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Post by grandmasterPRA on Oct 13, 2015 11:59:00 GMT -5
So After seeing John Cena go over Dolph Ziggler cleanly last night, I decided to go back and look at this "run" that John Cena has been on ever since Wrestlemania. Keep in Mind this is only 7 months which means about 35 shows or so. Here is the list of Opponent that John Cena has beaten since then:
Rusev (4 Times) Dean Ambrose Stardust Bad New Barrett (2 Times) Cesaro (2 Times) Tyson Kidd Kane (2 Times) Sami Zayn Zack Ryder Kevin Owens (3 Times) Sheamus (2 Times) Seth Rollins (6 Times!!!!!) Big E (2 Times) Kofi Kingston Big Show Dolph Ziggler
I believe he has only been pinned twice in this time. Once to Owens, Once to Rollins with help from Stewart. So Who Does that leave for him to squash?
P.S SURPRISE SURPRISE, Roman Reigns has conveniently avoided this list.....
I can't wait for Balor, Joe, Breeze and more to come to RAW. They will be honored to do the same as all the men before them. I don't mind though at least Cena is the World Heav.....oh wait he's the US Champ? Hmmmmmm nevermind.
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Post by J12 on Oct 13, 2015 12:06:37 GMT -5
It's an interesting dynamic.
Cena has had the best in-ring year of his career, and it even dates back to 2014. His contributions, from a wrestling perspective, have been nothing short of extraordinary over the last 18-20 months or so.
It's also been his worst time period in terms of acting as a detriment to the future of the company. I don't blame him for that, of course, I blame WWE, but it's interesting nonetheless. I do think you're being a bit unfair with a lot of those names. Many of those guys were actually elevated by facing Cena just once in the US Open Challenge (Sami Zayn, for example.) And some of them have/had nothing going for them anyway. There are four names that stand out, though, and it's not good.
Bray Wyatt Rusev Kevin Owens Seth Rollins
Have all had their trajectories severely impacted negatively by working long-term programs with John Cena. In some cases, it was all out burial. In others, it's a calculated effort to define down these competitors to remind us all that they are secondary to John Cena. In the latter three's case, they all got victories over Cena in the early stages of the feud, only to lose to Cena so many times in the aftermath that we forget the original win ever happened.
I know Cena has political pull. We know that he's influenced decisions negatively before (he single handedly ended Wade Barrett's career, for all intents and purposes), but I have a hard time believing this is all on him. He's a company guy, and he's doing what he's told by the almighty Vince McMahon, and, well, we all know how things are going with him at the helm.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 13, 2015 12:09:40 GMT -5
He hasn't squashed anyone.
That being said, the feud with Rusev killed Rusev. You don't just lose a feud with Cena. You get obliterated. The string of matches with Seth has been so harmful to the WWE Champion. He just loses to Cena over and over and over and over and over again. Kevin Owens should have won the US Title and been a made man after beating Cena.
Other than that, I don't think this has really hurt anyone. The problem is that there doesn't really seem to be an endgame. I thought Owens or Rollins was the endgame but nope. It's like WWE doesn't know how to end the open challenges and its just going to be an endless string of Cena beating midcarders after they kick out of his finisher.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 12:13:31 GMT -5
Cena is wicked awesome in my opinion. I like him a lot. He's good on the stick and has sick moves. Plus he's jacked and looks like an action figure. And he wins all of the time.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Oct 13, 2015 12:14:56 GMT -5
I Don't put ANY of this on John Cena himself. This is purely the WWE's fault and truly believe that they are straight up trying to TROLL the entire IWC. Seriously. John Cena has put on some really good matches lately, but it annoys the crap out of me because they give him time to and nobody else. This company is loaded with wrestlers that can put on epic matches and yet when was the last time you remember any epic long matches on RAW or PPV that didn't involve Cena. We get it, he isn't bad in the ring. Stop trying to put him over as this unbeatable "Big Match John" because it's just insulting at this point. And the way they have treated people like Owens, Rollins, Wyatt, Rusev and Cesaro is beyond criminal. They always like to ride their high horse all the time about how the WCW failed because they didn't build young talent, and yet what exactly are they doing? The same crap. NXT should not be outperforming this main roster right now. NXT creates new stars weekly it seems, yet all the main roster does is kill any momentum of anyone that gets in the way of John Cena. I've never seen anything like it...
