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Post by ThugSuperstar on May 12, 2016 23:15:53 GMT -5
He probably hurt his back from carrying Roman every week.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 23:17:56 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, I was unaware WWE was a business. By your original post I wouldn't doubt it Whatever douchebag |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on May 13, 2016 3:54:04 GMT -5
I don't know. Travel? They traveled A LOT. When the guys travel across the country then and now they fly. Back then they drove hundreds of miles to a show, then back the same day. I can't see where that's changed at all now, except today the wrestlers get a second day off. Also, I don't believe there are 2 or 3 shows done on weekends like they did back then. High risk moves today? You're absolutely correct. Bryan's career is over because of this. Edge did a handful of crazy ladder matches, but his matches were mostly tame.That said, they did superplexs and went over the top to the floor back then. Neville broke his foot with a baseball slide. Rollins lost his acl doing a rope assisted power bomb. I can't remember what put Orton or Cena or Bray out but they don't do high risk moves much, if ever anymore. To compound that, remember War Games? Back then they'd do that match every night for a month or two straight. Imagine the WWE doing the elimination chamber every night of their normal schedule for two straight weeks at house shows. That'd be insane. I don't have a response for the steroid use, other than yes, they did them and I can't see how that would prevent an injury. The big muscle men wrestled just as much as the jobbers that probably didn't take them. As for Arn, his career was cut short due to a neck injury, so it's not like they never got injured, but he wasn't talking just about himself and the horsemen, he was talking about wrestlers in general. And I can't remember guys getting hurt as much back then as they are currently. And he travels with them and works with them daily. He's putting this statement out while he's in the trenches and were speculating from home. I can't say for sure that he's right, but I think there might be some merit to his idea. Steroids stimulate muscle growth, which would include the healing of muscles. Unless you were a world or national champion or in WWE, you were working a territory. A Superplex to the floor is very dangerous, but in a different way. And is pretty obvious how dangerous it is. War Games every night for weeks, that never actually happened. That was Great American Bash tour in 1988 and there were 10 matches from late June to August. 6 of those matches happened night to night in 2 groupings (3 shows) and guys were switched in and out from night to night. Rollins landed funny off a Top Rope Sunset Flip Powerbomb in a Street Fight, on a house show. Cena, Cesaro, Itami, and Zayn all ripped muscles in their shoulders over time (hmmm). Bray badly twisted his ankle or something and should be back within a few weeks. Fair enough. I was misinformed on a couple things. The war games thing was maybe just steel cage matches regularly? I'll have to go double check. It's been a while since I heard the interviews with these stories. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 7:44:55 GMT -5
Chris Jericho, Batista, Ric Flair, etc. I am not saying there aren't guys that enjoy it, but there are quite a few big names that aren't fans. Ultimate Warrior, Goldberg, Undertaker, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, Sting, Michelle McCool, and AJ Lee are also on the list of disliking house shows. lol well I'm not surprised about Taker as he probably wasn't a big fan of duct taping a flak jacket around his broken ribs before going and doing house shows. Who could blame him on that |
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Post by k5 on May 13, 2016 16:25:49 GMT -5
i really hope he recovers and manages to have some good runs. great talent that is only now getting to fully shine.
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Post by Rob on May 13, 2016 17:23:55 GMT -5
House shows are dumb. WWE really needs to cut back on them. Its just WWE trying to shake every little penny out of their fans pocket and nothing more. Save the house shows for the lower end guys and save the top guys for Raw/PPVs, where they need them most. Rollins getting injured in some stupid throwaway house show and  ing up their whole Road To Wrestlemania plans was not needed. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on May 13, 2016 18:35:41 GMT -5
House shows are dumb. WWE really needs to cut back on them. Its just WWE trying to shake every little penny out of their fans pocket and nothing more. Save the house shows for the lower end guys and save the top guys for Raw/PPVs, where they need them most. Rollins getting injured in some stupid throwaway house show and ing up their whole Road To Wrestlemania plans was not needed. Without top guys on house shows, they won't sale as much tickets. IMO, the wrestlers should just slow down their wrestling style during the house shows. Vince isn't gonna cut down on a few house shows. Less house shows = less money for Vince. Can he cut down on a few and still make a profit? Of course he can, but he wants to make as much profit as possible. Is it fair for the wrestlers? No, but they're making money and they knew what they got themselves into when they signed with Vince. It's not like Vince went up to them and was like, "Oh no, you won't have to work all these days" and then a day or two later was like, "Yeah, you're gonna work all these house shows whether you want to or not". I understand why you believe house shows are unnecessarily, but I sorta understand how Vince runs his business, and I doubt it's going to change after HHH and Stephanie run the company. |
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Post by debotuff on May 13, 2016 20:09:56 GMT -5
I wish the house shows were able to be watched in wwe network...idk why they dont...it's their network. ..it will definitely boost the network ratings im sure. ..I know ide watch them
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Post by Rob on May 13, 2016 20:35:47 GMT -5
House shows are dumb. WWE really needs to cut back on them. Its just WWE trying to shake every little penny out of their fans pocket and nothing more. Save the house shows for the lower end guys and save the top guys for Raw/PPVs, where they need them most. Rollins getting injured in some stupid throwaway house show and ing up their whole Road To Wrestlemania plans was not needed. Without top guys on house shows, they won't sale as much tickets. IMO, the wrestlers should just slow down their wrestling style during the house shows. Vince isn't gonna cut down on a few house shows. Less house shows = less money for Vince. Can he cut down on a few and still make a profit? Of course he can, but he wants to make as much profit as possible. Is it fair for the wrestlers? No, but they're making money and they knew what they got themselves into when they signed with Vince. It's not like Vince went up to them and was like, "Oh no, you won't have to work all these days" and then a day or two later was like, "Yeah, you're gonna work all these house shows whether you want to or not". I understand why you believe house shows are unnecessarily, but I sorta understand how Vince runs his business, and I doubt it's going to change after HHH and Stephanie run the company. At the very least, If they need to have top guys on the card, Then they should have the least risk involvement possible. Put them in a tag match and let them have a hot tag, do a few moves and move onto the next show. Everyone wins, The top guys are protected, The undercard/low end card guys get main event exposure and Vince makes his money. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on May 13, 2016 20:45:55 GMT -5
