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Post by ahunter8056 on Nov 27, 2015 6:01:27 GMT -5
Of pointless jobs? Door person is another one. Kitchen porter, dish washer. The world would hardly stop if these type of positions didn't exist. That's not a dig at anyone who does those jobs by the way. Although I know that you weren't criticising those that work these jobs, I just have to say that you are wrong. First of all, tiny nitpick, but dishwasher is a part of a kitchen porter's job, so no need to separate them. But the position of a kitchen porter is far from useless. If there were no kitchen porters, then there would be nobody washing plates, pots and pans. Chefs wouldn't have anything to cook in, no plates to serve food on, restaurants wouldn't be able to function, and the world needs restaurants. Although door person definitely is a pointless job.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Nov 27, 2015 10:25:31 GMT -5
I work because I like my job. I love what I do, as part of my job I do things other people could only dream about. The benefits package is great, the pay is above great, it allows me to live with a nice degree of comfort. It wasnt always this good though. I worked some jobs where it wasnt as cushy but it helped build my resume which got other companys to look at my application. And the on the job learning just makes it easier to operate more smoothly when you finally do land a cushy job. So yes a job does help pay your bills. A job puts nice clothes on your back. A job puts warm food on the table. A job helps pay medical bills should you ever get sick. A job will help you, when you become a father, to put your babys through school. Really I think if anyone needs to have an explanation as to why we work, that person has some growing up to do.Think of it this way, you like eating dont you? What do you expect to give the person in exchange for food? Why do you even think someone went through the trouble of preparing food for you? How many more people are going to completely miss my point? Jesus Christ I KNOW that people work for money! Read the last paragraph in the original post again. There are people starving in the world because they don't have money while there are others in the world with more money than they'll ever need, to me that's preposterous. And corrupt. Shouldn't being able to eat be a human right and not something you have to work, scratch, claw and slave for?
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Post by Sully© on Nov 27, 2015 10:53:13 GMT -5
I like nice things. Like food, a place to live, so I need to work. There's no other option for me unless I win the lottery.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Nov 27, 2015 11:08:49 GMT -5
I completely agree, I hate my job at the moment and it's making me question life a lot more and what I want out of it. I don't want to end up like all the older folk I see who have lived the 9-5 life because it's what your suppose to do only to grow old and look like your one stressful experience away from a heart attack.
I still want to earn money and have some kind of career but I want one I look forward to and enjoy. Unlike my brother who is very money driven and will work long hours at a corporate job so he can show off his earnings in various ways, I want my life to be dictated by happiness. I want to travel and see the world and that looks a lot like I'm going to have to go the cheap option a lot but I'd rather have the experience, live my life and die a poor man than spend my time behind a desk saving and die a rich man.
Happiness > money
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Nov 27, 2015 11:12:49 GMT -5
I don't work a 9 to 5, usually. Currently I work for a record store sorting through used records to sell. All while I still do my usual work of concert production. I work hours typically from 8am to 2am or so.
A lot of people work 9 to 5 for that idea of what a normal life is. Their partner often works the same time and if they have kids, as they get older, they have time to see them after work. I however want none of that, so I can take a job that allows me to be gone from March through July doing concerts. I'm 26, I decided on this career when I was 15, I was told by a lot of people the repercussions to it involving any idea of a "love life" but I never really wanted any of that then. Most of my friends are in long term committed relationships. I really just want to work enough to travel and exist how I want. We only live so long and the world is huge, why not just do it how you want?
To the guy arguing that the world can live without people who basically do odd jobs, I disagree entirely. People like me do the work people who work 9 to 5s don't want because they want to have fun after their 9 to 5. I've worked as a door man, do you know a door man(again for concerts) on any given night can be the difference between someone getting behind the wheel of a car drunk or not? People in certain positions exist for a lot of reasons. Does the world adjust? Sure. But the world would adjust if anything didn't exist. Someones 9 to 5 desk job may not be necessary, but they exist. Why does Kohl's need to be a store? It's awful, but it exists.
TL;DR: Nobody exists on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, everybody's gonna die. Come watch TV.