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Post by attitudesback on Oct 13, 2015 12:16:46 GMT -5
He hasn't squashed anyone. That being said, the feud with Rusev killed Rusev. You don't just lose a feud with Cena. You get obliterated. The string of matches with Seth has been so harmful to the WWE Champion. He just loses to Cena over and over and over and over and over again. Kevin Owens should have won the US Title and been a made man after beating Cena. Other than that, I don't think this has really hurt anyone. The problem is that there doesn't really seem to be an endgame. I thought Owens or Rollins was the endgame but nope. It's like WWE doesn't know how to end the open challenges and its just going to be an endless string of Cena beating midcarders after they kick out of his finisher. Don't even get me started on Rollins. Guy is booked as a face coward, yet he managed to really give it to Cena at SummerSlam. If he was the architect who always found a way out, that's fair. He's just a loser who will probably drop the title to a 48 year old who's character hasn't been interesting since he buried the Undertaker for WM 20. But yeah, OP, Cena hasn't buried anyone. A loss doesn't = a burial. I think Rusev was severely hurt after their feud that was way too long, Owens seems to be doing fine with the Intercontinental Championship. Dolph's match on Raw was brilliant and made Ziggler look brilliant. He took Cena to his absolute limit. That is far from a burial. The open challenge is pretty good, Cena puts on some great matches with all the mid carders featured and I'm silently hoping Reigns walks away with the title before Cena takes his time off.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Oct 13, 2015 12:22:31 GMT -5
He hasn't squashed anyone. That being said, the feud with Rusev killed Rusev. You don't just lose a feud with Cena. You get obliterated. The string of matches with Seth has been so harmful to the WWE Champion. He just loses to Cena over and over and over and over and over again. Kevin Owens should have won the US Title and been a made man after beating Cena. Other than that, I don't think this has really hurt anyone. The problem is that there doesn't really seem to be an endgame. I thought Owens or Rollins was the endgame but nope. It's like WWE doesn't know how to end the open challenges and its just going to be an endless string of Cena beating midcarders after they kick out of his finisher. Don't even get me started on Rollins. Guy is booked as a face coward, yet he managed to really give it to Cena at SummerSlam. If he was the architect who always found a way out, that's fair. He's just a loser who will probably drop the title to a 48 year old who's character hasn't been interesting since he buried the Undertaker for WM 20. But yeah, OP, Cena hasn't buried anyone. A loss doesn't = a burial. I think Rusev was severely hurt after their feud that was way too long, Owens seems to be doing fine with the Intercontinental Championship. Dolph's match on Raw was brilliant and made Ziggler look brilliant. He took Cena to his absolute limit. That is far from a burial. The open challenge is pretty good, Cena puts on some great matches with all the mid carders featured and I'm silently hoping Reigns walks away with the title before Cena takes his time off. I'm sorry, but that match didn't do ANYTHING for Dolph. First of all, Cena got up from Dolph's finisher as if it never even happened to him. Made Dolph look weak. Second of all do you know what Dolph Ziggler's all time record is against John Cena? I'll give you a second to guess.......3-18. Yea, pathetic. So basically Cena has been beating the crap out of him his entire career. How does ALMOST beating John Cena do anything for him at this point? You know it's not going anywhere as long as Cena is around.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Oct 13, 2015 12:33:22 GMT -5
Career Records against John Cena:
Dolph Ziggler: 3-18 Cesaro: 1-13 Bray Wyatt: 3-14 Seth Rollins: 6-25
These are four up and coming "stars" and look at that. If those stats aren't the definition of squash then I don't know what is.
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Post by attitudesback on Oct 13, 2015 13:00:30 GMT -5
Don't even get me started on Rollins. Guy is booked as a face coward, yet he managed to really give it to Cena at SummerSlam. If he was the architect who always found a way out, that's fair. He's just a loser who will probably drop the title to a 48 year old who's character hasn't been interesting since he buried the Undertaker for WM 20. But yeah, OP, Cena hasn't buried anyone. A loss doesn't = a burial. I think Rusev was severely hurt after their feud that was way too long, Owens seems to be doing fine with the Intercontinental Championship. Dolph's match on Raw was brilliant and made Ziggler look brilliant. He took Cena to his absolute limit. That is far from a burial. The open challenge is pretty good, Cena puts on some great matches with all the mid carders featured and I'm silently hoping Reigns walks away with the title before Cena takes his time off. I'm sorry, but that match didn't do ANYTHING for Dolph. First of all, Cena got up from Dolph's finisher as if it never even happened to him. Made Dolph look weak. Second of all do you know what Dolph Ziggler's all time record is against John Cena? I'll give you a second to guess.......3-18. Yea, pathetic. So basically Cena has been beating the crap out of him his entire career. How does ALMOST beating John Cena do anything for him at this point? You know it's not going anywhere as long as Cena is around. I get you must be the Anti-Cena that was cool in 2008, but Cena is a 15X world champion. To take Cena that far, to the point after the pin he was dead on the mat, is pretty good. Not many, if any, have done that in the Open Challenge so far. Rollins is something like 1-15 since September, yet he still took it to Cena and beat him at SummerSlam. When it matters, he puts in a good performance. And when it mattered last night, Ziggler put on a great performance that could lead to a US title win in the near future.
