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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 1, 2015 8:13:41 GMT -5
Oh go cry about this sh*t on the Classics board where the rest of the 80s fans who can't move on with their lives are pissing and moaning about how wrestling just isn't the same as when they were 10. Until they successfully invent a time machine, I genuinely don't give a flying how a current top guy would have faired in any other generation. Like we haven't seen this thread a thousand times about Shawn Michaels too, who is unequivocally the GOAT. You want to have some real fun? How would a guy like Hogan or Andre have faired in 2015? Not very well, given they had original Nintendo movesets and we stopped taking vitamins 25 years ago. We get it, you don't like Seth Rollins. Sorry you have sh*tty taste in pro wrestlers. But just like shag carpet, bowl cuts, and slap bracelets, you'll get over it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 8:28:01 GMT -5
I don't know but I love to watch him wrestle and White Ranger Seth is easily the best thing in wrestling today other than Bork smash
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Oct 1, 2015 14:52:31 GMT -5
Oh go cry about this sh*t on the Classics board where the rest of the 80s fans who can't move on with their lives are pissing and moaning about how wrestling just isn't the same as when they were 10. Until they successfully invent a time machine, I genuinely don't give a flying how a current top guy would have faired in any other generation. Like we haven't seen this thread a thousand times about Shawn Michaels too, who is unequivocally the GOAT. You want to have some real fun? How would a guy like Hogan or Andre have faired in 2015? Not very well, given they had original Nintendo movesets and we stopped taking vitamins 25 years ago. We get it, you don't like Seth Rollins. Sorry you have sh*tty taste in pro wrestlers. But just like shag carpet, bowl cuts, and slap bracelets, you'll get over it. Thanks for the dumbest reply to the thread! I'm guessing you got genuinely offended by the topic at hand. Scroll through, plenty of people agreed with my sentiments and some didn't. Almost everyone had fun with it and made an educated hypothesis. All in the name of fun, I guess hypothetical threads bother you. Let me never discuss Bird vs LeBron in your presence. Oh and I don't have any taste in wrestlers, I'm here for entertainers first and foremost and your boy Seth is a poor promo guy and overall crappy little actor.That Hulk Hogan guy sucks though lol, the same one who had people caring for over 20 years. You little ROHBOT fans who worship workrate are delusional, guys like John Cena will always be on top, like it or not. One last thing pal, pm me in a few years and let me know what kind of draw Seth has become. I'm sure business will be booming, just like it is now. Middle America has always paid to see greasy little spot monkeys.
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Post by Mox on Oct 1, 2015 15:02:58 GMT -5
He would have been Tatanka minus the gim. Great wrestler, probably way over, but never allowed to reach the top.
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Post by AmericanMadeLesGold on Oct 1, 2015 15:04:16 GMT -5
Seems hard to say, he wrestles at a much faster pace then they did in the 80's. I think at the very least he could have elevated his opponents while putting them over.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 2, 2015 2:28:44 GMT -5
Hogan Era: tag team staple, or singles jobber
New Generation: upper Mid Card. Similar arc to Shawn.. maybe feud with Bret; no title.
AE: Fringe Main event. European or IC title.
RA: first 2/3 of era a solid mid card hand.. later fringe Main Event.
Edit: there is kind of an unfair implication of threads like this to me.. it sort of implies that Seth wouldn't be "good enough" for prior eras.. but what is good enough now isn't necessarily what it took to be good enough then and the guys that were good enough then wouldn't necessarily be good enough now. Given the different set of attributes and things fans value. If Hogan started in 2012 people would never root for him like they did then.. and before we draw the Cena comparison, despite not being a huge Cena fan he could out promo and out work Hogan all day long. Bryan would have rocked in New Generation but he'd job squad in AE... different skills shine in different eras, but there is some crossover.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Oct 2, 2015 8:42:19 GMT -5
Hogan Era: tag team staple, or singles jobber New Generation: upper Mid Card. Similar arc to Shawn.. maybe feud with Bret; no title. AE: Fringe Main event. European or IC title. RA: first 2/3 of era a solid mid card hand.. later fringe Main Event. Edit: there is kind of an unfair implication of threads like this to me.. it sort of implies that Seth wouldn't be "good enough" for prior eras.. but what is good enough now isn't necessarily what it took to be good enough then and the guys that were good enough then wouldn't necessarily be good enough now. Given the different set of attributes and things fans value. If Hogan started in 2012 people would never root for him like they did then.. and before we draw the Cena comparison, despite not being a huge Cena fan he could out promo and out work Hogan all day long. Bryan would have rocked in New Generation but he'd job squad in AE... different skills shine in different eras, but there is some crossover. Cena could out work Hogan yes, but out promo him? I think Cena is a B+ promo and I'm a big fan, Hogan in any incarnation was an A+ guy. Again, I'm a fan of both. Hogan got over for 25 years and gimmicks mimicking his schtick get over to this day. I agree that different eras value different things, with the exception of Mic skills which is universal. Guys like Piper could get away with putting out any ring product, because he was a promo God. Ringwork honestly only makes or breaks people with the IWC imo. Mic skills, character, and storytelling still are what draws middle America. I'd rather watch a first rate promo guy over a Seth Rollins or Finn Valor any day.
