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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 10:36:40 GMT -5
Alright peace out folks!! There's smth I Need to ask!! What exactly was the appeal of Finn balor.. Have seen his matches from nxt, all I see was overcoming, tons of drop kicking and foot stomping.. And the ever lasting overhype background stories of coming from outside of wwe realm.. Dude wasn't even on styles or Seth level.. At least not yet..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 10:36:46 GMT -5
Let's talk about how refreshing Corey Graves was on commentary. He moved up without skipping a beat. Corey Graves is legit my favourite announcer in WWE right now. Going to miss him in NXT though: "Come on Cory! Dance with the beat!" "No! Not until I know why this man is called Jose, and why people keeping saying No Way to him."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 10:38:36 GMT -5
I never once considered Roman the underdog I always just considerd him the Powerhouse that beats the crap out of people that gets in his way.Just like Seth and Finn I didn't expect them to constantly lose matches and if they did it would be a very Rare so I don't consider them underdogs etither.Like if Alicia fox had a match against Sasha then I would consider Alicia the underdog because she is expected to lose.I mean you can say Sasha has been getting superman booking too because she's beaten everyone on the roster and never took a clean lost until 2 weeks ago in a handicap match. And I'm sure had Roman not done what he did he would've still took the L last night battleground.Just like how he lost a MITB to Seth. It really seems like you can't grasp what superman booking is. It's not just someone who wins a lot. It's how you win. Yes, Sasha Banks has never been pinned one on one, but if you think her matches are superman booking, then you're wrong. Same went for Daniel Bryan, Charlotte, Seth Rollins or anyone else that recently won a lot of matches. Reigns gets Cena treatment or more, which I think is what hurts him with the the fans the most, because truth be told, the dude can go in the ring. And I'm sure had Roman not done what he did, he wouldn't have eaten three clean pins in the span on five weeks. He had never been pinned clean beforehand. That's not a coincidence. Either way, I'm done with this conversation. Let's not try an put a damper on what was the best Raw in years. Yup your absolutely right I don't know what superman booking is I don't know a clue about wrestling and I'm just a fan like you who wants to state my opinion on things.So thanks Congrats to Seth and Finn!!!
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Post by tiny04 on Jul 26, 2016 10:42:32 GMT -5
Let's talk about how refreshing Corey Graves was on commentary. He moved up without skipping a beat. Corey Graves is legit my favourite announcer in WWE right now. Going to miss him in NXT though: "Come on Cory! Dance with the beat!" "No! Not until I know why this man is called Jose, and why people keeping saying No Way to him." "Who is this Jose and why is he always being denied?" was one of his lines that I thought was amazing.
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Post by J12 on Jul 26, 2016 10:51:45 GMT -5
I was never the biggest fan of the Roman Reigns push but it's pretty damn hypocritical to pretend there is a difference here. Roman Reigns was on television for three years before being given a main event push towards the championship. Finn Balor has been on television for a cup of damn coffee and being pushed towards the championship. That seems to really fall under those "too fast" and "too soon" guidelines that people were tossing around about Roman Reigns. Everyone hated that Roman Reigns was viewed as "unbeatable" but Finn Balor won both of his matches tonight. How do you not view someone like that as unbeatable? Finn can obviously lose matches between now and SummerSlam when he faces Seth Rollins but until this happens.. he's just as "unbeatable" as Roman Reigns. He's come onto the main roster with two victories on his debut and is in RAW's main event of one of the four big pay-per-view events. That sounds like some of the same s*** people complained about Roman Reigns for. Roman was Vince's guy and Finn is Triple H's guy. It's the same thing. The only difference is that Finn hasn't been around long enough for him to be shoved down people's throat. Then again.. most people here would simply swallow and ask for another round. This is a bit of a black and white approach. The Roman Reigns situation is, and always has been, an entirely gray canvas. There are plenty of reasons people considered Reigns' rise to be too quick. For starters, he was hidden in the Shield. He was the guy doing a few spots a match and getting the pin. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, because they obviously saw a lot in him. He was green. He wasn't ready. They split the Shield up, and he still wasn't ready yet. He was having passable (at best) matches. Then he got hurt. Reigns was out of sight, out of mind for four months before returning to the ultimate spotlight, thrust into a role that no one was ready to see him in yet. They would've gotten there, eventually, but WWE couldn't wait. People seem to forget, or casually leave out, the 2014 injury. That halted Roman's development greatly. While Dean and Seth were establishing themselves as single guys for the first time on WWE television, Roman Reigns was on the shelf. The disparagement was already large enough during the Shield, but then Seth and Dean had 4 full months ahead of him. It was seen as unfair to immediately hoist Roman into the top position for Wrestlemania because he hadn't earned the stripes in the eyes of the audience. The fans saw Dean and Seth working their asses off, and Roman got to walk back in and get a cozy spot in the main event of Wrestlemania. It created resentment. Resentment is the absolute last thing you ever want in a guy you're trying to sell as a babyface. By the time they finally went for it the following the year, Reigns had drawn the ire of nearly everyone - fans and analysts alike, for under-performing without quality top-tier opponents, showing absolutely no improvement on the microphone, and regularly inserting his foot in his mouth in nearly every public interview conducted. By and large, people don't have an issue with hotshotting someone into the main event. It can work. It worked last night with Finn Balor. People have an issue with those who they deem undeserving being hotshotted into the main event and then stubbornly kept there, even when every single credible business marker insists that there is no valid reason for keeping him there. That's Roman Reigns. In addition, Roman Reigns and Finn Balor are two totally different types of wrestlers who