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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 29, 2016 10:56:52 GMT -5
Ever since Nikki went down charlotte has been carrying the women's division And she gets no credit it seems like Combined (divas/womens) she held the title longer than Nikki and probably defended more than Nikki did too now I'm not 100% sure about that but it damn sure feels like charlotte defended her title way more than Nikki did really it seemed like brie did most the wrestling during Nikki's run Sasha will be a fine champion until Nikki can reclaim her title Charlotte's talking segments have been painful for awhile now, specifically since dropping her dad and adding Dana. She's a freak athlete in the ring but she also lacks any grace out there. So a ton of her execution is clunky and ill timed. She's got the least amount of in-ring experience of the 4HW, and I think it's obvious. Despite that, she's had the most kayfabe success. She overstayed her welcome as champion. Had she dropped the title at Mania she could have spent the summer earning respect instead of earning the ire of fans. I think she'll continue to improve, and she is incredibly serious about being the best, but she's not there yet and relies too much on her athletic prowess to make up for her in-ring shortcomings. In other words, I think there is plenty of reason to appreciate women like Becky and Sasha more than Charlotte. Primarily being that both of those women are better all around packages than Charlotte. With that being said, she still continues to make magic with Sasha. They just have a trust and confidence with each other that lets them deliver. She was the perfect feud to pass the ball to Sasha. Nikki Bella isn't even in this conversation though. She was a Diva champion. The 4HW and Natty are an entirely different breed of performer. Heel Nikki is pretty great from a persona standpoint, and her butt is off the charts, but she's the old guard and the landscape has changed drastically since she's been away. It's going to be incredibly difficult for Nikki to feel at home in this new era of women's wrestling, outside of the forced redemption story which I'm positive they'll do upon her return.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Jul 29, 2016 10:58:15 GMT -5
The Sasha hate is incredible to me lol. If you look at probably the greatest 5 women's matches in WWE history, Sasha in in like three of them. She's money. Let's not forget that she is an amazing heel and hasn't even been able to do her best work yet because they wanted to make her a babyface. Since the callup, I've been a bigger fan of Becky Lynch but that I think is because she is in her element. Just go back and watch all of Sasha's work in NXT, and that shows you what she is capable of. Her booking since being called up hasn't been all that great.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 29, 2016 14:10:40 GMT -5
Wow. Did not take long for the hate to rise up for Sasha Banks. I give Bayley about 6 months from her call up before the fans turn on her. Yeah it is really unbelievable how quick people here turn on wrestlers. As soon as they get what they have been asking for, they no longer want it. Everyone loved Sasha and now... I understand some of the turning. Like wanting Ryder and Ziggler to be big stars when they were hot acts. Ziggler was huge during the AJ/Big E time. Now, not so much. So it makes sense that a lot of people reacted poorly to his recent elevation. Reigns was pushed too hard and at the wrong time. An argument could be made that $a$ha Bank$ had that same thing happen to her. People wanted her to be champ right out the gate. Wait about a year, and now, people have turned. Some could say the iron cooled on her, but she still gets big pops. So I don't really understand why people are hating on her now. Honestly, it seems like women wrestlers on here get the worst turnarounds.Paige was beloved; now not so much. I want to say it's based purely on appearance here. Hot young girl is parading arond in booty shorts. Gets older. Some hotter girls debut, and it's like "That pale British girl, she's ok now. I'm all about Sasha. Oh wait. There's a cutie with a booty named Alexa. She's great now." I really believe a lot of the fandom for these ladies stems from men looking past their wrestling ability and just going gaga over how hot they are.Then when the sex appeal wears off and newbie with a booty debuts, it's like forget about the others. This one is a star.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Jul 29, 2016 14:38:43 GMT -5
