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Post by michaelc on Apr 2, 2016 1:36:15 GMT -5
Hi members. Although I am newly registered I have been researching information here for some time. I'm going to start with an odd request. Does anybody remember a Wrestling figures website I created back in 1996/97? The internet was in its infancy and it was titled something liked The Definitive (?) Wrestling Figures checklist. It had the "?" mark in the title! It was based on information I had gleaned from collecting figures in the 1990s from Australia (no easy feat I can tell you!) It included semi-critical/socio-cultural profiles I had written of the WWF and its wrestlers featured as LJNs up to about mid-1987 release. I had a number of requests to use the information including one for a US masters thesis. The site also included full checklists of LJN series with known variations at that time; and appropriate accuracy (correcting the only widely available info source at that time available from Lee's Action Figure price guide) as well as Hasbro, Galoob, Remco AWA and later I added OSTM WCW figures and about the first 6 series of Jakks figures. I am just curious - in this first instance- to find out! Anyway if not - it doesn't matter as I do have a lot more to ask over time. Thanks for your time.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Apr 2, 2016 5:41:13 GMT -5
Was it the site that had a picture of LJN Savage, Koko and Hogan under the picture you had written something like "the three tenors"? Used to have it in my favorites if that was the one.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 2, 2016 7:41:24 GMT -5
Hi Ruby Fusion what a great memory! That's exactly it. I lifted that image - there were so few available back then - to add some colour to the page! I've also looked at many of your posts on here; your's is a brain I can surely pick! So; from your general memory - and given that it was the 1990s, did you find that style of writing about the WWF and LJNs interesting and/or informative; or even humorous while still taking a semi-serious approach?
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Post by ozz on Apr 2, 2016 9:08:32 GMT -5
I can't say I remember it, but I had and helped run yet another similar-sounding site. I can definitely appreciate your history, love for the hobby, etc. and would love to view the page if I could =/ If you can recall the name or web address of it, MAYBE we can get lucky and find it by searching the Wayback Machine, a website that shows you glimpses of what old websites used to look like years prior. Could be very cool for a trip down memory lane
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Apr 3, 2016 6:59:00 GMT -5
Hi Ruby Fusion what a great memory! That's exactly it. I lifted that image - there were so few available back then - to add some colour to the page! I've also looked at many of your posts on here; your's is a brain I can surely pick! So; from your general memory - and given that it was the 1990s, did you find that style of writing about the WWF and LJNs interesting and/or informative; or even humorous while still taking a semi-serious approach? It must've been 1998 when I discovered your list, I knew next to nothing about LJNs; they were never available in stores in Belgium. So your site was informative for me. I can't say I remember it, but I had and helped run yet another similar-sounding site. I can definitely appreciate your history, love for the hobby, etc. and would love to view the page if I could =/ If you can recall the name or web address of it, MAYBE we can get lucky and find it by searching the Wayback Machine, a website that shows you glimpses of what old websites used to look like years prior. Could be very cool for a trip down memory lane I had no luck with the words "definitive" and "wrestling"...
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Post by wrestlelord on Apr 6, 2016 17:51:03 GMT -5
Actually the 'Three Tenors' was from AFACT -- Action Figures and Collectible Toys. They're still around to this day. I still have the site archive saved from the 90s.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Apr 7, 2016 4:06:33 GMT -5
michaelc Did you ever post at a place called WrestleTalk? It had quite the thriving little figure section. This site has actually kept the same sort of visual motif as WT did back in the day. You seemed... a bit inscrutable. Are you looking for members of the Wrestling Figure web scene from the latter part of the 90's?
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Post by michaelc on Apr 8, 2016 2:42:24 GMT -5
Thanks guys - sorry for the absence - work commitments. I just found the site !!!!!!!!! but have to go out now (its evening in Aust). Will update with info tomorrow. "Actually the 'Three Tenors' was from AFACT -- Action Figures and Collectible Toys. They're still around to this day. I still have the site archive saved from the 90s." That's sounds right I think I purchased stuff from them. Will be in touch soon!