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Post by cmiller79 on Oct 13, 2015 13:11:39 GMT -5
Recently john cena has been putting on some of the best matches of his career
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Post by Valbroski on Oct 13, 2015 13:12:31 GMT -5
why isn't Nikki Bella at the top?
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Oct 13, 2015 13:16:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but that match didn't do ANYTHING for Dolph. First of all, Cena got up from Dolph's finisher as if it never even happened to him. Made Dolph look weak. Second of all do you know what Dolph Ziggler's all time record is against John Cena? I'll give you a second to guess.......3-18. Yea, pathetic. So basically Cena has been beating the crap out of him his entire career. How does ALMOST beating John Cena do anything for him at this point? You know it's not going anywhere as long as Cena is around. I get you must be the Anti-Cena that was cool in 2008, but Cena is a 15X world champion. To take Cena that far, to the point after the pin he was dead on the mat, is pretty good. Not many, if any, have done that in the Open Challenge so far. Rollins is something like 1-15 since September, yet he still took it to Cena and beat him at SummerSlam. When it matters, he puts in a good performance. And when it mattered last night, Ziggler put on a great performance that could lead to a US title win in the near future. Normally I would agree with you that taking Cena to the limit is a good thing. But I don't think it is anymore. Cena is ALWAYS taken to the limit but wins his matches anyways. Eventually somebody has to actually beat him. And the only reason he is being taken that far is because the WWE is determined to make him "Big Match John". 15x champion means nothing to me, it is one of the most tainted eras in wrestling history because Cena is the first wrestler to ever be the face of the company while getting booed the entire time. it's not like the fans wanted him to be a 15x champion. The company just told us to deal with it. Every wrestler eventually gives back to the rest of the roster. Nobody has ever "won" a feud with John Cena,.and it hold people down. Wouldn't you want several top threats who could win any given night? instead of knowing Cena is never going to lose cleanly? it takes all of the suspense out of the matches. I can't fully get into the Ziggler and Cena match be a use I already know the outcome.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Oct 13, 2015 13:19:36 GMT -5
Recently john cena has been putting on some of the best matches of his career Because he is the only wrestler that has been given time to. Everyone else gets 5-8 minute matches. Give Kevin Owens or Cesaro 20 minutes every night like Cena and they would do the same thing. Props to Cena for his hard work, but he provides nothing that someone else could provide if given the opportunity....where is Seth Rollins 20 minute matches? too busy losing to Kane
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Oct 13, 2015 13:21:00 GMT -5
Cena's out there having great matches and getting underutilized stars great exposure. Whatever happens after that final bell rings is on WWE's hands. Cena cant say he didn't do his part.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 16:48:11 GMT -5
Career Records against John Cena: Dolph Ziggler: 3-18 Cesaro: 1-13 Bray Wyatt: 3-14 Seth Rollins: 6-25 These are four up and coming "stars" and look at that. If those stats aren't the definition of squash then I don't know what is. I had no idea it was that bad! Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2015 16:59:40 GMT -5
I bet you're fun at parties.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2015 1:30:28 GMT -5
...you could always watch wrestling instead of sports entertainment to avoid this...
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Post by RV F'N D on Oct 14, 2015 8:34:37 GMT -5
Career Records against John Cena: Dolph Ziggler: 3-18 Cesaro: 1-13 Bray Wyatt: 3-14 Seth Rollins: 6-25 These are four up and coming "stars" and look at that. If those stats aren't the definition of squash then I don't know what is. That's pretty awful. And they say just working with him at all is supposed to elevate these guys lol
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Oct 14, 2015 9:01:23 GMT -5
Career Records against John Cena: Dolph Ziggler: 3-18 Cesaro: 1-13 Bray Wyatt: 3-14 Seth Rollins: 6-25 These are four up and coming "stars" and look at that. If those stats aren't the definition of squash then I don't know what is. Cesaro hasn't beaten Cena ever.
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Post by k5 on Oct 14, 2015 11:12:23 GMT -5
i feel worse for that dead horse john cena has been beating for the last decade.
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