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Post by k5 on Jul 17, 2016 19:32:32 GMT -5
i just do not understand how people go around spouting who is or isn't on steroids when they've never bothered to...you know...educate themselves on the topic.
big e not on steroids?
lol
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 17, 2016 22:21:06 GMT -5
A banned substance is a banned substance? I think he would face the same penalties as others. As far as I know the USADA does not release what a fighter tests positive for. Thats why Jon Jones' results are still..... They legally cannot release what he tested positive for, as far as I know, unless the fighter gives them written permission to. But I will say this - if it winds up coming out to be true that Brock only failed a drug test because of his asthma inhaler, it is going to make both the USADA and UFC look like complete fools for overreacting way too early. Even if it is an asthma inhaler...are they saying it triggered a false positive or are they saying it IS a banned substance? It doesnt sound like its an inhaler. Evidently the Nevada Fight Commission is leveling a fine of 50-75% of Lesnar's purse. A fine that high is due to PEDs. If it is PEDs....Lesnar will be suspended for 2 years more than likely. Absolutely. Is what it is. But Brock deserves the same was Reigns. If you really want to get technical, I think since WWE released such a joke of a statement basically saying his violation is during his "off time" and they arent concerned with it.....his scheduled return date of SS should be day 1 of his 30 day suspension. Whats the sense of punishing a guy for 30 days during a time he wasnt performing for you anyway? WWE basically confirmed their wellness policy is a joke....something the rest of the world already knew. 1000% disagree. While Brock is a name that brought credibility and some crossover appeal....he does not have the drawing power of someone like The Rock. WWE will be just fine if Brock went back to his shed in Canada tomorrow and bailed hay, milked some cows and Benoited his family. Agreed on Brock and Rock. Cena has been rumored to be on roids for years. I doubt it. I give him the benefit of the doubt. He was a body builder before and was ridiculously shredded and never got popped. Cesaro is ing strong...but dude doesnt look one bit like he is on roids. If he was, Cesaro would be ridiculously huge. I have no proof, but guys like Ryback and Big E do seem to have some step up. I dont want to point the finger at them cuz I honestly do not know. And in the 1980s they were used for the EXACT reason you said. However the dangers of anabolic steroids came to light and the govt. put the kabosh on it. We now understand what the prolonged use of steroids can do to your body. We are talking kidney failure, liver damage and more common than all....enlarged heart, high blood pressure and high cholestorol which leads to heart failure or even stroke. That and now we have all the information coming out on how they mess with your head. Competitive sports are known, even those with helmets, of having head trauma. Combine that with the affects of roids....you get a possible Benoit situation or maybe a Junior Seau situation. There are safer ways to treat these issues. One of which, which is also illegal, is marijuana. Marijuana has been known to provide pain relief and its not addicting. In addition, you are literally talking about a plant from the earth that is being smoked vs. harmful chemicals. It can be taxed and as you have seen in states like Colorado, supply a surplus of tax revenue that the govt. can balance their books and still have money left over to return to the tax paying citizens. States are turning to the federal govt. because they cannot stay afloat and yet there is a simple solution. I think if you saw more and more states legalize it....you would find more professional sporting companies adjusting their rules. Marijuana is still considered a dirty word and is seen as a "gateway drug". The fact is alcohol is 100X more dangerous than weed. Excellent idea. Only one problem. 30 contract dates? Lesnar probably would be dead before that suspension would be over. You hit the nail on the head with how bizarre it is. 1 test is a fail but the other 4 in the 2 weeks before the fight were passes? Results come out 1 day AFTER UFC is sold for $4 billion? Jones test back in time to be pulled, but not Brock's? It smells like and I hope I am wrong, UFC sat on this feeling that 200 would completely bomb if Conner was pulled, Jones pulled 2 days before the fight and then Lesnar pulled. 