed and under filled at the same time. Apocalypse himself isn't very intriguing or impressive, and is rather lame even. His horsemen, besides Magneto fail even worse, as they aren't developed at all, instead being in the film for long, uninteresting recruitment sequences at the beginning of the film that are never really expanded upon. They're pretty much only in the movie to be there for the big action sequence, which is a shame. This feels like a film that almost needed to be split into two.
Onto the good, the fight scenes are pretty well done, though nothing quite grabs you like the climax in either of the previous two films did. The Quicksilver scene was really impressive and possibly is the standout sequence of the entire film. The new cast are all generally good, especially the actors playing Jean, Scott Summers and Nightcrawler. They make me feel optimistic about the next installment of the franchise. We've got a good core in place.
Perhaps the biggest issue with the entire film I had was the Alkali Lake sequence. It's 20-25 minutes that was absolutely pointless, failed to serve the narrative in any way, and was there only as forced in fan service. Seeing Wolverine slice and dice some people up was fun, but if you cut out this sequence entirely, literally nothing would affect the main narrative at all, making it entirely pointless and just filler. The time spent on this detour would have been much better served to develop the Horsemen more and to flesh out Apocalypse. I also take minor issue because this scene:
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Has Wolverine right out of Weapon X escaping, so he had no memories or anything. As sad as it is to say, next year's Wolverine 3 is the last film for Hugh Jackman in the role, as he and Fox have both confirmed. If this scenario HAD to be shoehorned into the movie, it would have served as a great launching pad to recast the part of Wolverine. That way, audiences would get to see the new Wolverine from the beginning of his journey. It may not have made total sense since he was Jackman in DOFP, but half the events of that film are kind of ignored here anyways. This way we'd get the see the new Wolverine pop in, eviserate a bunch of people and be a badass, maybe winning over some of the fans who will no doubt be opposed to the eventual recasting. And if the scene had been kept a surprise and not ruined in the trailer, you also would have had the benefit of the newly chosen actor not having to face the online backlast at the announcement of the recasting it would have been a surprise. Overall, this scene was both pointless AND a huge missed opportunity.
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Overall the film is overlong, and quite slow to start, only really picking up with a brilliant scene with Magneto in the forest. But it is competently directed, and is still a fun film. It just fails to live up to the high standard the last couple of films have set. If you enjoyed the last two movies, you will surely enjoy this one. But the next film will need to bring forth a stronger effort.
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Post by TheLastDude on May 27, 2016 23:44:39 GMT -5
The more I read about this Hydra twist bullcrap with Cap, the more irritated I'm getting with it: www.yahoo.com/news/marvel-editor-explains-captain-america-120025758.htmlI'll save you the read. This article that explains everything doesn't actually explain anything. In fact, that was a LOT of words that said absolutely NOTHING! I'm sure this is what Simon and Kirby had in mind all along though! Basically what I get out of this is that Nick Spencer failed at politics so he's getting everyone back by making Cap a Nazi. Gotta make your mark somehow right?
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Post by TheLastDude on May 27, 2016 23:49:24 GMT -5
In that way, it's a bit of a disappointment, closing out this new trilogy on such an average note. Funny how both X-trilogies turned out that way. The first movies were good, the second ones were even better and arguably the best in both trilogies, and then the third ones...just fizzle out.
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Post by Cameron Stone on May 28, 2016 0:16:11 GMT -5
In that way, it's a bit of a disappointment, closing out this new trilogy on such an average note. Funny how both X-trilogies turned out that way. The first movies were good, the second ones were even better and arguably the best in both trilogies, and then the third ones...just fizzle out. Yeah. Last Stand was staight up bad. This one isn't but it isn't overly great either. Theres a joke in the film where someone says a line that's pretty much knocking X3 and in hindsight it's kind of amusing that this movie of all films made that joke.
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Post by Word™ on May 28, 2016 1:20:08 GMT -5
The more I read about this Hydra twist bullcrap with Cap, the more irritated I'm getting with it: www.yahoo.com/news/marvel-editor-explains-captain-america-120025758.htmlI'll save you the read. This article that explains everything doesn't actually explain anything. In fact, that was a LOT of words that said absolutely NOTHING! I'm sure this is what Simon and Kirby had in mind all along though! Basically what I get out of this is that Nick Spencer failed at politics so he's getting everyone back by making Cap a Nazi. Gotta make your mark somehow right? This isn't going over well with anyone.. No one is okay with it.. And I wonder if he'll keep his job. Like even Chris Evans is unhappy about it.