require totally different kinds of booking. Finn Balor will always be an underdog because of his size. That's the way wrestling works. It doesn't matter if he wins two matches in one night, he's almost always going to be sold as a guy at a disadvantage because he will almost always be significantly smaller than his opponent. Roman Reigns, like John Cena, is incorrectly sold as the underdog. He's the big powerhouse who throws the little guys around. He's rarely at a disadvantage, and he's almost always going to be viewed as the favorite going into any match, both in terms of kayfabe (even if WWE tells you otherwise), and because of his status within the company. Also, Roman Reigns is Triple H's guy as much as he is Vince McMahon's. I'm not sure why that has to be consistently reiterated, but, there it is again. In six months, if Finn Balor isn't drawing house show crowds, can't top the merchandise scales with prominent positioning, isn't getting top babyface reactions, sounds like an arrogant prick during his media interviews despite being a babyface and yet he's still in the most prominent position on the show, then we can start doing the Roman Reigns comparison. Until then, it's just a convenient narrative for defending the failed Reigns experiment.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 26, 2016 11:01:56 GMT -5
Let's talk about how refreshing Corey Graves was on commentary. He moved up without skipping a beat. He's the best color commentator they have on the payroll. He's made Eva Marie watchable and by God he made Byron Saxtons commentary tolerable, I may even say good.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:06:50 GMT -5
Corey Graves is legit my favourite announcer in WWE right now. Going to miss him in NXT though: "Come on Cory! Dance with the beat!" "No! Not until I know why this man is called Jose, and why people keeping saying No Way to him." "Who is this Jose and why is he always being denied?" was one of his lines that I thought was amazing. think about all the good JBL moments though. Even from Battleground...and I quote, "I'm not gonna miss you Byron."
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Post by T R W on Jul 26, 2016 11:12:49 GMT -5
Last night was a great RAW, and I hope the changes aren't just a temporary thing. The pacing, camerawork, and commentary were all better.
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Post by J12 on Jul 26, 2016 11:12:54 GMT -5
Can't help but feel as though Raw was everything Shane McMahon said Smackdown would be. There's an interesting dynamic forming here. If Smackdown can't live up to Raw (and it very likely can't), and that becomes a trend, you're going to have Shane coming off as the failure and Steph as the real champion of change.
In a narrative sense, it doesn't seem too logical, given that Steph has been in charge all along and could've implemented these changes a long time ago if she felt they were "best for business." Additionally, if she was on board for such a stark departure from WWE's traditional format, and Shane has said since day one that that's what he wants, why didn't we get that change when they were working together? Weird conundrum that they'll likely ignore entirely. I'm not going to get gummed up in it or anything, but, it's worth noting.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Jul 26, 2016 11:20:42 GMT -5
Not sure I'd consider going 2-0 "Superman booking", but to each their own. I don't even know why this conversation is being had. Finn Balor was one of the most proven Jr. Heavyweight talents in the entire world when he signed with WWE. He spent 8 years in NJPW climbing the ladder. Then, he came over and was the guy carrying the ball and putting in the time at NXT when he was better than 90% of the main roster. Finn Balor was putting on 4 star matches in high school gyms in front of 300 people in places like Ft. Pierce, Florida for 2 (TWO) years. Balor was in NXT purgatory for, at least, an entire year in NXT because the brand needed him so badly. He's 35 years old and been all around the world. Roman Reigns started wrestling in 2010. That was 10 years after Balor started wrestling. Not that I think 2 matches is even the rocket, but if anyone deserves the rocket it's that guy. People need a fresh dose of reality on what we're talking about here. Reigns getting the rocket is like Nash getting the rocket to bypass HBK in 94 after years of one great match after the other. I love Nash, huge fan, but that was ridiculous. When it goes the other way, that's the way hard work should pay off. All of this bickering over a guy who probably isn't even going to win at SummerSlam. Wrestling in world title matches is great but that doesn't make you the man. Jesus, we can't enjoy anything around here without someone needing a tampon. Do you think this was a one time performance by Raw, to kick the 'new era' off with a bang? Mostly, yes. I think we're going to get some good Raws moving forward because of the shift to new talent, but I don't think WWE is going to be able to follow up this act with something better next week. That being said, the arrow is pointed up. There stands a very strong chance that next week, even with a decline, will be great too because everything has a fresh feel to it right now. I have no idea how sustainable that will be, but I foresee now to SummerSlam feeling pretty exciting with the changes that have occurred in the last two weeks or so. I do think if Rollins wins at SummerSlam, which is what I'm expecting, that his title run is going to feel entirely different this go-round. Now he's established. So I think his days of chicken-sh*t heel booking are over. I'm kind of not even sure that Rollins is a heel anymore. He's kind of the teacher's pet that even the audience loves right now. Rollins is a tween that gets cheered and Reigns is a tween that gets booed. It's a weird dynamic. I think it'll be hard for them to not book Rollins as a heel against Balor though. So we'll see how that shakes out. Balor vs Rollins is fresh and exciting. It makes a world of difference when these kind of feuds happen. Agree with all of it, especially your opinions on the Reigns and Rollins dynamic. I've always been a firm believer that it doesn't matter if someone is a face or a heel. There don't have to be defined lines. It's why I hated when kids were crying 'OMFGZ, they're having Reigns act like such a heel'. Life isn't black and white. There is a lot of grey. It doesn't matter if the guy isn't totally good or totally bad.. that just makes it boring. The idea that a locker room full of bad people could all get along is fantasy, so heels should hate other heels. The only thing that matters, in terms of character development, is that these guys provoke a reaction - any reaction - be them a babyface getting booed or a heel getting cheered.