3 main events squashed. The main event, lone main event, is a woman's fight that does not feature Rousey? The undercard that has been extremely glossed over though was a solid card having really no time to build? I have NO belief in this story. Sounds like utter BS. If this was the issue, its so simple and so explainable that Lesnar could have gotten in front of this right away. He would not need to stay silent nor would need a B sample test. Also, why hop online and call yourself D2 if its something so innocent and explainable. Why not have your PR team, UFC PR team, WWE PR team, etc. getting in front of this and making Lesnar almost the victim of all this. Only Lesnar fans and the sheep are defending him. Some of the stuff I have read is downright laughable. "What makes the USADA the all supreme when he has never failed a WWE test?" "They just trying to bring the man down." "Kevin Sullivan did it." Quite possibly the most ignorant post on all of WF right here by CM. I'm just going to leave this alone before my head explodes. From not understanding how drug test and half lives of drugs work, to not understanding b2 agonists and how tests can't detect the difference in b2 agonists, to fox news misconceptions of steroids, their side effects, what they do, and their mechanism of action (how they work), to not understating PR, to trying to make a joke out of a murder/suicide, then all the way to not understanding what CTE Is and how it effects the brain and actions of people. My god. I'm out. I was just gonna say "I aim to please." But none of these quotes are the one I thought people would bitch about. Exactly what is ignorant here? If you think weed is more dangerous than alcohol, you clearly know nothing about weed nor alcohol. My defense of marijuana comes from someone who does not and has not smoked weed too. So dont think I am a pothead. I think its a smart idea for you to bow out. Not understand PR? I used to be a public relations rep. for a major national insurance company. Try again. As far as CTE or the drug testing, I admit my knowledge is based off of what I have read online and seen reported in the news. I dont study it nor have I done anything for a living that involves it. So if this is a field you work in, I'd be happy to listen to your opinions. "As previously reported, Brock Lesnar was recently flagged by USADA for a possible anti-doping violation following his UFC 200 fight against Mark Hunt.
It is currently unknown what may have triggered Lesnar's recent test to become positive; however, according to one of Lesnar's training teammates, who identified himself only as "D2" in an online forum, the culprit is a simple asthma inhaler that Lesnar must take at certain times during the year.
Below are the comments that were offered by "D2":"Brock suffers from what's called RAD, otherwise known as reactive airway disease. His doctor for years has prescribed him Advair Diskus (an inhaler), which helps him breathe during the late spring and summer months here in Minnesota when he has episodes. This drug is classified as Beta-2 Agonists. So this is why he got popped by USADA. It's really just a formality though, because he should of been given a TUE just like people do who have ADHD and take Adderall that fight in the UFC, or other pain killers for injuries. He passed the other 7 tests and was not using any GH or Anabolic agents of any kind which everyone is assuming." Update: A moderator from Sherdog.com, the origin of the post, is saying that the person is trolling: The guy who started this thread is trolling. None of his IPs are in Minnesota, in fact, all of the IPs he has ever posted from are in one state, many states away from Minnesota. Interesting and not surprising.
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Post by k5 on Jul 17, 2016 22:47:52 GMT -5
mark hunt is saying that he'll quit the ufc if brock isn't properly punished. he also wants half of brock's purse for the fight.
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Post by drifter on Jul 17, 2016 23:13:43 GMT -5
mark hunt is saying that he'll quit the ufc if brock isn't properly punished. he also wants half of brock's purse for the fight.[/b] I heard that he now wants all of Brock's purse for the fight.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 17, 2016 23:24:58 GMT -5
mark hunt is saying that he'll quit the ufc if brock isn't properly punished. he also wants half of brock's purse for the fight.[/b] I heard that he now wants all of Brock's purse for the fight.[/quote] Brock needs to pull a Bobby Hill then.
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Post by Edge618 on Jul 17, 2016 23:38:02 GMT -5
Ive seen fighters fail for inhalers. The subtance in them is banned, but if u have a prescription its usually ok. It would be a suspension and illegal if Lesnar ws buying inhalers from someone and using them. But im sure its a prescription. Inhalers are the easiest script ever. If thats what he popped for, he should be fine
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Post by Word™ on Jul 18, 2016 0:40:55 GMT -5
i just do not understand how people go around spouting who is or isn't on steroids when they've never bothered to...you know...educate themselves on the topic. big e not on steroids? lol Are you still riding that high horse? You must be so proud of your infinite knowledge on illegal drug usage.
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Post by ZDB on Jul 18, 2016 0:45:43 GMT -5
What I don't get is why these guys don't report every single legal prescription to the UFC and USADA
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 3:32:56 GMT -5
What I don't get is why these guys don't report every single legal prescription to the UFC and USADA It might just be a case where they forget to mention it. When you think of a potential failure on a drugs test, Inhalers don't really spring to mind.
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Post by Word™ on Jul 18, 2016 3:39:25 GMT -5
Keyword is "potential"... I didn't hear that for Jon Jones.. I've rarely ever heard the word "potential drug use" after a drug screening..
