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Post by ● kaneisdaman ● on Feb 17, 2016 8:16:13 GMT -5
He's rubbish. I find him boring and hard to take seriously. Doesn't scream main event player.
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Post by Yayo on Feb 17, 2016 8:25:54 GMT -5
He could've been something in 2013.. But his time has long since passed. He's a good wrestler, I just don't find him that entertaining anymore
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Post by Infinite on Feb 17, 2016 9:05:56 GMT -5
Could/Should have been champion in 2013/14 (Whichever year was after the hiac match with Punk). Normally I'd flame the crap out of creative for stuff like this, but if i recall correctly Cena got injured and Ryback was the only guy they could shoehorn in. He wasn't ready though at the time, and Punk was being prepped to lose to The Rock, so between that and the streak Ryback had they couldn't really get a clean finish/feud that wouldn't do more damage than good and Ryback's momentum took the hit.
Then there was the heel turn which shouldn't have happened but could have been good anyway, but ended up being a total wreck. Everything was south from there really. That part was pretty much on creative.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 17, 2016 10:48:22 GMT -5
Ryback sucks. People chant Goldberg at him because he's wearing Goldberg attire. This time around those chants are directed at his appearance, versus his booking. Guy can't talk, period. So you're left with a moderately skilled muscle bound mid carder who looks like he could star in a Hills Have Eyes movie and constantly needs a Snickers.
LMFAO at Ryback being WWE Champion in 2012. Absolutely not. It took the guy almost two years from that point to become manageable in the ring. It 100% shouldn't have happened at that time. I don't care how over the guy was, he wasn't ready. Zack Ryder was more over than Ryback and he barely got a shake with the US Title, let alone the WWE Title.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 10:54:50 GMT -5
I'm not a fan, but if WWE randomly decided to put him in the main event over Roman Reigns, I wouldn't be against it.
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Post by jakksking1 on Feb 17, 2016 11:06:30 GMT -5
He is actually pretty funny, but the material he has been given is garbage. When you have a big man who is fairly charismatic and funny, it's strange to have him come out and talk about self help books that he's read. Also didn't help that he lost about 9 PPV matches in a row in 2013.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Feb 17, 2016 11:17:31 GMT -5
He's Cheesy, He's Too Boring, He's to Choreographed, and he is only average in the ring. Nothing he does comes off natural and all, and nothing about him screams "cool". He's just a big body with very little charisma and he puts people to sleep when he talks. At least his character does. I don't mind him outside of character, he's a little more entertaining then. But nobody wants to see some huge dude go out there dressed in all these bright colors and smiling all the time and telling sad stories. People want to see someone like Goldberg. Goldberg was a bada**. He didn't say much, was intimidating, and a little bit crazy. Nothing about Ryback is intimidating. He's trying to be the nice guy all the time and people can't stand it. His chant is kind of over, but he isn't at all.
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Post by J12 on Feb 17, 2016 11:32:21 GMT -5
Ryback is a really interesting case, and my opinion on the derailment of his career is a little different than most.
I see a lot of people (most, actually) argue that the wheels came off for Ryback when he failed to win the WWE Title from CM Punk, and that they should've pulled the trigger on him them. I completely disagree, and I always have. Ryback wasn't ready for the title, and WWE was fully committed to carrying on with Punk into the Rock/Cena angle. Ryback would've gotten in the way of that, and not in a good way, either.
The end of Ryback's momentum came at the head-scratching handling of his situation with The Shield, and Mark Henry. The Shield never got their comeuppance from Ryback, who they mercilessly beat and bullied for months on end. This made sense at first, since The Shield was being built as a dominant, undefeated force. If that trend had continued, I wouldn't balk at it, but it didn't. The Shield lost to a random group of guys on Smackdown in a match nobody remembers. When you have a hot act who hasn't been beaten before, their first loss should be a big deal, and it should be to a guy who makes sense and could stand to gain a lot from it. Ryback never got that, he just got shoehorned into a program with Mark Henry. And he lost. So, within just a few months, Ryback went from headlining Pay-Per-Views to being unable to handle the new kids on the block (who, again, lost on Smackdown) and being embarrassed with a meaningless loss at Wrestlemania. That's derailing a career.
And truthfully, he's never recovered. The heel run was unremarkable and mostly forgettable. His return as a babyface has been well-received, but nothing noteworthy. It's hard to imagine Ryback ever recapturing the fire he had in 2012 and into early 2013. He's a novel mid-card guy who plays his role well, but has been defined down as a "lesser" and in WWE, it's immensely hard to overcome that. You need to be a really, really special talent, like Daniel Bryan.