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Post by Halloween King on Nov 27, 2015 12:37:32 GMT -5
I work because I like my job. I love what I do, as part of my job I do things other people could only dream about. The benefits package is great, the pay is above great, it allows me to live with a nice degree of comfort. It wasnt always this good though. I worked some jobs where it wasnt as cushy but it helped build my resume which got other companys to look at my application. And the on the job learning just makes it easier to operate more smoothly when you finally do land a cushy job. So yes a job does help pay your bills. A job puts nice clothes on your back. A job puts warm food on the table. A job helps pay medical bills should you ever get sick. A job will help you, when you become a father, to put your babys through school. Really I think if anyone needs to have an explanation as to why we work, that person has some growing up to do.Think of it this way, you like eating dont you? What do you expect to give the person in exchange for food? Why do you even think someone went through the trouble of preparing food for you? How many more people are going to completely miss my point? Jesus Christ I KNOW that people work for money! Read the last paragraph in the original post again. There are people starving in the world because they don't have money while there are others in the world with more money than they'll ever need, to me that's preposterous. And corrupt. Shouldn't being able to eat be a human right and not something you have to work, scratch, claw and slave for? People who go hungry do so because they refuse to hunt or forage for food. You dont need money to find a fruit tree, you dont need money to fish, or to hunt a land animal. It sucks but that's just the way life is. It's the same as a person who is born to be 4'10 and another will be 6'2, some people will be born male while others are female, it shouldnt matter but it does. So Unless your name is Carlos Slim, get use to there always being someone with more money than you.
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Post by ozz on Nov 30, 2015 23:19:11 GMT -5
I work hard (smarter than harder, these days) NOW so I won't have to later. In my 20s I busted ass at stupid jobs making wages that were just okay. I could have done like my friends and took the easy way out, or go to college "for something", and end up with a go-nowhere job. Disclaimer: i didn't read the whole thread. Just offering advice that's helped me. I was lucky enough to realize potential and opportunities, and go after them. Nobody guided me, I took/take care/supported my parents when some people my age (early 30s) are moving back in with theirs, and so on. There's a world of opportunity out there, what makes you any different from anyone who has them? Usually it's effort put forth and the devotion to getting it. First and foremost, you have to like what you do to not feel bad about it. Even if it sucks, you have to find some enjoyment in it. I've done BS jobs that I still had some fun doing, and luckily I've only had a couple short-term ones which I didn't stay at too long. Years ago I was grinding away at I job I liked okay enough. I was making enough to be comfortable. It was TOUGH to learn and I wanted to quit, but I stuck with it and came to be an ace doing something very unique. I also had a side grind that earned me anywhere from 800-1900 per month, clear, which kept me VERY busy but ultimately was making 50-100/hr depending on the workload. It was too easy to pass up, so I kept it going all these years. Loved to do it, the work was fun and done from my house as well. Lesson #1: find something you enjoy Lesson #2: if you can make money on the side, do it. Find a way to make yourself valuable and beat the hell out of itYears later I got laid off and just stuck w/my side gig. Eventually I came to find that, professionally, I was worth 3x more than I had been earning! Now I do consulting work for software vendors & hospitals, and nearly all/all of my work per contract is done from home. My expenditures are still pretty much the same as they were back during my normal job, and I end up with $80-100K extra to save or blow or burn or whatever. Depending on the contract I take, the work can be horribly hectic. My first foray into consulting had me travel M-Th every week, but I was back home Thursday evening. I figured it's better than those who travel for weeks at a time AND make less. So I stayed and had fun with it. The OT was insane in my final month there, and at the end of 7 months I'd topped 6 figures and took the rest of the year off. The mini sabbatical/vacation was awesome. Being in my early 30s, I'm not retirement ready and I was itching to get back to work, so I went back elsewhere (working from home) in Jan. and have been there since. Last year I took 4 months off (including the following Jan.) and came back with a raise in pay. Lesson #3: bust your ass to be irreplaceable! Anyone can do 'any' job. You can't even go to college and learn what I do, for instance. Truth be told, my educational degree is at a 1-year IT school for pretty much nothing to do with what I do now, but I found a niche and excelled. Every job I take "requires" a 4 year degree but nobody cares that I haven't got one because my experience is infinitely more valuable. Even if you don't make yourself irreplaceable, a hard worker who is unrelenting in his craft is a surprisingly valuable commodity. I have a cousin who just can't keep a job for a long time. Lazy, doesn't care, thinks he should be given a great job out of nowhere to do things any jackass can be taught to do in a week. I've told him before that even if he gets a job to shovel crap at a circus, he'd be wise to become the best crap-shoveler they ever saw! Opportunities are created from circumstance, not hope.