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Post by cableV on Jul 18, 2016 6:13:02 GMT -5
Keyword is "potential"... I didn't hear that for Jon Jones.. I've rarely ever heard the word "potential drug use" after a drug screening.. They used "potential" for Jones. They use "potential" for everyone until the B Sample is tested. If the B Sample comes up positive, then it's no longer "potential".
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Post by k5 on Jul 18, 2016 9:11:49 GMT -5
i just do not understand how people go around spouting who is or isn't on steroids when they've never bothered to...you know...educate themselves on the topic. big e not on steroids? lol Are you still riding that high horse? You must be so proud of your infinite knowledge on illegal drug usage. i came into this thread to discuss the topic at hand, not have some silly personal issue with you. i get that you have nothing to argue whatsoever and have to resort to insults, but just take some time to realize that no amount of insults from you is going to change the fact that less than a week ago you were adamantly claiming brock had never used, despite not knowing a damn thing on the subject. pretty funny.
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Post by ZDB on Jul 18, 2016 10:53:52 GMT -5
What I don't get is why these guys don't report every single legal prescription to the UFC and USADA It might just be a case where they forget to mention it. When you think of a potential failure on a drugs test, Inhalers don't really spring to mind. You'd still think they'd be smart enough to report everything
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 10:57:15 GMT -5
It might just be a case where they forget to mention it. When you think of a potential failure on a drugs test, Inhalers don't really spring to mind. You'd still think they'd be smart enough to report everything Well...yes and no. I had an Inhaler a few years ago, but was taking several different meds at the time too (I was very, very sick) and I went for Hospital appointment and remembered to list everything except for the Inhaler, because I just didn't think about it at the time.
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Post by ZDB on Jul 18, 2016 10:58:42 GMT -5
You'd still think they'd be smart enough to report everything Well...yes and no. I had an Inhaler a few years ago, but was taking several different meds at the time too (I was very, very sick) and I went for Hospital appointment and remembered to list everything except for the Inhaler, because I just didn't think about it at the time. True, but if you were getting paid 2.5 mil you'd probably list it all lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 10:59:55 GMT -5
Well...yes and no. I had an Inhaler a few years ago, but was taking several different meds at the time too (I was very, very sick) and I went for Hospital appointment and remembered to list everything except for the Inhaler, because I just didn't think about it at the time. True, but if you were getting paid 2.5 mil you'd probably list it all lol True. I'd probably write them all down in that case.
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 18, 2016 12:44:24 GMT -5
While I want to believe that this is either a false positive or an honest mistake/very questionable substance that isn't strictly a performance enhancer, I am of the opinion that "I didn't know what I was putting in my body" or "this has to be a tainted sample" is complete baloney. These professional athletes have spent their entire adult lives fine-tuning their bodies to the point of near-physical perfection using mountains of nutritional supplements... when you get caught, just admit you did something you knew you shouldn't have and move on.
When you're getting paid millions upon millions of dollars you should be held to the highest possible standards and accept full responsibility for your actions.
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Post by J12 on Jul 18, 2016 12:56:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain we're going to find out what he got popped for. The fight occurred in Nevada, so, a public hearing will be held on the matter.
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Post by sitruC on Jul 18, 2016 13:21:53 GMT -5
I hope it's nothing serious, I was looking forward to Lesnar vs Orton.
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Post by Word™ on Jul 18, 2016 20:16:13 GMT -5
Are you still riding that high horse? You must be so proud of your infinite knowledge on illegal drug usage. i came into this thread to discuss the topic at hand, not have some silly personal issue with you. i get that you have nothing to argue whatsoever and have to resort to insults, but just take some time to realize that no amount of insults from you is going to change the fact that less than a week ago you were adamantly claiming brock had never used, despite not knowing a damn thing on the subject. pretty funny. And then I had no problem admitting that if I didn't know a proper fact, I was wrong and proven wrong.. You're the one that continued to gloat and act in such a smug manner.. I didn't argue with you, I didn't try to do somersaults in proving myself to be right, I looked over your video and admitted you were right.. And you were so damn happy about it that even after someone respectfully agreed with you, you danced and rubbed it in my face like a poor winner. And then come in here basking in all of this knowledge continuing to put others down that might not be as informed on the topic. You know something, others don't, so make sure you look down upon those instead of talking and teaching them.. You're just a sour person in general.. That's my issue with you.. This has nothing to do with you proving me wrong and teaching me something right.. But has EVERYTHING to do with your reaction towards that fact.
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