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Post by attitudesback on May 5, 2016 17:50:40 GMT -5
Managing a one hour show targeted at the sort of people in the Full Sail crowd full of pre-made indy internet darlings is completely different to making 5 hours of TV a week that has to attract a general audience, worry about ratings, quarter-hour time slots etc. etc. But yeah, let's continue with the "DAE Vince bad guy!1!!11! hhh good11!!" So managing an intelligent show aimed at the highest common denominator of the audience is easier than booking what I'm seeing on Monday Nights? Goldust and Fandango for example is not exactly high art. I could argue that as far as pro wrestling goes, NXT is Jazz compared to the main roster being pop music. Now which one of those genres takes more talent and skill to create? Completely subjective opinion. I wouldn't call fans that desperately try and get themselves over, chanting "we are awesome" the "highest common denominator" of anything. Goldust and Fandango are comedy acts. Tye Dillinger isn't exactly high art. You picked a very bad example. AJ Styles is the best thing the WWE has right now, and he's on the main TV, main eventing the main shows. The main show WWE is putting on some fantastic programming, but people are so focused on "DAE vince old!! HHH good11"!" they just flock to NXT for some bizarre reason, thinking Vince has no input. Raw has to be booked differently because they're attracting different audiences.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on May 5, 2016 17:59:53 GMT -5
So managing an intelligent show aimed at the highest common denominator of the audience is easier than booking what I'm seeing on Monday Nights? Goldust and Fandango for example is not exactly high art. I could argue that as far as pro wrestling goes, NXT is Jazz compared to the main roster being pop music. Now which one of those genres takes more talent and skill to create? Completely subjective opinion. I wouldn't call fans that desperately try and get themselves over, chanting "we are awesome" the "highest common denominator" of anything. Goldust and Fandango are comedy acts. Tye Dillinger isn't exactly high art. You picked a very bad example. AJ Styles is the best thing the WWE has right now, and he's on the main TV, main eventing the main shows. The main show WWE is putting on some fantastic programming, but people are so focused on "DAE vince old!! HHH good11"!" they just flock to NXT for some bizarre reason, thinking Vince has no input. Raw has to be booked differently because they're attracting different audiences. Dillinger is jobber fodder, so that's your attempt to put down NXT? How about Joe/Balor or Nakamura Vs Zayn? The women's division of 2015. The we are awesome chant was more or less an isolated little chant. Speak in the product as a whole. On the whole without cherry picking, NXT is a classy wrestling product. NXT is putting out the same type of excellent match of the year candidates as ROH and NJPW. Two equally prestigious wrestling companies. The WWE has excellent matches too, but the presentation and booking doesn't do them justice a lot of the time and they aren't putting out as many MOTY candidates as NXT.
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Post by TurboEddie on May 5, 2016 18:06:03 GMT -5
Hard to believe.
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Post by attitudesback on May 5, 2016 19:02:19 GMT -5
Completely subjective opinion. I wouldn't call fans that desperately try and get themselves over, chanting "we are awesome" the "highest common denominator" of anything. Goldust and Fandango are comedy acts. Tye Dillinger isn't exactly high art. You picked a very bad example. AJ Styles is the best thing the WWE has right now, and he's on the main TV, main eventing the main shows. The main show WWE is putting on some fantastic programming, but people are so focused on "DAE vince old!! HHH good11"!" they just flock to NXT for some bizarre reason, thinking Vince has no input. Raw has to be booked differently because they're attracting different audiences. Dillinger is jobber fodder, so that's your attempt to put down NXT? How about Joe/Balor or Nakamura Vs Zayn? The women's division of 2015. The we are awesome chant was more or less an isolated little chant. Speak in the product as a whole. On the whole without cherry picking, NXT is a classy wrestling product. NXT is putting out the same type of excellent match of the year candidates as ROH and NJPW. Two equally prestigious wrestling companies. The WWE has excellent matches too, but the presentation and booking doesn't do them justice a lot of the time and they aren't putting out as many MOTY candidates as NXT. Mentioning Dillinger was in response to you mentioning Goldust and Fandango?? Picking the comedy acts is a bad representation. WWE selling out a 20k stadium with the tron and LED ring skirts etc all look way better than the 400 people that watch ROH live or the weird looking 'arena' NJPW seems to be taped in sometimes. They aren't all that prestigious. ROH isn't even on a good network and NJPW can't even get a good time slot in their own country. I personally prefer watching main event WWE over those shows. NXT is pretty good, but 2/3 squash matches a week just got so boring, so fast.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on May 5, 2016 19:38:23 GMT -5
NJPW isn't prestigious LOL?. Until you can make a legimate argument that the company that consistently puts on the most acclaimed wrestling shows every year isn't that prestigious, I have nothing to say to you.