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Post by Y2 F'n J on Oct 2, 2015 9:02:29 GMT -5
I think Seth in the Attitude era would be sort of like Jericho or Billy Gunn. He'll be a frequent face in the Intercontinental title division who occasionally crosses paths with the big stars, but never truly becomes a main event face (unless he's still in WWE in the next few eras like Jericho)
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Post by tg11 on Oct 2, 2015 10:25:38 GMT -5
Hogan Era (early 80s to early 90s)- Seth Rollins would be a midcarder
New Generation (early 90s to mid 90s)- Seth Rollins would be an upper midcarder not main event but he would be able to mix it up with the likes of Bret, Shawn, Razor, Diesel, Owen, Yoko, Bulldog, Lex, etc.
Attitude Era (mid 90s to early 2000s)- Seth Rollins would be an upper midcarder fringe main event
Ruthless Aggression Era (mid 2000s to late 2000s)- Seth Rollins would be a main event guy like he is right now
Reality Era (early 2010s to present)- Seth Rollins main event guy
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 2, 2015 12:50:28 GMT -5
Hogan Era: tag team staple, or singles jobber New Generation: upper Mid Card. Similar arc to Shawn.. maybe feud with Bret; no title. AE: Fringe Main event. European or IC title. RA: first 2/3 of era a solid mid card hand.. later fringe Main Event. Edit: there is kind of an unfair implication of threads like this to me.. it sort of implies that Seth wouldn't be "good enough" for prior eras.. but what is good enough now isn't necessarily what it took to be good enough then and the guys that were good enough then wouldn't necessarily be good enough now. Given the different set of attributes and things fans value. If Hogan started in 2012 people would never root for him like they did then.. and before we draw the Cena comparison, despite not being a huge Cena fan he could out promo and out work Hogan all day long. Bryan would have rocked in New Generation but he'd job squad in AE... different skills shine in different eras, but there is some crossover. Cena could out work Hogan yes, but out promo him? I think Cena is a B+ promo and I'm a big fan, Hogan in any incarnation was an A+ guy. Again, I'm a fan of both. Hogan got over for 25 years and gimmicks mimicking his schtick get over to this day. I agree that different eras value different things, with the exception of Mic skills which is universal. Guys like Piper could get away with putting out any ring product, because he was a promo God. Ringwork honestly only makes or breaks people with the IWC imo. Mic skills, character, and storytelling still are what draws middle America. I'd rather watch a first rate promo guy over a Seth Rollins or Finn Valor any day. Mic skills aren't totally universal to me, honestly. Some guys like Piper or Jake Roberts would translate or adapt, but I don't think Hogan would (overall). I don't think most guys who did your typical 80's style, stereotypical yelling promo would be able to hang. Cena is a much better actor than Hogan to me, and has the ability to actually come across as a human. We have changed in what we want as a society (largely) in terms of acting quality. Pretty much outside of trying to recapture nostalgia (like The Expendables) the 80's style action movie of a nearly emotionless indestructible murder-machine has nearly died out. And I totally give credit to Hogan for being relevant the whole time, but realistically it was mostly due to nostalgia (outside of his initial NWO run)... I really doubt if he came in fresh with the exact same stuff in 2012 he'd have gotten over. To me Hogan can be a lot of fun, but I don't think hes a very good actor.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Oct 2, 2015 18:35:18 GMT -5
Cena could out work Hogan yes, but out promo him? I think Cena is a B+ promo and I'm a big fan, Hogan in any incarnation was an A+ guy. Again, I'm a fan of both. Hogan got over for 25 years and gimmicks mimicking his schtick get over to this day. I agree that different eras value different things, with the exception of Mic skills which is universal. Guys like Piper could get away with putting out any ring product, because he was a promo God. Ringwork honestly only makes or breaks people with the IWC imo. Mic skills, character, and storytelling still are what draws middle America. I'd rather watch a first rate promo guy over a Seth Rollins or Finn Valor any day. Mic skills aren't totally universal to me, honestly. Some guys like Piper or Jake Roberts would translate or adapt, but I don't think Hogan would (overall). I don't think most guys who did your typical 80's style, stereotypical yelling promo would be able to hang. Cena is a much better actor than Hogan to me, and has the ability to actually come across as a human. We have changed in what we want as a society (largely) in terms of acting quality. Pretty much outside of trying to recapture nostalgia (like The Expendables) the 80's style action movie of a nearly emotionless indestructible murder-machine has nearly died out. And I totally give credit to Hogan for being relevant the whole time, but realistically it was mostly due to nostalgia (outside of his initial NWO run)... I really doubt if he came in fresh with the exact same stuff in 2012 he'd have gotten over. To me Hogan can be a lot of fun, but I don't think hes a very good actor. I guess we see Hogan quite differently, he's said and done some things on the Mic etc. that to me were tremendous. The promos on Savage and Orndorff after they turned on him had pathos and real fire. His Egotistical self serving promos in the NWO were world's above any heel promo we see today. That's just a few, his "I hope your a good loser brother" line to warrior at wm6 was awesome. He put things into words/verbage much better and more creative than Cena. You mention Cena sounding more human, it's pro wrestling though, which is Just a large comic book. Maybe that's why I don't enjoy the product today, more realistic but less flash. I came for the Hollywood aspect of wrestling, and these guys today just come off as average people. No Randy Savage out there, just a lot of generic wrestlers.
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