Ever since Nikki went down charlotte has been carrying the women's division And she gets no credit it seems like Combined (divas/womens) she held the title longer than Nikki and probably defended more than Nikki did too now I'm not 100% sure about that but it damn sure feels like charlotte defended her title way more than Nikki did really it seemed like brie did most the wrestling during Nikki's run Sasha will be a fine champion until Nikki can reclaim her title Charlotte's talking segments have been painful for awhile now, specifically since dropping her dad and adding Dana. She's a freak athlete in the ring but she also lacks any grace out there. So a ton of her execution is clunky and ill timed. She's got the least amount of in-ring experience of the 4HW, and I think it's obvious. Despite that, she's had the most kayfabe success. She overstayed her welcome as champion. Had she dropped the title at Mania she could have spent the summer earning respect instead of earning the ire of fans. I think she'll continue to improve, and she is incredibly serious about being the best, but she's not there yet and relies too much on her athletic prowess to make up for her in-ring shortcomings. In other words, I think there is plenty of reason to appreciate women like Becky and Sasha more than Charlotte. Primarily being that both of those women are better all around packages than Charlotte. With that being said, she still continues to make magic with Sasha. They just have a trust and confidence with each other that lets them deliver. She was the perfect feud to pass the ball to Sasha. Nikki Bella isn't even in this conversation though. She was a Diva champion. The 4HW and Natty are an entirely different breed of performer. Heel Nikki is pretty great from a persona standpoint, and her butt is off the charts, but she's the old guard and the landscape has changed drastically since she's been away. It's going to be incredibly difficult for Nikki to feel at home in this new era of women's wrestling, outside of the forced redemption story which I'm positive they'll do upon her return. It takes more than one person to carry a division. It is a collaborative effort to make things work out for everybody involved. The primary issue with the whole Women's Revolution is it had a not-so-great start. Putting three teams of three women was a really bad idea. I do agree, it was a bad idea to have Charlotte walk out of WrestleMania XXXII as champion. Day by day, Charlotte gets better and better. As far as Nikki Bella is concerned, I do agree, with how women's wrestling is perceived in the WWE, it would be a tough adjustment for her. Which makes me glad they brought Maryse as a valet. Nike Nikki Bella, Maryse represents the old guard. I am sure when Nikki Bella comes back, we are going to see a side of her nobody has seen. The Sasha hate is incredible to me lol. If you look at probably the greatest 5 women's matches in WWE history, Sasha in in like three of them. She's money. Let's not forget that she is an amazing heel and hasn't even been able to do her best work yet because they wanted to make her a babyface. Since the callup, I've been a bigger fan of Becky Lynch but that I think is because she is in her element. Just go back and watch all of Sasha's work in NXT, and that shows you what she is capable of. Her booking since being called up hasn't been all that great. I am going to go on record and state that I do not hate Sasha Banks. It irks me when people give her such high praise and make her the second coming of Trish Stratus. There is only one Trish Stratus and there is only one Sasha Banks. What made Sasha Banks/Bayley at TakeOver Brooklyn so great is because of the emotional investment leading up to said match. We seen Bayley come up short many times and Sasha Banks being that heel just made the fans want Bayley as the NXT Women's Champion. The issues with Banks on the main roster is the fans want to like her but she was viewed as a heel backstage. Another issue is she hasn't had a clean singles loss on TV. Leading into Battleground, it wouldn't have hurt to have Banks have a clean singles loss. Even Stevens (50/50) booking gets you nowhere. The women are no exception. Yeah it is really unbelievable how quick people here turn on wrestlers. As soon as they get what they have been asking for, they no longer want it. Everyone loved Sasha and now... I understand some of the turning. Like wanting Ryder and Ziggler to be big stars when they were hot acts. Ziggler was huge during the AJ/Big E time. Now, not so much. So it makes sense that a lot of people reacted poorly to his recent elevation. Reigns was pushed too hard and at the wrong time. An argument could be made that $a$ha Bank$ had that same thing happen to her. People wanted her to be champ right out the gate. Wait about a year, and now, people have turned. Some could say the iron cooled on her, but she still gets big pops. So I don't really understand why people are hating on