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Post by Revy on Nov 7, 2015 16:03:42 GMT -5
Many say Austin's heel turn was a failure and I understand that, however, I think had Triple H not gotten hurt and had they delayed the invasion angle, I think Austin would have succeeded as a heel. I liked his ruthless character right after Mania. His assault on JR, him and HHH brutalizing the Hardys and Lita with chairs. Had he gotten the chance to continue this character, it would have worked I believe.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 7, 2015 17:37:44 GMT -5
Many say Austin's heel turn was a failure and I understand that, however, I think had Triple H not gotten hurt and had they delayed the invasion angle, I think Austin would have succeeded as a heel. I liked his ruthless character right after Mania. His assault on JR, him and HHH brutalizing the Hardys and Lita with chairs. Had he gotten the chance to continue this character, it would have worked I believe. I usually consider the whole alliance between Triple H and Steve Austin the payoff we never got to see. Where can I begin about April to July 2001. Easily one of my favorite time periods in wrestling history. The PPV's were extremely good. The 2001 King of the Rung, holy mother of ****, that event is must-see. While it was the end of the Monday Night War, the product felt must-see. We normally see a dry period after WrestleMania, it was non-existent in 2001. The WWF really did a damn good job highlighting the first half of 2001 on the WWF Action DVD. April to July of 2001 gets overlooked primarily because it was the end of the MNW and the ratings began to decline. The WWF was running on a full deck of cards. Just look at the roster they had. If the WWE uploaded all of the RAW and SmackDown's from 2001, that would be awesome. I have more to say but I'll save it for another reply.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 17:57:34 GMT -5
Many say Austin's heel turn was a failure and I understand that, however, I think had Triple H not gotten hurt and had they delayed the invasion angle, I think Austin would have succeeded as a heel. I liked his ruthless character right after Mania. His assault on JR, him and HHH brutalizing the Hardys and Lita with chairs. Had he gotten the chance to continue this character, it would have worked I believe. Imo it's failure had nothing to do with HHHs absence. People didn't want it and it was rejected..... Because it was total rubbish.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 7, 2015 18:58:30 GMT -5
Many say Austin's heel turn was a failure and I understand that, however, I think had Triple H not gotten hurt and had they delayed the invasion angle, I think Austin would have succeeded as a heel. I liked his ruthless character right after Mania. His assault on JR, him and HHH brutalizing the Hardys and Lita with chairs. Had he gotten the chance to continue this character, it would have worked I believe. Imo it's failure had nothing to do with HHHs absence. People didn't want it and it was rejected..... Because it was total rubbish. Every hero expect Cena turns bad and to be truthful looking back Austin's heel turn was a breath of fresh air. Though having said that I hated it at the time because I was an 11 year who hero had turned to the dark side.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 7, 2015 19:00:27 GMT -5
To the OP, the DDP build up did suck. It didn't fit his character at all and by the end of it he was relegated to a jobber.
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Post by Revy on Nov 7, 2015 19:41:05 GMT -5
Many say Austin's heel turn was a failure and I understand that, however, I think had Triple H not gotten hurt and had they delayed the invasion angle, I think Austin would have succeeded as a heel. I liked his ruthless character right after Mania. His assault on JR, him and HHH brutalizing the Hardys and Lita with chairs. Had he gotten the chance to continue this character, it would have worked I believe. Imo it's failure had nothing to do with HHHs absence. People didn't want it and it was rejected..... Because it was total rubbish. You're right in that people didn't want it, I think I just hate how they took it to the comical stuff and him hugging Vince all the time. They were trying too hard to get people to boo him when all they had to do was get him to do heelish things.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 6:28:26 GMT -5
Imo it's failure had nothing to do with HHHs absence. People didn't want it and it was rejected..... Because it was total rubbish. Every hero expect Cena turns bad and to be truthful looking back Austin's heel turn was a breath of fresh air. Though having said that I hated it at the time because I was an 11 year who hero had turned to the dark side. Honestly man? Looking back its as rubbish now as it was then. Thankfully Austin has seen this too and publicly acknowledges the entire summer of 2001 was a huge mistake on his part because we all know he could have stopped this dross in its tracks. Austin turning didn't suit his character.....he is quite u7nique that way. Sting was similar in WCW-his turn in 99 was roundly rejected too. In ring? He was on fire but he allowed the character that saved WWF to be mutilated. They still had options for a face Austin to feud with(freshly turned Kane,UT or Angle). If Austin felt like a change? he could have went back to the aggressive loner of 1997....this could have facilitated his coming to the rescue during the Invasion too. The people spoke with their remote controls......they tuned out in droves because this Austin was not what they wanted to see. The ratings confirm the fact that people were NOT tired of Austin despite what some will continue to tell you. As some of you guys have said? The in ring product was solid as hell and the midcard/upper midcard was brilliant....but the top programs are what drives the show and Austin's turn was just utter crap and roundly rejected.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 6:38:55 GMT -5