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Post by michaelc on Apr 8, 2016 21:04:44 GMT -5
Hi people. After some detective work (which involved working out what the URL of the site might actually have been) I located the site using Wayback. And not without a bit of trepidation - I had only remembered snippets and one-liners from what I had written - who knows how it would stand up now? (And as a full-time writer one can easily be embarrassed by hobby writing 20 years ago!
But first some context. I was collecting LJNs as an adult in the early to mid 90s. I think fully explaining and describing this difficult process as a story narrative is better suited to a different thread. Is that how its best to post on the forum? Happy to be guided by your expertise.
Anyway I had got to the extent of what I was able to find in Australia - 33 LJNs - #32 being the very hard-to-source Jimmy Snuka (Aust members would agree)and #33 Roddy Piper (I had only come across one other for $Aud12! with white shirt completely worn off). I desperately wanted Muraco, SD, Elizabeth and the Bulldogs - but couldn't find them here - although they should have been!
As I stated in the first post, the web was in its infancy and I was able to use this to access info from US collectors. I probably also posted and discussed on forums just like Hitman Bono said. But usually any info/trading site was directly set-up by an individual so you could easily establish a one-to-one relationship.
Through my own collecting I became aware of the many variations and inaccuracies of established lists. So I taught myself html (based on a guideline list of tags posted a 12-year old Swedish computer whiz) and worked on the WWF/LJN site.
I started trading with a US collector - and that is a story in itself - Big Dave from upstate New York - who was just breaking into the wrestling business. Each two-way trade could take up to 6 months as figures took the long journey to the US by seamail and then the subsequent return leg of the 'new' LJN roster to Australia.
What might make many members weep - and this also might be better in another thread - was what I was trading.
For those interested in the WFT thread that speculates on what happened to the Hasbro Green Cards; and I love the one about the shipping container going overboard on the way from China to the US; well if it did, then totally watertight it floated on the trade winds and right to Australia and into the K-Mart bargain bins - without a drop of water on the 123 Kid's forehead. So as I gained more information - and traded both knowledge and figures with Wrestling 'doll' fans in the US - I set up the site. So I think I wrote this article in 1997. And I am happy to present this (broken up over a number of posts because it is very long) as a retro time capsule, complete with speculation, inaccuracies and valuable insight into the hobby back in the mid-to-late 1990s.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 8, 2016 21:08:14 GMT -5
The History of LJN Figures (Part 1 - from 1997 presented unedited and unrevised!)
A WALK THROUGH THE PLASTIC FOREST
The history of LJN figures through 1984-1989 mirrors the expansion and contraction of the WWF at that period of time. Professional Wrestling was introduced and accepted into homes around the world through extensive marketing and positioning of a product range that provided hours of enjoyment for kids and is now enjoying a healthy collector interest.
The first series of LJN figures was released in 1984 and these dolls commanded significant amounts of shelf space due to their size of 8-10 inches and the large blue blister cards. These Wrestling Superstars were produced by LJN toys and were made of an extremely durable type of plastic, that ensured that they would stand up to the backyard bodyslams and suplexes of young wrestling promoters. Original advertising suggested that you could bend 'em and twist'em but it would have taken the mythical strength of Hulk Hogan himself to accomplish this. Instead they were very, very sturdy figures and a more than adequate foreign object for hitting your opponent on the head. Even the paint used was durable although it wore significantly on high impact areas such as knees, butts, scalps and foreheads.
The original series saw the release of Hulk Hogan with heavyweight belt, Big John Studd, The Iron Shiek, Andre the Giant and Jimmy Snuka. The remainder of the first series consisted of Hillbilly Jim with hat, Junkyard Dog with a collar and chain and Roddy Piper with kilt followed quickly by Nikolai Volkoff with his hat. These latter four illustrate the importance of the snappy fashion accessory to the modern wrestler. Thus the set was complete. Five faces and four heels ready to do your bidding.