her now. Honestly, it seems like women wrestlers on here get the worst turnarounds.Paige was beloved; now not so much. I want to say it's based purely on appearance here. Hot young girl is parading arond in booty shorts. Gets older. Some hotter girls debut, and it's like "That pale British girl, she's ok now. I'm all about Sasha. Oh wait. There's a cutie with a booty named Alexa. She's great now." I really believe a lot of the fandom for these ladies stems from men looking past their wrestling ability and just going gaga over how hot they are.Then when the sex appeal wears off and newbie with a booty debuts, it's like forget about the others. This one is a star. The whole idea of sex appeal isn't really prevalent now compared to 10-15 years ago. I am a firm believer had Eva Marie came along from 2000-2006, I am sure she would have been asked to pose nude for Playboy. The hate on Sasha Banks stems from what I said above, people think she is the second coming of Trish Stratus. If Sasha Banks wants to have a long career, she is going to have to slow it down and protect her real estate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 16:17:07 GMT -5
Nikki Bella can hold her own when she's in the ring with people like Sasha,Becky and Charlotte.Just because Nikki Bella hasn't been any takeover type matches that doesn't mean she sucks in the ring.You can't compare women like Naomi,Nikki to Sasha and beckys careers because Sasha,Becky,Bayley and Charlotte had more opportunities and that's what seperates them.Because Women like the Bella's,Naomi,Natalya,etc we're apart of an era where women weren't booked well and limit in the ring and was told not to wrestle better than the guys.Which is why # givedivasAchance became a thing because fans got tired of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 16:01:30 GMT -5
You lot having a go at Sasha makes me sick. I'm not her #1 fan, I actually prefer Becky, but she's a life-long wrestling fan who worked her arse off to get to do her dream job. She embodies everything we look for in a wrestler, not being a model/bodybuilder/sports player who fell into it based on their look. If she botched last night, it's probably because she was nervous as knowing her life-long dream was about to come true. If I had worked as hard as she has to become a wrestler and was picked up by WWE, and then was about to become WWE Champion, I'd crap in my pants never mind screw up a spot. Give her some slack. She's botched before. Many women who botch don't get any slack because the Internet doesn't feel they are deserving of it. Either they all get slack or none at all. It's only fair.
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Post by tiny04 on Jul 30, 2016 17:56:05 GMT -5
You lot having a go at Sasha makes me sick. I'm not her #1 fan, I actually prefer Becky, but she's a life-long wrestling fan who worked her arse off to get to do her dream job. She embodies everything we look for in a wrestler, not being a model/bodybuilder/sports player who fell into it based on their look. If she botched last night, it's probably because she was nervous as knowing her life-long dream was about to come true. If I had worked as hard as she has to become a wrestler and was picked up by WWE, and then was about to become WWE Champion, I'd crap in my pants never mind screw up a spot. Give her some slack. She's botched before. Many women who botch don't get any slack because the Internet doesn't feel they are deserving of it. Either they all get slack or none at all. It's only fair. Every wrestler botches. No one is perfect. The ones who take criticism are the ones who do it all the time. Sasha doesn't fall into this category so is not due criticism for botches. Even Sami Zayn, one of the best wrestlers in the entire company, made a massive botch at Battleground. It happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 18:20:50 GMT -5
She's botched before. Many women who botch don't get any slack because the Internet doesn't feel they are deserving of it. Either they all get slack or none at all. It's only fair. Every wrestler botches. No one is perfect. The ones who take criticism are the ones who do it all the time. Sasha doesn't fall into this category so is not due criticism for botches. Even Sami Zayn, one of the best wrestlers in the entire company, made a massive botch at Battleground. It happens. I know everyone botches. That's the point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 19:42:26 GMT -5
Guys realise that EVERY wrestler botches. The stars do not book themselves or write out how segments look. The newly found Sasha hate is so unnecessary it's unbelievable. She has been in involved in most of the greatest female matches and that isn't just because of the other girl she was facing.
