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Post by Parchandri on Nov 23, 2015 16:47:47 GMT -5
You need to read Karl Marx's The Communist Manifesto, seriously. What's it about? Essentially it's about how the working majority serve those who control production, who also are the minority. It also talks about revolution and what not--which may or may not be pertinent to your ideologies. Also read Charles Bukowski. He's a brilliant writer and shares the same sentiment as you. In fact, here's a quote from Bukowski: "The nine-to-five is one of the greatest atrocities sprung upon mankind. You give your life away to a function that doesn't interest you."
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 23, 2015 17:02:39 GMT -5
Essentially it's about how the working majority serve those who control production, who also are the minority. It also talks about revolution and what not--which may or may not be pertinent to your ideologies. Also read Charles Bukowski. He's a brilliant writer and shares the same sentiment as you. In fact, here's a quote from Bukowski: "The nine-to-five is one of the greatest atrocities sprung upon mankind. You give your life away to a function that doesn't interest you." Wow, those sound very interesting indeed, I shall look them out. Thanks!
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Post by Jack Specific on Nov 23, 2015 17:20:20 GMT -5
For most of us, if not all of us, it's not a choice, it's a necessity. It's not even about liking or hating a job. Some of us have Mortgages, Bills. Car Payments, Eating, kids, Pets and so on. Some of us also enjoy the freedom of being able to buy the latest wrestling figure or maybe buying a new TV. If some of you like the freedom of doing nothing because you can, say by the means of Mommy & Daddy, Welfare, Lottery Winnings, Inheritance or whatever then I say go for it. All the power to ya! Many of us just never have had those choices and never will. Personally I never had those choices but maybe just maybe if I did I would but I can tell you I would have never been married, never had kids, never had a great job that I have now, never would be typing on this computer right now, there would never be a wrestlingfigs and we would not be having this conversation today. I am so thankful, thankful every day I wake up in the morning to have a steady income, great bosses, and being able to pay my bills and provide for my family.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 17:23:12 GMT -5
I've been working since I was 15. I don't enjoy it all that much, but I have too really. I might be finally taking a break to finish school soon..or at least working less. I'm just ready to go out and find a real job already.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 23, 2015 17:39:42 GMT -5
For most of us, if not all of us, it's not a choice, it's a necessity. It's not even about liking or hating a job. Some of us have Mortgages, Bills. Car Payments, Eating, kids, Pets and so on. Some of us also enjoy the freedom of being able to buy the latest wrestling figure or maybe buying a new TV. If some of you like the freedom of doing nothing because you can, say by the means of Mommy & Daddy, Welfare, Lottery Winnings, Inheritance or whatever then I say go for it. All the power to ya! Many of us just never have had those choices and never will. Personally I never had those choices but maybe just maybe if I did I would but I can tell you I would have never been married, never had kids, never had a great job that I have now, never would be typing on this computer right now, there would never be a wrestlingfigs and we would not be having this conversation today. I am so thankful, thankful every day I wake up in the morning to have a steady income, great bosses, and being able to pay my bills and provide for my family. Please dont encourage more people to get on Welfare. The last thing I want to do is support people through taxes while they sit their lazy asses at home.
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Post by Adam on Nov 23, 2015 19:00:19 GMT -5
Basically it comes to this. In most first world nations people work to live (non-Americans correct me if I'm wrong), in America we live to work.
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Post by Parchandri on Nov 23, 2015 20:26:48 GMT -5
I find it comical how people in this thread post why they work. Everyone knows why we work. What the original poster is getting at--and correct me if I'm wrong--is an existential crisis. It's the idea that the society and culture we live in have our paths mapped out for us: go to school, go to college, get a job, buy a house, have a family, etc. It's the idea that we have no choice, no control. It's regretful, for example, that we live in a society that scoffs at the idea of someone wanting to become an artist because it's not lucrative--unless the art is marketable in some fashion. Generally speaking, the only way anyone can be who they want to be is if they can make a decent living doing it or have enough money to allow them to do it. Otherwise you have to balance who you want to be with who you don't want be.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 23, 2015 22:00:59 GMT -5
I find it comical how people in this thread post why they work. Everyone knows why we work. What the original poster is getting at--and correct me if I'm wrong--is an existential crisis. It's the idea that the society and culture we live in have our paths mapped out for us: go to school, go to college, get a job, buy a house, have a family, etc. It's the idea that we have no choice, no control. It's regretful, for example, that we live in a society that scoffs at the idea of someone wanting to become an artist because it's not lucrative--unless the art is marketable in some fashion. Generally speaking, the only way anyone can be who they want to be is if they can make a decent living doing it or have enough money to allow them to do it. Otherwise you have to balance who you want to be with who you don't want be. You hit the nail on the head in so much fewer words than I did in the OP right there!
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 24, 2015 0:54:06 GMT -5
I had to work since I was 10 years old. There were no child labor laws?
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 24, 2015 2:49:34 GMT -5
I had to work since I was 10 years old. There were no child labor laws? he's OLD!