Imo it's failure had nothing to do with HHHs absence. People didn't want it and it was rejected..... Because it was total rubbish. You're right in that people didn't want it, I think I just hate how they took it to the comical stuff and him hugging Vince all the time. They were trying too hard to get people to boo him when all they had to do was get him to do heelish things. You see.....that in itself was gonna be a problem with the Austin character because folks were already accustomed to him(and other faces) attacking faces. When Austin & HHH destroyed the Hardys it wasn't received the way they had intended. HHH was also a guy who wasn't all that unpopular with fans. He got heaps of cheers vs Austin & Undertaker in February & WM17. Vince missed a trick in 2001 and should have used this opportunity to restore Kane. A fully blown heel Kane(whos momentum was STRONG) should have been the guy to attack and maul Rock and put him on the shelf. Maybe Kane & UT going heel should have been the 2 man power trip? a couple of convincing beatdowns and their magic was restored.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 8, 2015 9:05:29 GMT -5
You're right in that people didn't want it, I think I just hate how they took it to the comical stuff and him hugging Vince all the time. They were trying too hard to get people to boo him when all they had to do was get him to do heelish things. You see.....that in itself was gonna be a problem with the Austin character because folks were already accustomed to him(and other faces) attacking faces. When Austin & HHH destroyed the Hardys it wasn't received the way they had intended. HHH was also a guy who wasn't all that unpopular with fans. He got heaps of cheers vs Austin & Undertaker in February & WM17. Vince missed a trick in 2001 and should have used this opportunity to restore Kane. A fully blown heel Kane(whos momentum was STRONG) should have been the guy to attack and maul Rock and put him on the shelf. Maybe Kane & UT going heel should have been the 2 man power trip?
a couple of convincing beatdowns and their magic was restored. That would've been beyond awesome. Kane and Taker never teamed together as heels so they would've been a monsterous tag team who could not be stopped. They could've went through the entire roster and destroyed everybody.
However with the invasion around the corner it would've been short lived because I would've hated to see them join.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Nov 8, 2015 10:48:33 GMT -5
This would be the beginning of the end for me unfortunately. I watched off/on until Backlash came to KC and then I was done. 12/13 year old had other stuff going on.
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Post by k5 on Nov 8, 2015 13:29:00 GMT -5
i feel that the big reason it gets overlooked is because it was the first era where there were no 'super faces'. taker and kane? popular sure, but nowhere near face austin or rock, or bret and hbk before them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 14:31:43 GMT -5
You see.....that in itself was gonna be a problem with the Austin character because folks were already accustomed to him(and other faces) attacking faces. When Austin & HHH destroyed the Hardys it wasn't received the way they had intended. HHH was also a guy who wasn't all that unpopular with fans. He got heaps of cheers vs Austin & Undertaker in February & WM17. Vince missed a trick in 2001 and should have used this opportunity to restore Kane. A fully blown heel Kane(whos momentum was STRONG) should have been the guy to attack and maul Rock and put him on the shelf. Maybe Kane & UT going heel should have been the 2 man power trip?
a couple of convincing beatdowns and their magic was restored. That would've been beyond awesome. Kane and Taker never teamed together as heels so they would've been a monsterous tag team who could not be stopped. They could've went through the entire roster and destroyed everybody.
However with the invasion around the corner it would've been short lived because I would've hated to see them join.
Vince totally squandered the momentum of Kane in 2001......He could have had his next super heel right there....
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 8, 2015 14:38:52 GMT -5
I thought Austin and Hunter burying everybody was horrible, but that's just me.
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Post by Evil Abed on Nov 8, 2015 16:22:36 GMT -5
I really didn't like the coward Austin heel gimmick, if they made him an absolute monster it would have worked better. Too many times was he hugging people and having backstage segments about Debra's cookies. However like The Kevstaaa said the stuff Benoit, Angle and Jericho were putting on was the highlight of early-mid 2001 of WWF Programming. These guys were putting on awesome matches every night with Edge/Christian, Austin, Regal, etc... Kane was killing it too, shame I always felt Judgment Day 2001 should have been Austin vs. Kane for the WWF Title and not Taker.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 8, 2015 17:24:56 GMT -5
That would've been beyond awesome. Kane and Taker never teamed together as heels so they would've been a monsterous tag team who could not be stopped. They could've went through the entire roster and destroyed everybody.
However with the invasion around the corner it would've been short lived because I would've hated to see them join.
Vince totally squandered the momentum of Kane in 2001......He could have had his next super heel right there.... Exactly and also in 2002/2003. Kane was super over then and could've been the face of Raw during his feud with Evolution but once he lost to HHH and then unmasked that was the end.
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