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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Mar 20, 2016 21:51:42 GMT -5
I was listening to a clip of the Gerwitz Report Podcast on YouTube with Brian Gerwitz (I think) and Teddy Long were having a quick discussion on whether WWE should bring back squash matches on RAW. They mentioned how back in the days of Saturday Night NWA, most of the matches were squash matches and from time to time there would be superstar vs. superstar. In some way, I believe they should bring back squash matches, but not have the show be 80% squash matches like back then. I believe bringing squash matches back would help the product a little bit because instead of having 50/50 booking, they could easily have someone they want to give a bit of a push to squash enhancement talent for a while and then when they have him face a superstar, it would feel special. I don't know how anyone feels about it, but I don't think it would hurt to bring it back.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Mar 20, 2016 21:53:31 GMT -5
I would like to see them now and again every few weeks
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Mar 20, 2016 22:08:09 GMT -5
The last time I remember squash matches in WWE was 2012 I believe when they were building up Ryback and honestly I hated them. It's probably due to how much I've never liked Ryback though lol.
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Post by Rob on Mar 20, 2016 22:16:37 GMT -5
The last time I remember squash matches in WWE was 2012 I believe when they were building up Ryback and honestly I hated them. It's probably due to how much I've never liked Ryback though lol. It worked though. Dude became over as all after a few months until they booked him into a corner with CM Punk. I do think it would help introduce the crowd to a potentially great superstar without stepping on the toes of others. Only problem is though, Wfigs would start getting behind the jobbers and start hating the product when they consistently lose.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 20, 2016 22:16:49 GMT -5
With the amount tickets are for an event and how much you wind up paying to see a live show, its better off they dont do them anymore.
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Post by MadDogJoe on Mar 20, 2016 22:19:13 GMT -5
This concept does not really seem relevant on TV though much anymore. To do this on superstars or the main event shows on the network is a different story though. Then it would be much like Velocity back in the day. I feel like rather than wasting Raw and SD with pointless squash matches, the network exclusive shows work best for these matches.
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Post by k5 on Mar 20, 2016 23:35:00 GMT -5
basically, as wrestling on television actually became competitive the demand for 'must-see' tv grew. squash matches simply are not 'must-see' and are repetitive and predictable.
i do think that the upper elite of the main eventers should only be featured in a wrestling capacity very rarely on weekly television. worked with brock when they were doing it properly.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 20, 2016 23:48:15 GMT -5
They still have jobbers and squash matches on Raw.
For Zack Ryder, Jack Swagger, Bo Dallas, Adam Rose, and guys like that are the new and improved enhancement talent.
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 20, 2016 23:53:40 GMT -5
They still have jobbers and squash matches on Raw. For Zack Ryder, Jack Swagger, Bo Dallas, Adam Rose, and guys like that are the new and improved enhancement talent. Pretty much this. Unfortunately, there have to be some jobbers. The Social Outcasts is all jobbers. And as someone said before, people say they are wasted talent.
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Post by BigT on Mar 21, 2016 0:19:01 GMT -5
I think they can use them here and there. The current TV era kind of limits their value as people wouldn't tune in to watch mostly squashes, but one a show (mixing up which superstar gets the squash match) wouldn't be the worst idea. With 3 hours to play with giving a guy like Kevin Owens an easy win and a chance to get in his main moves isn't going to damage the product too much.
What I'd like to see them do is something NJPW do a bit. When they decide to do tag matches instead of making a 4/6 man tag with nothing but mid-to-high level guys, have one of them on each team be a younger or lower level guy. Gives them a chance to perform at a higher level with stars to get a bit of a rub, but it also protects your high level talent since the lower level guy can take the mid-match beatdown or get pinned.
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Post by boss on Mar 21, 2016 1:18:17 GMT -5
They def do it in NXT. Just bc the wrestlers are on the roster doesnt mean they're not jobbers. Case in point "blue pants" and "deonna purrazzo".
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Mar 21, 2016 1:21:13 GMT -5
Vignettes and squash matches are a forgotten gem it seems like. If done correctly a squash match can be very beneficial to building a wrestler as well as a good series of vignettes.
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Post by jakksking1 on Mar 21, 2016 6:09:47 GMT -5
NXT does this quite well. It makes the end product so much better because it's not as watered down. As much as I love Y2J/AJ we've seen this match 3 times in 2 months. That never happens when squashes are involved l, it allows you to introduce a character without spoiling the big payday
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Post by CF9™ on Mar 21, 2016 15:43:42 GMT -5
I think this is an interesting point. Nowadays we have main roster people like Breeze or Ryder get squashed. Instead, have an up-and-comer beat someone with ZERO fanfare, so the lasting feeling is "damn, that guy is powerful/talented/whatever" as opposed to "he beat the guy who should be given an opportunity." Ends up building disdain for the squasher and sympathy for the jobber.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 11:51:49 GMT -5
Why do that when they can just have so and so vs so and so for 17 straight weeks including ppv's
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Mar 22, 2016 18:06:59 GMT -5
A perfect example of what I mean by we should have enhancement talent at least once a week. Kevin Owens vs. AJ Styles. There was no reason to have them wrestle on RAW having wrestling on Smackdown. I would have had Kevin Owens wrestle an enhancement talent, then cut a promo about KO-Mania and have the same segment he had with Ziggler, Miz and Zayn. No need to have him wrestle. AJ Styles, I would have either had an enhancement talent, or just simply had him distract Jericho. No need to have AJ vs. Owens on RAW when they wrestled on Smackdown. Now if AJ and Owens feud against each other, I'm not going to have the same feeling I would have gotten if they never fought. I agree with having Ryder, Social Outcasts as jobbers, except their role would be similar to the role Val Venis had in 2005. They would jobbers-to-the-stars. They could beat the enhancement talent on the C shows, maybe the B shows as well. IMO we should have enhancement talent. It could protect the booking from looking stale so we don't see Ziggler/Miz ten thousand times. I believe it could work in today's age if they use it right. I'm not saying we should go back to the days of Superstars of Wrestling, Wrestling Challenge where almost every match is a squash. Have one or two squash matches on RAW, maybe Smackdown, definitely on the C shows. There are some things from the old days that could work today. It's a worth a try so we don't have to see the same match over and over.....and over.......and over
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Post by skribbel24 on Mar 23, 2016 9:35:40 GMT -5
They have a stable called Social Outcasts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 9:54:34 GMT -5
Yeah, they should just keep squashing guys like Damian Sandow on Raw and Smackdown.
Then on Main Event and Superstars those guys should be able to put on competitive matches.
I watched Superstars the other day. There was only 2 matches. The rest of it was recap of Raw and Smackdown. They should get rid of the recap.
Instead they should do backstage interviews with guys like Adam Rose, the jobbers. They should ask them about their win loss records and stuff like that.
I think it would suck me in more if they made like it was a legitimate competition.
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 24, 2016 11:28:05 GMT -5
The last time I remember squash matches in WWE was 2012 I believe when they were building up Ryback and honestly I hated them. It's probably due to how much I've never liked Ryback though lol. Honestly they were pretty funny
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Post by 5D's on Mar 24, 2016 21:39:40 GMT -5
Whatever it takes to stop using new talent like Tyler Breeze or Ascension as jobbers. Those guys never even got a chance to sink or swim on the main roster.
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