Lesson #4: You can enjoy your life while working. Many companies offer 4-8 weeks of paid time off, or some with non-paid time off which you can enjoy if you can afford to not earn anything during that time.So there's all that. Loving the ability to take time off and be "semi-retired". I don't feel like I'm missing out on ANYTHING, I don't feel like I'm slaving away, and I'm not held hostage by bad wages. Now recently, I'd begun getting involved with more actively trading stock holdings. I'd always been decent with investments, again settling for safe choices like my old job with its safe pay. After lots of self-learning and learning from others online, I began trading daily or mostly daily. My MONTHLY earnings, even including any losses I've claimed, are almost what my old "safe" investments had earned per year. Again, all of this is just fun money, and approaches 6 figures alone in the span of a year. And I'm still just a beginner IMO. All this time I've been hustling to make that 800-1900 per month on my side hustle, and now I can make that in 20 minutes with a trade. I could lose it too, but I could earn it back in the next half hour. With all of this I'm starting to really consider taking serious time off from the consulting work, or at least not accepting anything that requires me to leave the house. I can't predict the future but if this keeps up and after a few more years of my "real" work, I can see myself retiring early and just trading. At this rate I can do that by 40 even when I buy my next house with a larger mortgage. My trading alone can cover all expected bills and then some. This doesn't even include my wife's income, mind you. But sitting at home doing NOTHING is ing boring, man. Maybe some people like it but I can't understand it. Usually those types aren't the ones to bust ass in a way necessary change their lives. BTW, if you're wondering if I still do my original side gig, yes I do (though at slightly less volume).
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Post by Escape The Rules on Dec 1, 2015 7:51:35 GMT -5
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Post by Nick the Quick on Dec 1, 2015 16:13:13 GMT -5
I get what the OP is saying, if I had enough money saved where I wouldn't have to work for a while and be fine, I'd do it. It would be a well-deserved earned break. Work is a necessary evil that we can't run away from, why? That would be because of money, which is the root of all evil. Things cost money, and we need to work, in most cases, to earn money. It can suck, and usually does, but it's what needs to be done.
The reason most people are miserable at their jobs is best they are working somewhere because they need to, not because they want to. If you are doing something you enjoy, then it will be fun and not feel like work, but if you are somewhere just for the money, it will feel like hellish torture. Cost of living increases, low wages, and other factors create the need to work, but I'm not going to drift off into that discussion, I could go on for days, so we're left with no choice but to work. I just wish it were possible to everyone to be happy, only work a job because they want it, and be able to have enough money and free time to enjoy life.
I will leave you all with this because I firmly believe this to be true...
If you feel you need money to be happy, you never will be.