Of these pioneers some figures are better crafted than others. The Iron Shiek, Jimmy Snuka and particulary Nikolai Volkoff register the best likeness. Hillbilly Jim is a horrible hunk of plastic, stolid and immovable. Some critics have said that given the man from Mudlick, Kentucky's in the ring performance this was indeed the most accurate figure of the entire series. Andre the Giant sported a poorly crafted, spindly physique with the long hair that was so often a target of Studd and Ken Patera. It stands significantly taller than the other figures although getting it to stand by itself was no easy task. This problem was shared by Snuka whose bare feet provided too little contact to hold up his weight resulting in his leopard skin trunks being prone to losing chips of paint, Studd, whose massive thighs unbalanced him and Hogan himself. Hogan's overly generous head of hair was one of the contact points which probably made this figure the only in history to mirror ravages of male pattern baldness. In addition given boisterous play, Hogan, Studd and Andre's trunks often looked like the trio had had a heavy night at the all you can eat bean and taco restaurant.
The Junkyard Dog's grizzled countenance was well captured and it was a solid chunk of plastic. It and Volkoff stood their ground the best. JYD's chain was easily removed however, although the collar remains intact on most figures today. Rowdy Roddy Piper was a fairly unremarkable figure which suffered from a poor facial likeness. However it has resulted in the most sought after and valuable wrestling figure in existence: The "Panther Piper".
Initial promotional photographs often feature the product in an formative prototype stage. Various changes occur before mass production begins, generally a change of paint mix or a slight reshaping. In early photos Hillbilly was featured in a black shirt, JYD with chain but without collar and Piper in Hotrod shirt with brown boots. Piper was also featured with the famous panther shirt with brown boots. These led to a number of variations existing. The Hillbilly with black shirt seems to have never been produced but JYD featured a silver chain and a much rarer red chain. Studd features a variation on the customary brown-blonde hair which instead has brown-green or "khaki" hair. Roddy Piper was mass produced in the Hotrod shirt with red boots. A very rare variation on this sees Piper in the Hotrod shirt but with earth-brown boots. However the "Piper Panther" is the rarest of all LJN figures. I have had contact with very reputable and knowledgeable collectors who assure me that the figure exists as I had doubted its existence. It is sometimes described as the "Tiger Piper" but I believe the correct description would be that of the panther, a snarling head of which takes up a large portion of his t-shirt. You could name your price if you had one. (See WWF Magazine, Dec/Jan 1985/86 p. 33, p. 64 & p. 65 for photos of above-mentioned figures.) It should be noted that if a photograph of a prototype was taken, then that figure must have existed. A certain number would have been produced, and are then generally given to employees; hence the "moon" Hasbro Kamala and Rhythm and Blues Hasbro's. So that may be the origin of the "Panther Piper" and a black shirt Hillbilly may be out there too.
The first series was also supplemented by the huge WWF ring. It consisted of a moulded plastic base, removable ring posts, 12 turnbuckles, and a set of 3 ring ropes; jingoistic red, white and blue sure to cause the Shiek and Volkoff to shudder. It was about 19 inches square and could be garnished by the rarer cage attachment. The ring included four rectangular stickers on each side of the base and the WWF logo in the centre of the ring. The ropes were prone to stretching hence the comparative rarity of intact rings today.
Hence the game began.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 18, 2016 23:04:29 GMT -5
The History of LJN Figures (Part 2 - from 1997 presented unedited and unrevised!)
A WALK THROUGH THE PLASTIC FOREST
As the WWF roster expanded, so too did the range of figures. However early 1985 saw the release of a relatively stunted roster. Brutus Beefcake, Greg the Hammer Valentine, Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff, King Kong Bundy and George the Animal Steele with coloured chest hair.
Beefcake and Valentine suffered from exaggerated size, reaching ten inches, whilst Orndorff's physique was generously given more cuts than a butcher with Parkinson's; but was inflicted with a face from hell. The Beefcake figure was very colourful, with the trademarked armgloves and a wry smile. Both he and Valentine suffered from mysterious bicep bulges. Valentine was fairly close facially and sported bright blue eyes and golden hair. However there was a much rarer variation of Valentine with stark white hair.
George the Animal was captured accurately, poking his green tongue out of the corner of his mouth. I believe this 1985 version with coloured chest hair is the rarer of two Animal figures.
King Kong Bundy was a huge hunk of plastic, weighing over a pound (half a kilo.) and captured in a menacing pose that was instilling fear through the WWF in 1985. Just ask S.D. Jones. He wore his black body suit tight and was given a snarling white mouth and even had creases on his forehead. This was the ultimate weapon, a great mass of grinding terror.