Without top guys on house shows, they won't sale as much tickets. IMO, the wrestlers should just slow down their wrestling style during the house shows. Vince isn't gonna cut down on a few house shows. Less house shows = less money for Vince. Can he cut down on a few and still make a profit? Of course he can, but he wants to make as much profit as possible. Is it fair for the wrestlers? No, but they're making money and they knew what they got themselves into when they signed with Vince. It's not like Vince went up to them and was like, "Oh no, you won't have to work all these days" and then a day or two later was like, "Yeah, you're gonna work all these house shows whether you want to or not". I understand why you believe house shows are unnecessarily, but I sorta understand how Vince runs his business, and I doubt it's going to change after HHH and Stephanie run the company. At the very least, If they need to have top guys on the card, Then they should have the least risk involvement possible. Put them in a tag match and let them have a hot tag, do a few moves and move onto the next show. Everyone wins, The top guys are protected, The undercard/low end card guys get main event exposure and Vince makes his money. Um yes, they absolutely need to have top guys on house shows in order to get fans to buy, and I doubt fans would want to see "AJ Styles & Fandango vs. Tyler Breeze & Kevin Owens" just so that the lower card guys can get "main event exposure". Let's just agree to disagree that the house show schedule will never change no matter what injuries happen. This is the system that Vince has used since the 80's, it's not going away anytime soon |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on May 13, 2016 20:51:33 GMT -5
I wish the house shows were able to be watched in wwe network...idk why they dont...it's their network. ..it will definitely boost the network ratings im sure. ..I know ide watch them I would love if they aired a lot of their international house shows. The regular house shows in the states, eh. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on May 13, 2016 22:32:51 GMT -5
WWE really needs to cut down the number of house shows. Yeah, it makes them some more money, but they are drawing lower and lower numbers, most of the injuries in the past year have occurred on them, and the talent don't like doing them (for the most part). I've always heard wrestlers say they love house shows. More often than not it seems. I would suspect the ones who don't like them probably aren't good enough to tell a competent story to a crowd so they resort to ridiculous high spots that can lead to injury. I could be completely wrong. Just my 2 pennies Edit I'm not calling Styles, or anyone out at all. I guess it was more of a general thought. I'm an AJ fan and I hope he's not injured bad or nagging enough for him to miss significant time. I think a lot of the guys prefer them because they don't have to deal with creative. |
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Post by Midnight on May 16, 2016 16:50:17 GMT -5
I really really hope it's nothing serious and he can recover fast. He's my favorite and I don't want to see him injured.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 16, 2016 18:56:05 GMT -5
He probably hurt his back from carrying Roman every week. Have you enjoyed watching their work together? |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 18:59:50 GMT -5
He probably hurt his back from carrying Roman every week. Have you enjoyed watching their work together? Remember, he only read about it online. Cause he quit watching the second CM Punk left. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 6:27:29 GMT -5
WWE really needs to cut down the number of house shows. Yeah, it makes them some more money, but they are drawing lower and lower numbers, most of the injuries in the past year have occurred on them, and the talent don't like doing them (for the most part). Did anyone see the table for 3 horsemen edition from a few weeks ago? Arn Anderson talks about how today's wrestlers have too much off time and that their bodies never really get in "ring shape" and that's where he thinks the injuries are coming from. I'd like to hear from some other older wrestlers about this thought process, but the theory sounds plausible. THIS. In the 80s, they regularly wrestled an intense house show circuit and would usually go out with the intention of tearing the house down with a main event caliber match to headline a non-televised show. Sometimes multiple times in a day, let alone every day. Flair, Sting, Steamboat, Luger, they would wrestle up to 60 minutes every night, with and without injuries. These days the routines are so strictly choreographed, the pace is so high tempo, it's so easy for something to go wrong. WWE taking it easy at a house show usually means they doss, pose and pander to the audience far too much. This doesn't help manage the body if they are still fighting at a high tempo in between the pandering. That's what breeds injury. I think it's down to the road agents and the workers themselves to structure their house show matches in a way that helps preserve their bodies, slowing the pace, which doesn't leave the audience feeling robbed of action. Nobody wants to see a rest hold sleeper fest, but patented suicide dives and other risky moves aren't a requirement. Routines can be easily dummed down to cater for the workers, a dive to the outside and a top rope finisher can be avoided. Finding that balance between slowing down the action and reducing the "playful" element of non-televised shows would heighten the quality, decrease the chance of injury, and make the house show circuit something worth being a part of. |
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Post by Sleazyness on May 17, 2016 14:27:32 GMT -5
So, DDP Yoga doesn't work?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 14:31:11 GMT -5
Have you enjoyed watching their work together? Remember, he only read about it online. Cause he quit watching the second CM Punk left. Why do I drink things while reading this board. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 17, 2016 16:18:48 GMT -5
I wish the house shows were able to be watched in wwe network...idk why they dont...it's their network. ..it will definitely boost the network ratings im sure. ..I know ide watch them Because it would be hugely expensive to broadcast the house shows, and it would be dull because the matches repeat all the time -- same lineups, same finishes etc. |
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