Just because she is a female wrestler doesn't mean that everything she does "wrong" is her fault. Also Eva Marie is doing something right to still be employed and keeping all the fans heat on herself putting herself on top as a top heel.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jul 30, 2016 21:29:55 GMT -5
Here's my take. I am a HUGE women's division fan...
1. I love Eva Marie. I have since day one. You have to admit that she has improved a lot. She has the makings to be the most hated heel in wrestling PERIOD! Male or female. I know she is a future champion. The wrestling needs more work. She'll make it. I'd prefer her to stay off the mic for awhile as well. The voice over thing adds to her character.
2. I'm not a Sasha fan. She's a good wrestler with heart. But the boss gimmick doesn't do it for me. She comes off a villain lite. A lot like Divatox from Power Rangers Turbo. I think she is overrated as much as AJ Lee was.
3. Charlotte is a great athlete and getting very good on the mic. However her title reign felt really off putting to me. She came in, got the title, had a few feuds and got stale. Imo, she should have had a bit more of a character dynamic before winning the title.
4. I'm also a huge Bella Twin fan. But I'm a bit uneasy as to how Nikki will do without Brie. I'm used to the Twin factor.
5. The women's division has had a real lack of a top face for awhile. We know Cena is the top male star. But who is the top women's star? I'd like a definite top face for the division.
Last... Smackdown does need a women's belt! It's not fair that these girls are working hard with no pay off. Granted there are only 6 women (7 including Maryse. Hopefully she'll wrestle at some point.) But I see more women coming to SD soon. I think Nikki should be drafted to add more of a stability to the division. So far only Natalya has held a title on the SD women's roster. And that was eons ago! I also heard Melina is set to come back. She needs to be on SD in my opinion. I hope they get a belt for themselves. Maybe bring back the Divas title for SD. I donno but they do deserve one. All the girls have talent and it'd be sad to see them working hard for no title.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Jul 31, 2016 8:39:21 GMT -5
Here's my take. I am a HUGE women's division fan... 1. I love Eva Marie. I have since day one. You have to admit that she has improved a lot. She has the makings to be the most hated heel in wrestling PERIOD! Male or female. I know she is a future champion. The wrestling needs more work. She'll make it. I'd prefer her to stay off the mic for awhile as well. The voice over thing adds to her character. 2. I'm not a Sasha fan. She's a good wrestler with heart. But the boss gimmick doesn't do it for me. She comes off a villain lite. A lot like Divatox from Power Rangers Turbo. I think she is overrated as much as AJ Lee was. 3. Charlotte is a great athlete and getting very good on the mic. However her title reign felt really off putting to me. She came in, got the title, had a few feuds and got stale. Imo, she should have had a bit more of a character dynamic before winning the title. 4. I'm also a huge Bella Twin fan. But I'm a bit uneasy as to how Nikki will do without Brie. I'm used to the Twin factor. 5. The women's division has had a real lack of a top face for awhile. We know Cena is the top male star. But who is the top women's star? I'd like a definite top face for the division. Last... Smackdown does need a women's belt! It's not fair that these girls are working hard with no pay off. Granted there are only 6 women (7 including Maryse. Hopefully she'll wrestle at some point.) But I see more women coming to SD soon. I think Nikki should be drafted to add more of a stability to the division. So far only Natalya has held a title on the SD women's roster. And that was eons ago! I also heard Melina is set to come back. She needs to be on SD in my opinion. I hope they get a belt for themselves. Maybe bring back the Divas title for SD. I donno but they do deserve one. All the girls have talent and it'd be sad to see them working hard for no title. So you don't like Sasha Banks gimmick, and you dont like Charlotte's character, but you love Eva Marie? Eva doesn't even have a personality besides showing off her body and doing the same pose over and over again in the ring. She can't talk at all, any character she does have is completely designed by the production crew. She has tons of heat which is a really good thing, but let's not forget why she has heat, cause she is so terrible in the ring and on the mix that nobody wants to see her. I root for her though cause if she could improve in the ring there is definite money making potential. And I agree that Smackdown needs a title. Call up Bayley and Asuka, pit them on Smackdown with Nikki and you have a solid women's division. I just have no idea what you would call the belt? But the same belt but blue I thought was a cool idea.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Aug 1, 2016 15:22:22 GMT -5