Steele and Bundy were quite stable figures, but given their considerable weight were prone to the butt-blast that afflicted some of the 1984 figures. Beefcake, Valentine and Orndorff were unstable due to their considerable height often resulting in butt-blast in Valentine; and especially in Orndorff whose red trunks didn't leave much to the imagination. Beefcake tended to fall forward resulting in forehead wear. Many Valentine figures also show forehead wear, probably a result of his favourite move ; the flat face fall.
So four heels; and George the Animal who was turning face were added to the collection resulting in 14 distinct figures.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 18, 2016 23:07:37 GMT -5
The History of LJN Figures (Part 3 - from 1997 presented unedited and unrevised!)
It was the 1986 selection that saw the expansion into new wrestlers as well as the distinctive managers and tag-team sets. I don't know the schedule of release throughout the year but I assume that they were not dumped on the market at the same time.The singles' wrestlers consisted Andre The Giant, Bruno Sammartino, Corporal Kirchner, Magnificent Muraco, George The Animal, Jessie The Body Ventura, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Special Delivery Jones, Terry Funk and Tito Santana.
This series saw marked improvements in the sculpture of the figures, resulting in greater likeness with the wrestlers portrayed. The sheer volume of the 1986 series meant any youngster could now amass a considerable roster of talent; complete with managers. Using packaging information, it would seem the first lot of figures releases were the more popular figures.
Andre the Giant was re-sculptured, and now modelled short hair and a more realistic physique; although it still did not stand successfully. Tito Santana was caught with a grimace and in purple trunks and I believe was marketed with a belt as the Intercontinental Champion. This figure differed from some packaging material, which saw Chico captured with a squat physique closer to that of Bruno Sammartino and an even more painful face that denoted a man of about 50 years of age. The more svelte Tito was released and rightfully so.
George the Animal was released without the coloured chest hair and instead his chunky body contained moulded plastic hair which appeared as bumpy, painful in-grown lumps. The very popular Ricky the Dragon Steamboat was accorded a close likeness with long black tights that differed from the red tights under black trunks pictured on some packaging material.
The relatively recent signing of the extremely charismatic Macho-Man Randy Savage was quickly captured in plastic form, and competes with Hillbilly Jim, the 1984 Andre and Paul Orndorff as the ugliest figure. Savage started a trend in posing with his sunglasses but was given a chunky, barrell-like body that only closely resembled his own. Perhaps Titan and LJN were in a hurry to launch this figure on to the market as he had become Intercontinental champion, and as a heel with The Lovely Miss Elizabeth enjoyed huge fan popularity.
Two figures from this series were marketed with obvious and clear variations. The great Jesse the Body Ventura and Corporal Kirchner. Jesse was produced in ring attire rather than the outlandish costumes that he wore ringside. He came with bandana, sunglasses, (following his once-off partner Savage's lead), and psychedelic pink tights. On packaging he is pictured with blonde hair and a brown moustache but without the white flecks on his tights. Production saw a blonde hair Jesse and a rarer brown hair Jesse, this brown matching his moustache. The flecks were present on both figures.
Kirchner was produced as three figures; one with moulded stubble, one with a full beard and one with a clean-shaven face. Other than that the figures appear identical. This is the only figure to show differing moods; the sleepy a.m Kirchner before shave, outdoors-man with the beard and nightclub Kirchner shaved and ready to go. Whereas the Hogan figure with play could actually go bald, Kirchner could grow hair right before your eyes; well almost. The stubble version is most common, with the bare-faced and bearded version much rarer.
A further four figures were released of slightly less popular wrestlers. As Bruno Sammartino had rejoined the active roster he was celebrated by a thickset, chunky lifelike figure that sported cauliflower ears and broken nose. The Magnificent Don Muraco was captured with a whimsical half-smile on his dial and a raised eyebrow. His black T-shirt struggles to contain those huge shoulders. It's a pity he wasn't sculptured in his Hawaiian singlet so that those veined shoulders could have been exposed to the promoters at home. However, if you look closely, the T-shirt does have stretch marks over the shoulders; a fair compromise. This is one of the better sculptured early figures.
