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Post by Sonnen on Oct 10, 2015 0:22:52 GMT -5
A heel gets heat, she gets a baby face pop, so no.
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Post by Rob on Oct 10, 2015 0:38:42 GMT -5
Kevin Owens should have cried and hugged Cena after beating him clean in his first match on the main roster, If that is what is takes to be considered a top heel.
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Post by Lk™ on Oct 10, 2015 1:14:26 GMT -5
heels are way too likable these days and they're typically "indy darlings". That's why i believe a person like roman reigns could be the best heel possible for the company because people WANT to hate him
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Post by King Silva on Oct 10, 2015 3:19:19 GMT -5
I would rank the top heels as this:
1} Seth Rollins 2} Kevin Owens 3} Sasha Banks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 3:28:06 GMT -5
Reigns would be a monster heel.
The he'd get "cool" and people would start cheering him. It's a conundrum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 4:46:14 GMT -5
In WWE? Couldn't fathom a guess....doesn't matter regardless...
In pro wrestling? IMO, Silas Young.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Oct 10, 2015 4:56:21 GMT -5
No. Everyone loves her. People nowadays seem to forget that a good heel is HATED by EVERYONE. Obviously I get what you're saying and in the case that “everyone likes her” I did kind flip flop on the “likability” issue. I do think that because times have changed and the climate for heels and the heat they can get/keep is different. I don't think it's as simple as a heel is hated by everyone and a babyface is loved by everyone. It's not as black and white as it used to be. Also, the issue of heat, wasn't really my main point... it was more in the grand scheme of her abilities and techniques. Her approach and overall commitment make her heel abilities one of the “best.” (although others have made good points that post match she does basically break character and almost create mini face turns for herself) Best Heels So Far are Kevin Owens Seth Rollins The Miz Sheamus Eva MarieRusev The New Day To be fair, Eva gets heat but isn't really a good heel. She just gets booed because of how bad she is and the way she came in. She doesn't really work as a good heel. Thanks for mentioning this Kev... I don't buy this whole she's a great heel because people hate her... her being hated has nothing to do with her skill set (in regards to anything she intentionally does). Being hated alone doesn't automatically make you a good heel. Yeah, it's probably a solid indicator, but not proof. If they intentionally turn her heel and she embraces it—then she can be legitimately in the running for me. Kevin Owens should have cried and hugged Cena after beating him clean in his first match on the main roster, If that is what is takes to be considered a top heel. I would defiantly concede that that's a point against her, but I think you're taking a simplistic look at it. She does a ton of stuff that make her a good heel. I love Sasha. But one heelish act , preceded and followed by tons of OOC smiling, crying and emotions on TV does not make you the best heel in the company. Sorry. Let's be fair here... she has done more than one heelish act.. sure making Izzy cry is a centerpiece, but she does ton's of devious things in the ring that are watermarks for good heels and illustrate good “heel psychology” which is why I pose the question.. is she the "best"? No? That's ok.. I'm not even really sure I feel 100% on it. I think I could have presented my thoughts and the points I wanted to make a little better... I was more concerned with the skills that are associated with what makes one a good heel... she possesses and executes more than most.. even if she is well liked and doesn't consistently garner the heat of a "top heel" my point was more "best" in terms of skill being used. I kind of derailed my own issue a bit by bringing up likability of others for comparison.. I was trying to be brief. My bad
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 5:23:13 GMT -5
Best Heels So Far are Kevin Owens Seth Rollins The Miz Sheamus Eva Marie Rusev The New Day To be fair, Eva gets heat but isn't really a good heel. She just gets booed because of how bad she is and the way she came in. She doesn't really work as a good heel. It's better to get a Reaction from the Crowd then no reaction at all.All Eva has to do is cut that one promo to really stick it to the crowd and would solidify where she stands.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 10, 2015 7:13:25 GMT -5
To be fair, Eva gets heat but isn't really a good heel. She just gets booed because of how bad she is and the way she came in. She doesn't really work as a good heel. It's better to get a Reaction from the Crowd then no reaction at all.All Eva has to do is cut that one promo to really stick it to the crowd and would solidify where she stands. It takes more than one promo to make someone a great heel. She gets "go away" heat. It's nice to get a reaction obviously, but to be a good heel you actually have to earn your heat, which Eva hasn't done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 7:20:19 GMT -5
Good heel? Yeah. Best heel? I'd say that's KO. Best heel in NXT? Maybe behind Breeze but that's about it.
The problem with heels is, as it has been mentioned, every gets cheered because they're well liked. You have to base it on how they act or how commentary reacts to them if you want to be able to tell if they're a heel or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 10:13:09 GMT -5
Eva doesn't get "heel" heat. She gets " off" heat.
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Post by Kanenite on Oct 10, 2015 11:31:50 GMT -5
She's a damn good heel but she cracks every once in a while.
Crying before she faced Bayley at Takeover: Brooklyn, hugging all the divas after the two big matches against Bayley etc. It can easily be ignored because it's such a special moment, but Kevin Owens wouldn't do that.
So with that said Kevin Owens is the most "heelish" Heel today IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2015 14:34:11 GMT -5
It's better to get a Reaction from the Crowd then no reaction at all.All Eva has to do is cut that one promo to really stick it to the crowd and would solidify where she stands. It takes more than one promo to make someone a great heel. She gets "go away" heat. It's nice to get a reaction obviously, but to be a good heel you actually have to earn your heat, which Eva hasn't done. Regardless if its go away heat or not the girl still gets a loud crowd reaction when she comes out that 95% of the divas can't do so she's doing something right.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 10, 2015 14:46:37 GMT -5
It takes more than one promo to make someone a great heel. She gets "go away" heat. It's nice to get a reaction obviously, but to be a good heel you actually have to earn your heat, which Eva hasn't done. Regardless if its go away heat or not the girl still gets a loud crowd reaction when she comes out that 95% of the divas can't do so she's doing something right. Again, nobody is denying that she is getting heat. Good for her. However, just getting heat for existing doesn't make someone a good heel.
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Post by Jaz on Oct 10, 2015 15:05:40 GMT -5
You could probably say that she's one of the best heels on NXT, but she hasn't done anything on the main roster to make me think that yet.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Oct 10, 2015 18:30:55 GMT -5
I think the only problem is the way she breaks character after matches. The hugs with Charlotte and Bayley as well as the whole deal Wednesday.
This were all great moments that I enjoyed, but it's hard to say they don't take away from the heel persona.
That said, she's amazing at everything she does. she's a great worker and an amazing story teller in the ring and on the mic. She's one of the best in WWE.
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Post by The Yes Man on Oct 10, 2015 18:56:03 GMT -5
I would feel bad if I didn't take the time to point out that Baron Corbin is a PHENOMENAL heel.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 10, 2015 18:58:47 GMT -5
Sasha's not only the best "heel" in WWE but she's also the best "character." There's a flip that switches when she walks through that curtain and she BECOMES Sasha Banks. She walks like Sasha, talks like Sasha, reacts like Sasha every moment of television time she gets. That's what makes her so good.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 10, 2015 19:00:05 GMT -5
Sheamus is the closest thing to a real heel. Please. Sheamus gets booed because he's boring people to tears and because he legitimately does look stupid.
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