You lot having a go at Sasha makes me sick. I'm not her #1 fan, I actually prefer Becky, but she's a life-long wrestling fan who worked her arse off to get to do her dream job. She embodies everything we look for in a wrestler, not being a model/bodybuilder/sports player who fell into it based on their look. If she botched last night, it's probably because she was nervous as knowing her life-long dream was about to come true. If I had worked as hard as she has to become a wrestler and was picked up by WWE, and then was about to become WWE Champion, I'd crap in my pants never mind screw up a spot. Give her some slack. She's botched before. Many women who botch don't get any slack because the Internet doesn't feel they are deserving of it. Either they all get slack or none at all. It's only fair. Absolutely, I'm a fan of the whole product and want them all to succeed. Give them all some slack, what they do is ing nerve wracking and not one of us would be able to do it to their standard, even on their worst night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 23:13:54 GMT -5
Here's my take. I am a HUGE women's division fan... 1. I love Eva Marie. I have since day one. You have to admit that she has improved a lot. She has the makings to be the most hated heel in wrestling PERIOD! Male or female. I know she is a future champion. The wrestling needs more work. She'll make it. I'd prefer her to stay off the mic for awhile as well. The voice over thing adds to her character. 2. I'm not a Sasha fan. She's a good wrestler with heart. But the boss gimmick doesn't do it for me. She comes off a villain lite. A lot like Divatox from Power Rangers Turbo. I think she is overrated as much as AJ Lee was. 3. Charlotte is a great athlete and getting very good on the mic. However her title reign felt really off putting to me. She came in, got the title, had a few feuds and got stale. Imo, she should have had a bit more of a character dynamic before winning the title. 4. I'm also a huge Bella Twin fan. But I'm a bit uneasy as to how Nikki will do without Brie. I'm used to the Twin factor. 5. The women's division has had a real lack of a top face for awhile. We know Cena is the top male star. But who is the top women's star? I'd like a definite top face for the division. Last... Smackdown does need a women's belt! It's not fair that these girls are working hard with no pay off. Granted there are only 6 women (7 including Maryse. Hopefully she'll wrestle at some point.) But I see more women coming to SD soon. I think Nikki should be drafted to add more of a stability to the division. So far only Natalya has held a title on the SD women's roster. And that was eons ago! I also heard Melina is set to come back. She needs to be on SD in my opinion. I hope they get a belt for themselves. Maybe bring back the Divas title for SD. I donno but they do deserve one. All the girls have talent and it'd be sad to see them working hard for no title. So you don't like Sasha Banks gimmick, and you dont like Charlotte's character, but you love Eva Marie? Eva doesn't even have a personality besides showing off her body and doing the same pose over and over again in the ring. She can't talk at all, any character she does have is completely designed by the production crew. She has tons of heat which is a really good thing, but let's not forget why she has heat, cause she is so terrible in the ring and on the mix that nobody wants to see her. I root for her though cause if she could improve in the ring there is definite money making potential. And I agree that Smackdown needs a title. Call up Bayley and Asuka, pit them on Smackdown with Nikki and you have a solid women's division. I just have no idea what you would call the belt? But the same belt but blue I thought was a cool idea. What?? So you think Sasha Banks has skills with the mic or in the ring?? Yes, maybe she works hard, but being unable of executing a standing drop kick above the wrist of her opponents makes her a bad wrestler and only talking about herself and her dream of being in WWE and that she is the boss is shallow and simply dumb. And let's not talk about her looks, her hair, her face, her height... Believe me, all normal men turn on the tv when Eva is announced and go to bed when Sasha is announced. Fortunately, WWE found out that very quickly and corrected their big mistake by taking the title from her in the first PPV that came aboard.
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