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Post by Jack Specific on Nov 24, 2015 9:19:04 GMT -5
I had to work since I was 10 years old. There were no child labor laws? No one gave a damn back then. A way different time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 17:25:13 GMT -5
Op, I understand where your coming from , and your living off your savings so who cares, your free to spend your money how you choose. It can be depressing knowing that your tied into the machine to pay for overpriced things like shelter, water, wood, etc
Your gonna have to come to terms with it though or come up with a new plan. A friend of mine moved somewhere tropical, I can't remember the name of the place for the life of me but he fishes and gathers his own food and water and lives off of about $20 a month. You don't have to be a part of the machine , there are options but you can't have the best of both worlds. Stay a part of the machine and enjoy technology and material items or live off the beaten path.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Nov 24, 2015 23:03:08 GMT -5
Yanno what pisses me off I spent 3 years getting my qualification to work this job and kids are working I super markets stacking shelves for more than what I'm on you could train a monkey to put bread on a shelf. Im beginning to hate my job. To the point that I'm thinking of quitting after Christmas I'm in the same boat as you mentally and physically Im worn out I want a change of joh but I just feel so down these days I haven't got the motivation to find something else he'll I haven't even got the mental energy to quit because of the stress that quitting would bring up.
I'm currently working a 12 hour night shift followed by training 11-2pm and another 12 hour night shift from 7:30pm - am by the time I get home I'm gonna be able to get 2 hours sleep and maybe 3 after training.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Nov 25, 2015 15:10:07 GMT -5
I got to thinking, with the extreme division between the posters in the thread, for the posters whom disagree with op, is there something that you would agree with that could change to make work better/easier for all of us (bring it more to bringing the individual back to the position, or bringing some off time freedoms to ease the work time, etc.), or rather moving life towards an utopia like the op suggests? Jack Specific Escape The Rules MrPerfect25 King Richius Old School CollectorFlair Forever Halloween King
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 4:29:27 GMT -5
You have no choice, we are all slaves in the capitalistic world government. Get over it.
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Post by Flair Forever on Nov 26, 2015 5:51:41 GMT -5
For most of us, if not all of us, it's not a choice, it's a necessity. It's not even about liking or hating a job. Some of us have Mortgages, Bills. Car Payments, Eating, kids, Pets and so on. Some of us also enjoy the freedom of being able to buy the latest wrestling figure or maybe buying a new TV. If some of you like the freedom of doing nothing because you can, say by the means of Mommy & Daddy, Welfare, Lottery Winnings, Inheritance or whatever then I say go for it. All the power to ya! Many of us just never have had those choices and never will. Personally I never had those choices but maybe just maybe if I did I would but I can tell you I would have never been married, never had kids, never had a great job that I have now, never would be typing on this computer right now, there would never be a wrestlingfigs and we would not be having this conversation today. I am so thankful, thankful every day I wake up in the morning to have a steady income, great bosses, and being able to pay my bills and provide for my family. You've stated it perfectly.... thank you. I got to thinking, with the extreme division between the posters in the thread, for the posters whom disagree with op, is there something that you would agree with that could change to make work better/easier for all of us (bring it more to bringing the individual back to the position, or bringing some off time freedoms to ease the work time, etc.), or rather moving life towards an utopia like the op suggests? Jack Specific Escape The Rules MrPerfect25 King Richius Old School CollectorFlair Forever Halloween KingI think the poster who said "find something you're passionate about, and you'll never work a day in your life" said it best... it's not about changing the system to suit you - it's about finding the right position that suits you. I don't love my job - and, to be honest, it's gotten exponentially more challenging & less rewarding each year for several years now. But I do enjoy being able to cover life's expenses - and have a little left over to support my various hobbies (mostly revolving around wrestling). Eventually, I'll need to change my situation..... for the time being, I'm comfortable. Sure, I'd rather stay home every day, but it's just not an option for me financially....
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 26, 2015 10:23:37 GMT -5
You have no choice, we are all slaves in the capitalistic world government. Get over it. Not necessarily. For some people, yes, but not everyone. You can always settle for a 9 to 5 life but the world's your oyster and there are far greater paths you can take in life if you're willing to put in the effort and truly go for it. Look at the people making thousands if not millions by doing what they love in life and posting it to YouTube as a prime example. "Get over it" is a lame attitude to have.
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Post by Jack Specific on Nov 26, 2015 10:31:28 GMT -5
You have no choice, we are all slaves in the capitalistic world government. Get over it. Everyone has a choice, but consequences come with that choice.
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Post by Halloween King on Nov 27, 2015 0:34:30 GMT -5
I work because I like my job. I love what I do, as part of my job I do things other people could only dream about. The benefits package is great, the pay is above great, it allows me to live with a nice degree of comfort. It wasnt always this good though. I worked some jobs where it wasnt as cushy but it helped build my resume which got other companys to look at my application. And the on the job learning just makes it easier to operate more smoothly when you finally do land a cushy job.
So yes a job does help pay your bills. A job puts nice clothes on your back. A job puts warm food on the table. A job helps pay medical bills should you ever get sick. A job will help you, when you become a father, to put your babys through school.
Really I think if anyone needs to have an explanation as to why we work, that person has some growing up to do.
Think of it this way, you like eating dont you? What do you expect to give the person in exchange for food? Why do you even think someone went through the trouble of preparing food for you?
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 27, 2015 0:44:06 GMT -5
A lot of people here seem to be saying "That's the way the world is and there is nothing we can do about it."
But, alas, we can change the world. We have let greed run rampant, so the money is congested with the chosen few while everyone else gets the shaft. Unions are weak or dead, worker's rights are going away, and we've let things get this way.
It does seem to be an American way of thinking that working hard is the most honorable thing you can do. But what if you're just working to make money for somebody who has money? What it you're just a slave to the grind?
There is an old song called "16 Tons" which sums up a lot of our economy today. "You load 16 tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt." Is this what we want the world to be?
If I had to work a job 9 to 5 I hated I think I would just kill myself. The "good" things in life aren't worth suffering 40+ hours a week. I'm surprised we don't have a lot more suicides in this ugly world. But I am a fairly negative guy.
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