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Post by knupmc on Jul 14, 2016 8:26:32 GMT -5
I was pumped when he returned but I feel he's lost momentum. Hasn't really done anything significant since he returned.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 14, 2016 9:34:20 GMT -5
I just don't think the talking game is ever going to be there for Cesaro. He really lacks the confidence and the comfort to carry talking segments. I think he's perfect for a long run with the IC Title but he's a transitional World Champion at best imo. I don't think he'll ever get the opportunity but even if he does I think it'll be a short run and the internet will just be pissed. I think his whole deal with the suit is the most interesting he's ever been as a solo act in WWE. He's all work rate though.
I don't want to say never. With two world titles I think it's totally possible he becomes champion on Smackdown. That being said, I think you'll look over on Raw and someone like Reigns or Cena will be champion at the same time since we know how that whole deal works. A manager or a valet should be a game changer for him. Unfortunately, we've seen him used totally incorrectly with both of those already. If Heyman would have positioned Cesaro the same way he positions Brock, I think Cesaro could be a former World Champion already. He's got a missing element to his game imo.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 14, 2016 10:55:29 GMT -5
Good tag team guy. Awful singles guy. His awkwardness is fascinating though. Why does he walk like Khali?
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 14, 2016 11:26:53 GMT -5
With smackdown going live and possibly getting it's own world title I could see Cesaro winning the big one. With 1 world title he didn't have a chance Imo, but with 2 world titles guys like him, Ziggler, Owens will become world champion within the next 2/3 years
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 14, 2016 11:32:51 GMT -5
He is great and I believe he should be the IC Champion right now, especially since it looks like they are about to give the title to someone like Darren Young.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 11:34:52 GMT -5
The removable suit gimmick has really changed my opinion of him, it makes him stand out and feel special... now I could see him as a world champion for sure... he should win the royal rumble next year, rumble should be used to elevate guys on the brink, take them to the next level and Cesaro would be perfect, keep his promos basic he really doesn't need to say a lot for me. Maybe a Bond girl type women alongside him would be cool haha but yeah love him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 11:38:13 GMT -5
They need to kill the James Bond stuff. When has he ever done anything Bond like?
He's fantastic, he just hasn't found his character yet. Thank god he isn't yodeling anymore.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 14, 2016 11:44:13 GMT -5
The talent is there. The look is there. The mic skills are okay. I still think he could reach the top eventually. But I'm not one of those people who think everyone has to pushed immediately or they are being buried. The draft will be interesting for him. Assuming each show has it's own personality. If he ends up on the more technical roster, he'll be fine. If he ends up on the roster with the glitz & glam, he's gonna be screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 11:58:40 GMT -5
I've enjoyed his work for years. I'm not a fan of his promos, he just seems uncomfortable, IMO. Overall, I'd like to see him get a big push and have a run with the belt. He has a great look.
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Post by Midnight on Jul 14, 2016 11:59:38 GMT -5
He is incredibly talented. Hopefully with the brand split he will be in the main event picture and maybe become a world champion.
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Post by k5 on Jul 14, 2016 12:12:05 GMT -5
paul heyman used to take sub par talents and push them to get the absolute best performances out of them out of and in the ring. it's wwe that has failed cesaro, not the other way around. if they legitimately can't write a single thing that actually applies to cesaro as a person and instead shake him off to some weird james bond action guy gimmick, then of course it's not going to connect fully with the audience - it's not connecting with him.
wwe creative needs to wake up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 12:36:49 GMT -5
paul heyman used to take sub par talents and push them to get the absolute best performances out of them out of and in the ring. it's wwe that has failed cesaro, not the other way around. if they legitimately can't write a single thing that actually applies to cesaro as a person and instead shake him off to some weird james bond action guy gimmick, then of course it's not going to connect fully with the audience - it's not connecting with him. wwe creative needs to wake up. Well Val Venis wasn't a porn star, he was a politics man and he made the gimmick work, I don't know what cesaro is like in real life but has been giving a cool gimmick imo, i mean James Bond is cool, my dads a casual fan and cesaro is one of his favourites because of the bond gimmick and removable suit lol I don't really know what else you think WWE creative can do for him? Would you change his gimmick again and to what ?
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Post by k5 on Jul 14, 2016 12:45:10 GMT -5
paul heyman used to take sub par talents and push them to get the absolute best performances out of them out of and in the ring. it's wwe that has failed cesaro, not the other way around. if they legitimately can't write a single thing that actually applies to cesaro as a person and instead shake him off to some weird james bond action guy gimmick, then of course it's not going to connect fully with the audience - it's not connecting with him. wwe creative needs to wake up. Well Val Venis wasn't a porn star, he was a politics man and he made the gimmick work, I don't know what cesaro is like in real life but has been giving a cool gimmick imo, i mean James Bond is cool, my dads a casual fan and cesaro is one of his favourites because of the bond gimmick and removable suit lol I don't really know what else you think WWE creative can do for him? Would you change his gimmick again and to what ? the late 90s was a time of sex and scandal. of course a porn star would go over. same with the godfather...who was an average performer at best. but good examples nonetheless, fair point. what would i do? i would sit down with cesaro and try and get an understanding of him, something us wwe fans struggle with as he clearly struggles to present himself in his current character. i'd take in his character traits and see what would work. i'd analyze his promo work to see if he could improve when emotionally encouraged, or if he did indeed conclusively need a mouth piece. essentially, i'd INVEST time in getting to know the wrestler since by all means and purposes he is an INVESTMENT on the wwe's part - they're sacrificing time and money advertising this character in their matches. why not properly invest? look at his original us title run. he could do the whole 'i talk 5 languages' promo really well imo, was a destroyer, and seemed to be rising up the ranks. he seemed a lot more comfortable as that character than where they took him following the andre battle royal win and after. it is the wwe that fumbled him, not him. you can't have a personality without a character...he's lost and it's up to the booker/writer/whatever to help him find it. being 'that guy that gives extra energy in matches who is smiley and seemingly perpetually in the ic title rankings' hasn't done a damn thing for him other than help him keep the fans he already had due to his in ring work.