One of the more surprising releases is that of the popular jobber Special Delivery Jones. His first incantation saw his smiling visage bound by an Hawaiian headband, but he was garbed in his unspectacular Red shirt. This is quite a large figure when compared with others but I still wonder how many times he was squashed by plastic King Kong Bundy in bedrooms the world over. S.D. was later released with his updated Hawaiian shirt but I believe this was most likely in 1987; although it is still credited as a 1986 figure. The only real jobber to be celebrated in plastic form gets two distinct accurate portrayals. A true testament to his popularity.
The last of the foursome has to be recognised as one of the greatest figures ever released on to the unsuspecting toy market. The snarling, tobacco spitting, middle-aged and mad Terrible Texan, Terry Funk. Funk was the only of the 11 figures of this series to come with personalised accessories and he had two; his trademark cowboy hat, and the double-cross branding iron. The only thing he was missing was the poncho. Plastic Funk sported a malevolent brooding face, green chaps and a fairly nondescript physique. By the time the figure had had a decent run on the market he and his brother Dory Jnr. had departed the WWF. I'm always surprised by the reported value of this figure as I feel that in years to come this will become one of the most sought after of the LJN series. Funk was one of the most evil of the WWF characters and has continued to build his legend over time. Plastic Funk is the figure of this series.
So including the second Andre (who was now becoming heel Andre) and the second Steele (who was well and truly face George) there were now 25 distinct figures and 26 if you count the Hawaiian S.D., who was still just S.D.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 26, 2016 0:02:13 GMT -5
The History of LJN Figures (Part 4 - from 1997 presented unedited and unrevised!)
A strength of the WWF at this time was that of it's extensive tag-team roster. The federation was overloaded with top class teams and the battles for the tag belts shared main event status. One way to drain the pockets of consumers was to issue tag-team packs. These also had the added bonus of securing significant shelf space thereby ensuring that the WWF logo was prominent in retail outlets. In 1986 four tag-team sets were released. The relative scarcity of these sets is due to their smaller production runs and hefty price tags. Therefore they are much sought after collectors items these days.
LJN sets of Nikolai Volkoff and The Iron Shiek, Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake, the manufactured tag-team of Hulk Hogan and Hillbilly Jim and the only distinct figures to be issued in tag-team set, The British Bulldogs, were made in 1986.
"Cameraman zoom in..., look at my body..." the Iron Shiek would spit as he poked his distended abdominals into lounge rooms around the world. Ayatollah Blassie would banter with Mean Gene and Volkoff would stand looking menacing. WWF tag-team champions Shiek and Volkoff were produced together with no noticeable change from their singles figures. However by the time their tag-team set was in stores they were no longer contenders to the belts, and their arch foes, The U.S. Express of Barry Windham and Mike Rotundo had split up.
The key heel team of the time was the pairing of the veteran ring-master Greg Valentine with the charismatic rookie, Brutus Beefcake. The Dream-Team under Johnny V. had captured the belts from Windham and Rotundo due to cigar related interference from Johnny V.. LJN captured the Dream-Team in a tag-team, and once again these figures recorded no differences from their 1985 release of singles figures.
The face pairing of Hogan and Hillbilly Jim may be seen as a cynical attempt to milk extra dollars from the consumer. These two were not an established tag-team, although they did share a bond; Hogan having given the Hillbilly his shiny black wrestling boots after the Kentuckian had made a ringside save for Hogan. Perhaps Hogan & JYD may have been a more astute pairing given that the Dog was number 2 face at the time. Regardless they helped balance the roster and this contributes to the abundance of loose Hogan & Hillbilly figures still available now.
The British Bulldogs of Davey Boy Smith and The Dynamite Kid are the only LJN figures that were never released in singles form. The Bulldogs, or at least The Dynamite Kid had come from the light-heavyweight division of which Les Thornton was the champion and both had built extensive experience in Japan and Canada. The pairing of the two Britishers hit an instant accord with fans. Quick, skilful moves and dangerous high-flying manoeuvres saw the Bulldogs climb to the top of the rankings. LJN reproduced the Bulldogs in an earlier version of their ring attire rather than the more recognisable Union Jack tights that fans are more familiar with. Dynamite is the better crafted of the two figures although both suffer from fairly poor facial likenesses. This is strange given the improvement of LJN figures during 1986. The Bulldogs were marketed with the tag-team belts and these stocky figures look quite good when paired together. Given that the Bulldogs were successful at Wrestlemania 2 the timing of these figures was perfect. LJN had captured the essence of tag-team wrestling in the Bulldogs, although production numbers of all tag-team sets was limited compared to that of the singles wrestlers.