I'm also not impressed by your theory that WWE's high production values equates to them putting out the best wrestling shows in the works, because that is what I mean by prestige.
I'll take the booking of the titles in all of the aforementioned companies than the WWE's horrible use of midcard titles.
WWE doesn't even use their own concepts to their maximum effect. King of The Ring anyone?
Money isn't the standard of excellence.
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Post by bigshab421 on May 6, 2016 11:25:25 GMT -5
The reason why NXT is far better than Raw/SD is because it is a concise and to the point show. It's not drawn out for three to five hours each week and they accomplish what needs to be accomplish in their allotted time.
Also NXT has shown extremely thought out character development, detailed and PERSONAL feuds, and most importantly spectacular in ring work. With the exception of in ring quality (to an extent) WWE main roster can't come close to NXT. That could be the result of over exposure of stars because of too much TV time, too many writers, 50/50 booking, whatever the cause may be, it is seriously holding WWE back from an explosive boom period.
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Post by AV1 on May 6, 2016 12:12:59 GMT -5
I like how NXT isn't over exposed. Only a one hour show and you see the majority of the roster once every second week, unlike Raw where you can see Roman Reigns in 3 segments throughout the night.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on May 6, 2016 12:24:07 GMT -5
Cause they're written by different people. Kevin Dunn and Vince run raw storylines and they get the final say on what we see on our screens. Triple H runs NXT alone (or at least he's the guy that decidedespite what we see on TV)
people bitch and complain about how Triple H is killing wrestling and in the same breath say NXT is better than raw.
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Post by bigshab421 on May 6, 2016 12:46:52 GMT -5
Cause they're written by different people. Kevin Dunn and Vince run raw storylines and they get the final say on what we see on our screens. Triple H runs NXT alone (or at least he's the guy that decidedespite what we see on TV) people bitch and complain about how Triple H is killing wrestling and in the same breath say NXT is better than raw. Ever since the emergence of NXT that train of thought is mostly gone. I RARELY hear fans complain about HHH "ruining wrestling.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on May 7, 2016 5:07:45 GMT -5
Cause they're written by different people. Kevin Dunn and Vince run raw storylines and they get the final say on what we see on our screens. Triple H runs NXT alone (or at least he's the guy that decidedespite what we see on TV) people bitch and complain about how Triple H is killing wrestling and in the same breath say NXT is better than raw. Ever since the emergence of NXT that train of thought is mostly gone. I RARELY hear fans complain about HHH "ruining wrestling. It's on here.. when he was world champion
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on May 7, 2016 8:03:30 GMT -5
Ever since the emergence of NXT that train of thought is mostly gone. I RARELY hear fans complain about HHH "ruining wrestling. It's on here.. when he was world champion That's silly because he was only world champion because of the injuries.
Surely it was better Reigns taking the belt of HHH instead of Rollins.
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Post by jakksking1 on May 7, 2016 8:51:21 GMT -5
I dont buy the excuse "5 hours of TV is harder to write for." When you have (legit) 19 writers and 60 wrestlers at your disposal, you have a lot to work with. NXT is better because it has actual storylines for every person on the roster. Actually has character development. It has long term payoffs, which don't exist in the WWE, where feuds last 3 months and the wrestlers fight 13 times on TV. NXT is at a distinct disadvantage. They lose their top talents 3-4 times a year, and still manage to keep things interesting. Its almost the exact formula of 1980s wrestling. Basic matches and build for their TV shows and the massive blowout at one of their few major events a year.
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Post by A-Rob on May 9, 2016 13:16:31 GMT -5
Simple, WWE is run by a 70 year old man who is out of touch and NXT is run by a 44 year old who sees the evolution of the business.
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Post by KPnDC on May 9, 2016 15:54:14 GMT -5
Everyone has pretty much summed it up. Much easier producing one hour of TV a week, compared to five.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2016 8:52:58 GMT -5
WWE/NXT have the the greatest talents in all of professional wrestling and there shows are trash. They have what was in like 2011
Tyler Black Jon Moxley Kevin Steen El Generico AJ Styles Doc Gallows Karl Anderson Samoa Joe Prince Devitt Shinsuke Nakamura Brodie Lee Claudio Castagnoli They had Bryan Danielson too
This is the most amazing time in pro wrestling and they are all misused.
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Post by marino13 on May 10, 2016 9:07:32 GMT -5
WWE/NXT have the the greatest talents in all of professional wrestling and there shows are trash. They have what was in like 2011 Tyler Black Jon Moxley Kevin Steen El Generico AJ Styles Doc Gallows Karl Anderson Samoa Joe Prince Devitt Shinsuke Nakamura Brodie Lee Claudio Castagnoli They had Bryan Danielson too This is the most amazing time in pro wrestling and they are all misused. There is already an identical thread on this exact subject. I'll move this there.
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