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Post by Chip on Jul 14, 2016 12:52:03 GMT -5
He is hands down the most talented IN RING competitor this company has. There are loads of guys with amazing talent, don't get me wrong...but the things that Cesaro does inside a ring and the way he executes every single move even down to pinfalls with perfection is hard to accomplish. Even I find myself wondering how the hell he got so good.
The guy has a natural likability because of this. Wrestling fans who truly appreciate what wrestling is see how well he does it and just go "that guy is good, i like him"
He's never been given a proper opportunity to do anything to connect with the casual audience. The closest they had was him winning the battle royal and pairing with Heyman but the WWE's agenda with that was ONLY to keep Heyman on TV to plug Brock Lesnar so it was a complete waste. I've been to Ring of Honor shows where every person in attendance would "HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY" along with Claudio. I've seen his ability to keep a crowd on the edge of their seat when he almost won the ROH world title against Morishima
He's a perfect example of a guy who has been left behind by the current state of the WWE's god-awful excuse of a "creative" team....and the bigger picture, Vince McMahon who sees him merely as a player but not anything more. The fact he's had only 2 title reigns in his 4 year tenure is unfortunate. As he could have been an anchor to either the US or IC title for a good portion of it.
He's still on the younger side (35), he could still have a good 5-7 years or more because he clearly takes care of himself. I'm hoping they realize what they have in Claudio. While I never expect him to be a multi-time WWE champion carrying the company on his back or whatever it would still be a nice story to tell of him never getting the big one finally overcoming that and being a pure-wrestling champion for a good reign.
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Post by BaLoR RoLLiNS on Jul 14, 2016 13:03:54 GMT -5
Now with two shows. Put him on SD. Get into an interesting feud against a World champ AJ. Even if for a month I could see Cesaro as champ
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 13:22:09 GMT -5
Cesaro is one of the only reasons I still watch WWE. I remember when he had Aksana by his side and I used to be excited to see them both, they paired very well. However, Cesaro definitely does not need anybody to help carry him out and should have been a world champion by now.
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Post by ohernan6 on Jul 14, 2016 13:33:42 GMT -5
He's all around great, but that stupid neck crank he does before he hits his finisher is so annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 13:46:00 GMT -5
Well Val Venis wasn't a porn star, he was a politics man and he made the gimmick work, I don't know what cesaro is like in real life but has been giving a cool gimmick imo, i mean James Bond is cool, my dads a casual fan and cesaro is one of his favourites because of the bond gimmick and removable suit lol I don't really know what else you think WWE creative can do for him? Would you change his gimmick again and to what ? the late 90s was a time of sex and scandal. of course a porn star would go over. same with the godfather...who was an average performer at best. but good examples nonetheless, fair point. what would i do? i would sit down with cesaro and try and get an understanding of him, something us wwe fans struggle with as he clearly struggles to present himself in his current character. i'd take in his character traits and see what would work. i'd analyze his promo work to see if he could improve when emotionally encouraged, or if he did indeed conclusively need a mouth piece. essentially, i'd INVEST time in getting to know the wrestler since by all means and purposes he is an INVESTMENT on the wwe's part - they're sacrificing time and money advertising this character in their matches. why not properly invest? look at his original us title run. he could do the whole 'i talk 5 languages' promo really well imo, was a destroyer, and seemed to be rising up the ranks. he seemed a lot more comfortable as that character than where they took him following the andre battle royal win and after. it is the wwe that fumbled him, not him. you can't have a personality without a character...he's lost and it's up to the booker/writer/whatever to help him find it. being 'that guy that gives extra energy in matches who is smiley and seemingly perpetually in the ic title rankings' hasn't done a damn thing for him other than help him keep the fans he already had due to his in ring work. Yeah your right, I agree the deep investment clearly isn't there... to me, yeh I'm cool with the bond gimmick but he does seem to come across as someone who has trained to just be a technical wrestler , Not a superstar, compare him to Enzo Amore, clearly cesaro is a better technical wrestler but Enzo is just perfect for the WWE because of his character. Does cesaro even know what he is himself , surely he's pitched some character ideas to creative over these 6 years or however long he's been here? Compare him to Owens, Owens knows who and what he is from the minute he walked in and just plays it and it feels real. I just think cesaro isn't a character he's a just a normal fella who is a great technical wrestler lol although I believe this bond gimmick has the potential. He Doesnt need to talk much give him a catchphrase and be like a quiet assassin lol, the more big matches you give him the more fans will support him along with the cesaro section.. just putting him up then down then back up then down again doesn't help him or anyone. They need to properly push more people than just reigns or we will never know what they can achieve
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Post by Epic Z on Jul 14, 2016 18:09:09 GMT -5
He's cool in the ring but he still doesn't connect with me on the WWE platform yet.
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 14, 2016 18:14:29 GMT -5
I was a big fan of his on the indies & still am today. I think he's one of the guys that should really have the time to shine with the brand split (key word: SHOULD). As long as he can maintain a connection with the fans, he SHOULD be fine.
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