This makes 1986 the key year in production of WWF figures. The success of 1984 & 1985 was the catalyst of the significantly expanded roster for 1986. LJN also dabbled with bendy wrestlers, a total set of 19, and the 12 thumb wrestlers. However distribution of the 1986 figures was less extensive which led to a subsequent decline in production runs in 1987.
At the end of 1986 the junior promoter now could amass a roster of 26 distinct wrestlers; 2 significant "real" variations in Steele & Andre; and 2 more moody Kirchners. 6 managers were available as well as an interviewee. A true completionist could have another 6 figures as tag-teams, given that the Bulldogs were never released as singles figures.
The roster consisted only 6 active singles' heels; Andre who had turned, Bundy, Orndorff who had turned and turned back, Piper, Muraco & Savage- the Intercontinental Champion. Studd and Funk were gone, Valentine, Beefcake, Shiek and Vokoff were established tag-team wrestlers and Jesse was restricted to colour; Barry O notwithstanding.
The face roster was no more substantial. Hogan as Heavyweight champ, JYD, Hillbilly, Steele, Steamboat, S.D., Kirchner who was going, and the Bulldogs who were tag-team competitors. Bruno had retired again to commentating and Snuka had gone.
That makes only 12 active singles wrestlers (excluding Kirchner) and 8 active tag-team wrestlers. The managers swelled the numbers but it was time for new blood; and LJN delivered. 1987 saw the production of the most varied and colourful series produced, with 17 distinct figures
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Post by ozz on Apr 26, 2016 6:47:50 GMT -5
Fun read
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Post by dorianslade on Apr 26, 2016 13:17:46 GMT -5
STOMWIJF? Is that you?
I'm 32 now. But when I was a teenager - I had dreams of having STOMWIJF's collection. Who am I joking, I still do...
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Apr 26, 2016 14:24:16 GMT -5
STOMWIJF? Is that you? I'm 32 now. But when I was a teenager - I had dreams of having STOMWIJF's collection. Who am I joking, I still do... No, the OP is Australian, our previous mod Stomwijf is Dutch.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 27, 2016 3:02:17 GMT -5
Thanks guys. There's only one instalment left as I stopped writing this (back in 1997) mid way through the 1987 LJN roster. I'm breaking it up so it is easier to read on devices rather than one long article. Any feedback is appreciated!
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Post by hh2trotts on Apr 28, 2016 12:56:45 GMT -5
Enjoyed reading those. was your mind blown when you found out that bulldogs came on individual cards?
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Post by kynjimmyvan on Apr 28, 2016 14:07:13 GMT -5
michaelc I might toss your article (with your permission) up onto my site, wwfljn.com.
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Post by michaelc on May 1, 2016 22:11:35 GMT -5
Thanks kynjimmyvan that's no problem. Like your site (great collection) and I have learned about some of the re-release black cards I didn't know existed. Can you ensure that the "from 1997 presented unedited and unrevised!)is included at the beginning at the end as in this digital age people often react to a single paragraph taken and shared out of context. And with historical errors included (such as the Bulldogs only being released as tag-team or George Steele with coloured chest hair existing) this can cause some confusion (and I'm always surprised how aggressively negative people can be when something is 'wrong'! - in their own minds at least) And hh2trotts, my mind was blown many a-time such as in 1993 when I learned that Bruno existed (I bought 10 figures that included some old guy I didn't immediately recognize) and even that good old SD Jones were figures. Back then we only knew what we knew by proof - and down here in Australia!!!! - well; we only got figures up to about mid 1987, and some sporadically at that. I only ever had Hogan (as new) and then Mean Gene ($2 discount) in the 1980s. Then I built my collection from about 1992. Also I never did find the US Express figures that I thought existed - must have imagined those ones!
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