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Post by WWE4Life! on Dec 24, 2015 5:26:01 GMT -5
I understand your point of view, but it's unrealistic. I'd everyone, or even a majority of people lived that way, the world wouldn't work. Don't take this the wrong way, but it's selfish to just do what you want when you want. We all, if we are able, need to contribute to society in some way. Luckily for you, out doesn't necessarily have to be doing the boring 9-5 suit job. Not everyone hates working. I suggest focusing on something you like to do that helps society move forward. Good luck.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 24, 2015 10:13:35 GMT -5
I get what the OP is saying, if I had enough money saved where I wouldn't have to work for a while and be fine, I'd do it. It would be a well-deserved earned break. Work is a necessary evil that we can't run away from, why? That would be because of money, which is the root of all evil. Things cost money, and we need to work, in most cases, to earn money. It can suck, and usually does, but it's what needs to be done. The reason most people are miserable at their jobs is best they are working somewhere because they need to, not because they want to. If you are doing something you enjoy, then it will be fun and not feel like work, but if you are somewhere just for the money, it will feel like hellish torture. Cost of living increases, low wages, and other factors create the need to work, but I'm not going to drift off into that discussion, I could go on for days, so we're left with no choice but to work. I just wish it were possible to everyone to be happy, only work a job because they want it, and be able to have enough money and free time to enjoy life. I will leave you all with this because I firmly believe this to be true... If you feel you need money to be happy, you never will be.I say this all the time. I don't see the need for a huge house or have the nicest cars. For what? To try and make yourself an important status? I could be 10x happier having a medium house i am not struggling to pay for and doing things i love in my spare time. reminds me of another quote i heard once. Some people are so poor all they have is money.
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Post by Valbroski on Dec 24, 2015 18:18:37 GMT -5
I get what the OP is saying, if I had enough money saved where I wouldn't have to work for a while and be fine, I'd do it. It would be a well-deserved earned break. Work is a necessary evil that we can't run away from, why? That would be because of money, which is the root of all evil. Things cost money, and we need to work, in most cases, to earn money. It can suck, and usually does, but it's what needs to be done. The reason most people are miserable at their jobs is best they are working somewhere because they need to, not because they want to. If you are doing something you enjoy, then it will be fun and not feel like work, but if you are somewhere just for the money, it will feel like hellish torture. Cost of living increases, low wages, and other factors create the need to work, but I'm not going to drift off into that discussion, I could go on for days, so we're left with no choice but to work. I just wish it were possible to everyone to be happy, only work a job because they want it, and be able to have enough money and free time to enjoy life. I will leave you all with this because I firmly believe this to be true... If you feel you need money to be happy, you never will be. It would be wonderful if we could all live in a world where we all love our jobs and aren't only doing it for the money, but the downside to that is if everybody had their dream job then we wouldn't have any janitors because nobody would want to clean up barf and shovel garbage if they could be working their dream job. Obviously it doesn't just apply to a janitor but I'm just giving an example of a job that can be messy and difficult and isn't something people generally aspire to do. And if you're going to play devils advocate and say it is a job that some people aspire to do, I want specifics. No disrespect to anybody who is a janitor, of course. I don't think I'm better than a janitor I just don't believe its anybody's dream job. I think its a secure job that people are willing to take because they don't mind doing it and are just trying to earn money. Like being a garbage man. Again, don't jump down my throat if this is your profession. At the end of the day as long as you're working and not leeching off anybody, you have my respect as an equal. My point is that it's an unrealistic dream that may sound good on paper but in the long run cause more problems than good. Society needs subjective jobs that cater to a persons situation and background, everybody can't just magically have their dream job. It wouldn't be a dream job if it didn't require hard work and effort put in to obtain it, meaning their has to be obstacles and stepping stones to truly appreciate it. I don't think money is the root of all evill, I think its just a necessity in our society that makes the world go round. I don't think its impossible to be happy without money but I definitely think money is capable of buying happiness. But if you firmly want to stick to believing that you don't need money at all to be happy, I see no problem with that just as long as you're not doing it just because its easier to settle than work hard for something.
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Post by The Lion's Den on Dec 24, 2015 23:00:54 GMT -5
Hey man, do you. I'm not angry that you're taking time off to essentially find yourself provided that you have a means to an end (and aren't costing tax payers money!) I really don't care that you are doing this as it's good to stop and think about what's around you and where you want to go. I was the same way in some respects. I went to university because it's "just what you did" but I had no idea what to do after. I worked a lot and still couldn't figure it out, BUT - I took every opportunity I could try new things and challenge myself. I ran a window washing business, I ended up running a meat wholesale business and then presto! I found something I was genuinely interested in it, went back to school for it and now I'm in a 9-5 job I actually love, making good money, and actually feel good about at the end of the day.
Do your thing man, find your way, just realize that it's all part of the journey. Don't become a hippy either, please.