As for the argument for Ryback over Reigns in his current position, yes and no. If you look at the situation in a vacuum, as in, not taking into account future potential, what's happened in the past, or what the plans are for the future, and just focus on right now, then, yes. Ryback is a better choice than Roman Reigns to be a main event babyface. The reason why is simple - Ryback is over, and Roman Reigns isn't. But wrestling doesn't exist in a vacuum, and in that respect, the answer is unquestionably, and emphatically no. Roman Reigns is an absolutely terrible babyface, a miserable choice to be in the role he's in, and failing at almost every area WWE desperately needs/wants him to succeed in. But he's got potential. He's got the look. He's oozing heel charisma. Roman Reigns could be one of the best heels the business has seen in years, and by extension, eventually, a great babyface as well. I can't say anything like that about Ryback.
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Post by Miztery on Feb 17, 2016 11:36:00 GMT -5
They pushed him too quick too soon. Similar reason to why I dislike Reigns. Granted Ryback can actually cut a promo.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 17, 2016 11:44:47 GMT -5
I love the big meathead. Shame his credibility will never recover due to his horrendous booking. Should have won the WWE title by now, they really had something with him but Luger'ed him for whatever reason. Oh well. The reason, I think, was the disappointing Survivor Series 2011 buyrate. Rock and Cena vs Miz and R-Truth. Miz and Truth got the blame for being weak opponents. WWE were then careful about Rock's matchups -- and with Royal Rumble 2013 approaching, they didn't think Punk would be a big enough draw for Rock without the year-plus title reign. The original plan, of course, would've been for Punk to escape from Cena in the Hell in a Cell 2012 match, then be in the triple threat with Ryback at Survivor Series 2012. Ryback gets taken out of the match by the Shield, Punk beats Cena, then Ryback goes on his merry way getting revenge against the Shield and probably ends up challenging Big Show for the title at WrestleMania 29 still without having ever been pinned. Cena's injury put them in a tough spot. They had to either kill Ryback's gimmick in his first real match, or they had to believe Punk could draw without the year-plus reign. And when they killed Ryback's gimmick like that, he was dispensable. So when the Shield came along, they might as well just win all the time because he was done anyway. And that kind of worked, the Shield ended up getting over better by being unbeaten than they would have if Ryback had beaten them at TLC or whatever. But he's never recovered from that period, and probably never will. His bully gimmick had potential, but that got cut short so he could step into the Punk/Heyman 2013 feud.
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Post by marino13 on Feb 17, 2016 11:50:06 GMT -5
I want to like Ryback more. I really do. I feel there is so much untapped potential. But IMO he's missing something and I do not know what it is. Can't say he needs a mouthpiece because the run with Heyman sucked. Can't say he needs a tag partner because Rybaxel wasn't very good. Can't say he needs a heel turn, cause that didn't work either. I am not sure what it will take to get Ryback to the next level.
I still think right before WM29 WWE should have had Big Show retain the title against Del Rio. And hold it till WM. Have him make an open challenge that Ryback would have accepted. And I'd have had Ryback steamroll Show for the World title. I think he would have been far better off than he was after losing to Henry.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 17, 2016 12:01:38 GMT -5
Ryback sucks. People chant Goldberg at him because he's wearing Goldberg attire. This time around those chants are directed at his appearance, versus his booking. Guy can't talk, period. So you're left with a moderately skilled muscle bound mid carder who looks like he could star in a Hills Have Eyes movie and constantly needs a Snickers.
LMFAO at Ryback being WWE Champion in 2012. Absolutely not. It took the guy almost two years from that point to become manageable in the ring. It 100% shouldn't have happened at that time. I don't care how over the guy was, he wasn't ready. Zack Ryder was more over than Ryback and he barely got a shake with the US Title, let alone the WWE Title. Batista couldn't talk and was a horrible wrestler but look how well he did. If it wasn't for Evolution he would never have made the main event scene.
I don't like Rybacks attire change and it has restarted the Goldberg chants but the big guy could've been something if booked better.
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Post by S on Feb 17, 2016 12:03:14 GMT -5
The stupid Ryback name doesn't help, I put it in another thread, but it sounds ridiculous... My idea from another thread was put him in a black singlet with a silver stripe down the back. Stands out more than just trunks and isn't gaudy as hell like his old singlets. Then repackage him as
'The Silverback' Ryan Reeves... Hell, the name Ryback came from a combo of silverback and Ryan.
Then, i might take him more seriously and not see him as something like a generic Create-A-Wrestler
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 17, 2016 23:05:23 GMT -5
Ryback should not have been champion in 2012. He was feuding with Punk and you weren't going to waste the Rock on Ryback. Regardless of what people think about Punk, he made sense against the Rock. Also, I don't think the "year reign" had anything to do with it. Punk was used against part-timers like Brock, Rock and Undertaker and would have been in that spot even without the long reign.