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Post by TurboEddie on Jul 26, 2016 11:22:11 GMT -5
Roman Reigns has been wrestling for six years and already has a Hall of Fame career.
Finn Balor, a 17 year veteran, wins a number one contenders match on Raw, and he's Superman and is being handed everything. Yeah, okay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 11:46:34 GMT -5
Roman Reigns has been wrestling for six years and already has a Hall of Fame career. Finn Balor, a 17 year veteran, wins a number one contenders match on Raw, and he's Superman and is being handed everything. Yeah, okay. I believe it's the significant moment of him beating Roman clean that transpires all these debate, I mean look at this formula Finn balor > Roman reign > triple h,sheamus etc for the past 1 year now.. Dude just went Goldberg mode, back in 2003 and beat The rock clean... Ps ok I exaggerate... But still can't denied he was hotshotted like no one before him
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Post by SodaGuy on Jul 26, 2016 13:03:31 GMT -5
Since we're now counting Japan for reasons that someone should get pushed towards the championship in WWE. Let's just go ahead and put the belt on Sex Ferguson. He's worked on every continent there is and spent 17 years in The Maritimes. Y'all think Finn or Roman has done that s***? Nope. It's why they don't have a billion sky miles.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 26, 2016 13:21:27 GMT -5
I really hope we see Sasha defending her title against Charlotte in a Steel-cage or ladder match at SS. Would be the next logical step in taking the women's division to the next level. I said the same thing about the Steel Cage during their match but Ladder Match will do just as well. Either or works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 13:25:05 GMT -5
I really hope we see Sasha defending her title against Charlotte in a Steel-cage or ladder match at SS. Would be the next logical step in taking the women's division to the next level. I said the same thing about the Steel Cage during their match but Ladder Match will do just as well. Either or works. hell in the cell or tlc or gtfo lol jk a cage will be good
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 13:41:07 GMT -5
Corey Graves is legit my favourite announcer in WWE right now. Going to miss him in NXT though: "Come on Cory! Dance with the beat!" "No! Not until I know why this man is called Jose, and why people keeping saying No Way to him." "Who is this Jose and why is he always being denied?" was one of his lines that I thought was amazing. Well, I ed that right up, didn't I? EH? Answer me!
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jul 26, 2016 14:20:00 GMT -5
-- They're $#!TTING on their own World title, by introducing a "Universal" title. Once again, SD is pushed downward so RAW can look superior.
Would've made better sense to create their own 'Global' championship. Seems a 'Global vs. World: who's better?' would be a more fitting headline, than "Universal vs. World: who's better?".
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Post by Midnight on Jul 26, 2016 14:51:54 GMT -5
LOL at the people mad about Reigns Losses/Balor's push. LOL y'all mad!!! LOL
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Post by DeadlyGame on Jul 26, 2016 14:57:32 GMT -5
This push is deserved. I haven't seen any of Balor's promos but in segments/video packages it seems like he gets by. Plus he appears to be terrific in that squared circle.
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Post by Mox on Jul 26, 2016 15:05:11 GMT -5
Alright peace out folks!! There's smth I Need to ask!! What exactly was the appeal of Finn balor.. Have seen his matches from nxt, all I see was overcoming, tons of drop kicking and foot stomping.. And the ever lasting overhype background stories of coming from outside of wwe realm.. Dude wasn't even on styles or Seth level.. At least not yet..
If you read between the incoherent lines of your post, there's some truth in it. IMO. I thought Balor was boring for most of his time in NXT. He doesn't seem to have a deep move set. It isn't flashy, and he seems like a lot of style over substance. I like they guy. I like the gim. I like his story. But I'm definitely not seeing what everyone else seems to be seeing with him.
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