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Post by Cameron Stone on May 28, 2016 1:50:54 GMT -5
People need to ing chill and see where it goes. Most of the people that are bitching about it probably read about it online and are the people who have never gone and purchased a comic in their lives. I'm a huge Cap fan. I'm open to it, and interested to see where it goes. I'll give it a chance. People are way too quick to judge
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 3:49:10 GMT -5
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Post by Robert69 on May 28, 2016 4:11:47 GMT -5
People will always have and state their own opinions. Frustratingly, the right to do so is a founding principle along the lines of what I posted on the ML thread. All I will add to what you saw me say over there is that I really hope if they have the nerve to do this in the first place, that they see it through and don't have some lame ass retcon down the road. I'm not happy, but I am curious to see how it plays out.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 4:33:25 GMT -5
People will always have and state their own opinions. Frustratingly, the right to do so is a founding principle along the lines of what I posted on the ML thread. All I will add to what you saw me say over there is that I really hope if they have the nerve to do this in the first place, that they see it through and don't have some lame ass retcon down the road. I'm not happy, but I am curious to see how it plays out. I recognise and respect that as well...as I said in the ML thread too it seems to be the quick-bolt answer from others, which essentially downplays the arc itself. At least we can always have these memories of Cap that they CANNOT retcon: Edit: On an unrelated note, I forgot to mention I watched X-Men: Apocalypse. I wasn't really enamoured with it...it was rather mediocre, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 9:36:05 GMT -5
I walked out of Xmen to go cuddle.
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Post by TheLastDude on May 28, 2016 15:30:44 GMT -5
People need to ing chill and see where it goes. Most of the people that are bitching about it probably read about it online and are the people who have never gone and purchased a comic in their lives. I'm a huge Cap fan. I'm open to it, and interested to see where it goes. I'll give it a chance. People are way too quick to judge Who cares where it goes? Seriously? Either it sticks and some nobody who wanted to make a name for himself bastardizes an icon...or they do what they always do when they realize almost everyone hates something and say it was Cap from another dimension, or a clone, or brainwashing, or it was Bucky, or a Skrull, or some other nonsense to get themselves out of the corner they painted themselves into. This is a no-win situation and how they didn't see that from the beginning is ing mind boggling. You can be open all you want, but I for one am getting sick and tired of people telling me what's right is wrong and what's wrong is right. This is why we're in the shape we're in. Because people AREN'T getting pissed about crap like this.
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Post by Cameron Stone on May 28, 2016 15:46:56 GMT -5
People need to ing chill and see where it goes. Most of the people that are bitching about it probably read about it online and are the people who have never gone and purchased a comic in their lives. I'm a huge Cap fan. I'm open to it, and interested to see where it goes. I'll give it a chance. People are way too quick to judge Who cares where it goes? Seriously? Either it sticks and some nobody who wanted to make a name for himself bastardizes an icon...or they do what they always do when they realize almost everyone hates something and say it was Cap from another dimension, or a clone, or brainwashing, or it was Bucky, or a Skrull, or some other nonsense to get themselves out of the corner they painted themselves into. This is a no-win situation and how they didn't see that from the beginning is ing mind boggling. You can be open all you want, but I for one am getting sick and tired of people telling me what's right is wrong and what's wrong is right. This is why we're in the shape we're in. Because people AREN'T getting pissed about crap like this. Maybe Hydra is going to reinvented to fit in with modern times more, and maybe their goals and ideologies are going to be more in line with how Cap thinks. I just don't see the point in ripping something until it's been given a chance. Otherwise we may as well cancel the comics, because theres not a lot of new ground to cover, and telling the exact same stories over and over is pointless. This new agw of internet and social media leads to too many people jumping on bandwagons and crucifying things they don't like instantly. Look at the reaction to Batfleck casting, and then how good he ended up being. The way the world and people are heading now makes me wonder if an actual apocalyptic event wou;d be a bad thing. Humanity needs a good culling.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 18:04:11 GMT -5
Who cares where it goes? Seriously? Either it sticks and some nobody who wanted to make a name for himself bastardizes an icon...or they do what they always do when they realize almost everyone hates something and say it was Cap from another dimension, or a clone, or brainwashing, or it was Bucky, or a Skrull, or some other nonsense to get themselves out of the corner they painted themselves into. This is a no-win situation and how they didn't see that from the beginning is ing mind boggling. You can be open all you want, but I for one am getting sick and tired of people telling me what's right is wrong and what's wrong is right. This is why we're in the shape we're in. Because people AREN'T getting pissed about crap like this. Maybe Hydra is going to reinvented to fit in with modern times more, and maybe their goals and ideologies are going to be more in line with how Cap thinks. I just don't see the point in ripping something until it's been given a chance. Otherwise we may as well cancel the comics, because theres not a lot of new ground to cover, and telling the exact same stories over and over is pointless. This new agw of internet and social media leads to too many people jumping on bandwagons and crucifying things they don't like instantly. Look at the reaction to Batfleck casting, and then how good he ended up being. The way the world and people are heading now makes me wonder if an actual apocalyptic event wou;d be a bad thing. Humanity needs a good culling. Sorry - I had to.
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