For the record, I'm not sure if this has been said because I don't think I've logged into this board in about 3-4 years so I'm certainly not rifling through pages of people just like me - but for the angry people or the times you say we work for money; the truth is not all of us. I work two jobs because I love both. I don't work for the money, I work because it challenges me, stimulates me, frustrates me, confuses me, and ultimately grows who I am. Think about that in your journey, a job is much more than a paycheck - it can really take you places in a personal setting.
Basically, when it comes down to it, just do you.
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Post by Valbroski on Dec 25, 2015 0:41:18 GMT -5
Hey man, do you. I'm not angry that you're taking time off to essentially find yourself provided that you have a means to an end (and aren't costing tax payers money!) I really don't care that you are doing this as it's good to stop and think about what's around you and where you want to go. I was the same way in some respects. I went to university because it's "just what you did" but I had no idea what to do after. I worked a lot and still couldn't figure it out, BUT - I took every opportunity I could try new things and challenge myself. I ran a window washing business, I ended up running a meat wholesale business and then presto! I found something I was genuinely interested in it, went back to school for it and now I'm in a 9-5 job I actually love, making good money, and actually feel good about at the end of the day. Do your thing man, find your way, just realize that it's all part of the journey. Don't become a hippy either, please. For the record, I'm not sure if this has been said because I don't think I've logged into this board in about 3-4 years so I'm certainly not rifling through pages of people just like me - but for the angry people or the times you say we work for money; the truth is not all of us. I work two jobs because I love both. I don't work for the money, I work because it challenges me, stimulates me, frustrates me, confuses me, and ultimately grows who I am. Think about that in your journey, a job is much more than a paycheck - it can really take you places in a personal setting. Basically, when it comes down to it, just do you. well said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 13:12:05 GMT -5
Also I've seen a few times in this thread about a lack of jobs.
Lol I don't buy this. Every city I go to, or town even, has signs for all kinds of places hiring. The jobs are out there. It's just that people don't want to work. Especially the younger people. I know college graduates that are unemployed because they don't want to "work" because they have a degree. If I could live the same and not work, I probably would. But I have to have income and I'm not going to live off any entitlements because I'm entitled to nothing but a fair opportunity just like the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2015 14:31:50 GMT -5
Also I've seen a few times in this thread about a lack of jobs. Lol I don't buy this. Every city I go to, or town even, has signs for all kinds of places hiring. The jobs are out there. It's just that people don't want to work. Especially the younger people. I know college graduates that are unemployed because they don't want to "work" because they have a degree. If I could live the same and not work, I probably would. But I have to have income and I'm not going to live off any entitlements because I'm entitled to nothing but a fair opportunity just like the rest of us. This. I see so many help wanted signs and ads. It seems people over value themselves and their working skills. Being to entitled to take a low level job at a mall or grocery store, even though they need the money.
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Post by snatch on Dec 25, 2015 19:26:39 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with the OP.. I'm a general contractor. I know millionaires who barely live in there homes and drive $50,000 cars... There's people that live paycheck to paycheck. There's people who know how to bank money and enjoy life. Then there's people who are straight up rich. I'm not rich, nor poor. I'm living comfortable. I take a few weeks vacation here and there.
If you have money saved up and feel like not working then that's your choice. But if your milking it and living off the system, I don't feel bad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 15:02:11 GMT -5
I don't do it, I hated working for others so no longer do. Much happier for it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 15:07:23 GMT -5
I dont, I quit my retail job and now I sell online. I make just as much money and i am now more happy. I work when I want, I can make money while I sleep, and etc.
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Post by RV F'N D on Dec 28, 2015 19:23:47 GMT -5
If there wasn't this giant machine that we call society, do you know what people would be doing? Hunting, fishing, farming, scavenging,just to eat, guess what...that's WORK. It takes many other forms today but that's basically why we leave our beds each day.
You can hustle the system, and try to get out of doing any real work, like so many people do. But if you aren't pulling your own weight in some way and putting into it, you are part of the problem. That's why things are as corrupted as they are, because we have lazy, greedy, scumbags whose entire existence is based off of essentially having tricked others into feeding them.
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