Back to Ryback, here's what should have happened. He should have won the 2013 Royal Rumble. Dude was still red hot. You could accomplish so much if he wins the Rumble.
1) You avoid the been there, done that stuff with Cena winning another Rumble 2) You solidify a new star in Ryback 3) You avoid the debacle that was Del Rio/Swagger in a WrestleMania World Title match
Keep the title on the dominant Big Show and never have him drop it to Del Rio. Cena wins the Elimination Chamber to earn his shot at the trash that was "Twice in a Lifetime". Ryback challenges Big Show for Mania and Shellshocks him to win the title, giving him the belt and a "WrestleMania moment". You can still do Del Rio/Swagger in a mid-card America vs. Mexico match, you can still do Punk/Taker and you can still have the precious Rock/Cena rematch, all while making a new star. It would have taken away Ziggler cashing in the night after Mania, but he could have done that at a later date.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Feb 18, 2016 6:31:38 GMT -5
It's insane that they didn't give him the nod in 2012/2013. He was getting the biggest pop of anyone on the roster at the time and he looked like he belonged in the main event picture.
What happened to him after that was just sad.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Feb 18, 2016 7:18:24 GMT -5
Because he almost killed CM Punk
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Post by T R W on Feb 18, 2016 8:47:08 GMT -5
I was on board with Ryback until those goofy Secret promos. At this point, they have booked his character so horribly I don't think he can recover from it, which is a shame, because if booked well he could be pretty good. ALso his finisher is poop.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 9:02:05 GMT -5
Been a fan of Ryan Reeves since he was on Tough Enough. Ryback had the potential to be big in 2012 when he was feuding with Punk, but it fizzled out. Hopefully he'll be used better in the future.
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Post by Edge618 on Feb 18, 2016 20:42:12 GMT -5
I was gonna make one of these threads I dont get how he's not over with the online fans / smart fans. NXT get nothing but praise from their shows even though its usually a regular NXT guy such as Apollo Crews vs Generic Jobber, or someone who always takes a pin like that Marcus guy. People seem to praise their way of getting guys over like that but Ryback was brought in the same way. I seem to remember a lot of people being bummed out when Skip Sheffield got injured early in the Nexus storyline, then people seemed to sour on him upon his return as Ryback? The Goldberg chants I dont understand I dont remember him having them as part of Nexus although it was breif, he comes back as Ryback looking less like Goldberg and gets goldberg chants? no one chants Ahmed Johnson at Apollo Crews, Bobby Lashley, Ezekiel Jackson, Titus O'Neil I will say it was a combination of things that lead to Goldberg chants. Mostly the booking. He was booked exactly like goldberg at the start. Beating random jobbers every week, he had a set up move into a slam finisher just like goldberg. I hate the goldberg chants but I understand them. It sucks that almost no one can be booked with an intense undefeated streak without goldberg reference. Everytime it's been done it's gotten pretty over. Smarks will be smarks an they ruin a lot of guys pushes and then blame it on WWE. No one will get behind Ryback now because of what Punk said, and that's a mark at its finest. And it's probably the one thing I dislike about Punk. He straight up tried to ruin Rybacks career. Hope one day Ryback pulls through and I think he will. Just needs the machine behind him a little more.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 20:57:04 GMT -5
Ryback should not have been champion in 2012. He was feuding with Punk and you weren't going to waste the Rock on Ryback. Regardless of what people think about Punk, he made sense against the Rock. Also, I don't think the "year reign" had anything to do with it. Punk was used against part-timers like Brock, Rock and Undertaker and would have been in that spot even without the long reign. Back to Ryback, here's what should have happened. He should have won the 2013 Royal Rumble. Dude was still red hot. You could accomplish so much if he wins the Rumble. 1) You avoid the been there, done that stuff with Cena winning another Rumble 2) You solidify a new star in Ryback 3) You avoid the debacle that was Del Rio/Swagger in a WrestleMania World Title match Keep the title on the dominant Big Show and never have him drop it to Del Rio. Cena wins the Elimination Chamber to earn his shot at the trash that was "Twice in a Lifetime". Ryback challenges Big Show for Mania and Shellshocks him to win the title, giving him the belt and a "WrestleMania moment". You can still do Del Rio/Swagger in a mid-card America vs. Mexico match, you can still do Punk/Taker and you can still have the precious Rock/Cena rematch, all while making a new star. It would have taken away Ziggler cashing in the night after Mania, but he could have done that at a later date. I would have loved to see that happen.It's a shame though that backstage politics would have probably played too much into preventing most of that.
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