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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 17:24:35 GMT -5
1. Lesnar 01-04 2. Lesnar 12-13 3. Lesnar 13-present
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 2, 2016 17:34:36 GMT -5
Heyman could be used for other talent too. Like when he managed CM Punk for a while and even RyBack. Heyman and Punk were gold together. I also liked Heyman with Axel, but we all know how that turned out. Heyman and Axel didn't last long. Like a couple of weeks if that
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 2, 2016 17:36:14 GMT -5
Ive been a Brock fan since before he debuted but Im also very wishy washy with his stint right now because its part time. I would much rather see him full time on the roster but I know thats not gonna happen
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2016 17:39:11 GMT -5
Oh ok, so the latest' cool thing' is hating on Brock. I guess you have to be a cookie-cutter, 5'9 jobber to get praise on the interwebs. I don't think anyone is hating on him. It's more of a question about whether it still makes sense for him to be appearing as a special attraction when he has been repetitive for 3 years in some of the biggest of those matches. Does he still warrant his multi-million dollar contact and is he the best use of WWE's resources (money, TV time, opportunity cost of other options they're foregoing, etc.)
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2016 17:45:06 GMT -5
Yes, I care. Brock brings legitimacy to WWE. And Orton is also one of my favorites on the current roster. One of the best workers ever. So good sometimes he is boring, I know. So I'm looking forward to this match the most at Summerslam. Yes, more than Seth/Balor. I don't care for Balor. He's little and British..... I lol every time I see the phrase "bring legitimacy to WWE". Like does anyone know what that's suppose to mean? It's like a paradox embedded in a joke that people actually seem to be able to take seriously, somehow. I don't need to justify anything about what I choose to do or why.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Aug 2, 2016 18:21:31 GMT -5
I hope Orton wins....just can't get behind somebody like Brock who seems to only care about money & himself
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Post by crookedterror on Aug 2, 2016 19:58:09 GMT -5
Two words: Antonio Cesaro. Book a feud between him and Lesnar and watch Cesaro become a star.
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 2, 2016 20:04:16 GMT -5
I'm legit shocked at all the Brock hate
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2016 20:25:17 GMT -5
I'm legit shocked at all the Brock hate You're welcome, lol. I just started a revolution - just kidding. I didn't know it was there either, but I don't hate him, just pointed out something that was worthy of discussion.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Aug 2, 2016 21:15:25 GMT -5
Yes, I care. Brock brings legitimacy to WWE. And Orton is also one of my favorites on the current roster. One of the best workers ever. So good sometimes he is boring, I know. So I'm looking forward to this match the most at Summerslam. Yes, more than Seth/Balor. I don't care for Balor. He's little and British..... I lol every time I see the phrase "bring legitimacy to WWE". Like does anyone know what that's suppose to mean? It's like a paradox embedded in a joke that people actually seem to be able to take seriously, somehow. I don't need to justify anything about what I choose to do or why. Well since you're having a hard time getting "what that's supposed to mean" I'll tell you what it means from my pov. He works a little stiffer. Good or bad I'm entertained in the fact that I'm lost in all my glory watching him just not quite sure if he knows this is a work or not. Now I obviously know the answer to that, but at the end of the day it's what pro wrestling is all about. "Man I was really into that match, oh yeah.....crap it's fake. But that was great." Now I don't really get Brock the person, but I enjoy Brock the wrestler.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Aug 2, 2016 21:16:30 GMT -5
Also, I hope Orton wins.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 21:30:16 GMT -5
Wow 4 pages of this thread and nobody gets it. He was an unstoppable force honestly but he tarnished the product imo by testing positive for a roid flusher. And everyones just gonna pretend it didnt happen. Its gatbage just like Brock Lesnars roided ass is and Orton is gonna fade away after this.delusional people. Roman is gonna get bood for life too.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2016 22:01:27 GMT -5
I lol every time I see the phrase "bring legitimacy to WWE". Like does anyone know what that's suppose to mean? It's like a paradox embedded in a joke that people actually seem to be able to take seriously, somehow. I don't need to justify anything about what I choose to do or why. Well since you're having a hard time getting "what that's supposed to mean" I'll tell you what it means from my pov. He works a little stiffer. Good or bad I'm entertained in the fact that I'm lost in all my glory watching him just not quite sure if he knows this is a work or not. Now I obviously know the answer to that, but at the end of the day it's what pro wrestling is all about. "Man I was really into that match, oh yeah.....crap it's fake. But that was great." Now I don't really get Brock the person, but I enjoy Brock the wrestler. I understand where you're coming from and totally respect your opinion - I'm assuming you've probably been a long time wrestling fan. I just lose respect for people who look down upon wrestling for being fake and worthless, but then just because Lesnar is wrestling all of a sudden it's worth their time and they'll jump on the bandwagon. Nothing about it ever changed.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 2, 2016 22:07:14 GMT -5
I lol every time I see the phrase "bring legitimacy to WWE". Like does anyone know what that's suppose to mean? It's like a paradox embedded in a joke that people actually seem to be able to take seriously, somehow. I don't need to justify anything about what I choose to do or why. Well since you're having a hard time getting "what that's supposed to mean" I'll tell you what it means from my pov. He works a little stiffer. Good or bad I'm entertained in the fact that I'm lost in all my glory watching him just not quite sure if he knows this is a work or not. Now I obviously know the answer to that, but at the end of the day it's what pro wrestling is all about. "Man I was really into that match, oh yeah.....crap it's fake. But that was great." Now I don't really get Brock the person, but I enjoy Brock the wrestler. What I was trying to say in so many words was that when you say "legitimacy" you're talking in terms of kayfabe, right? But in kayfabe, everything already is legitimate. To claim legitimacy outside of kayfabe is to claim wrestling is actual competition.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Aug 3, 2016 2:53:42 GMT -5
I'm certainly not sick of him. He still has that must watch mystique about him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 5:54:36 GMT -5
Yes, I care. Brock brings legitimacy to WWE. And Orton is also one of my favorites on the current roster. One of the best workers ever. So good sometimes he is boring, I know. So I'm looking forward to this match the most at Summerslam. Yes, more than Seth/Balor. I don't care for Balor. He's little and British..... I lol every time I see the phrase "bring legitimacy to WWE". Like does anyone know what that's suppose to mean? It's like a paradox embedded in a joke that people actually seem to be able to take seriously, somehow. I don't need to justify anything about what I choose to do or why. I don't know if you've noticed, but certainly in my experience if I tell anyone I am (or was) a fan of wrestling, then they'll laugh and say "oh that's fake". Brock being a legitimate and accomplished fighter, choosing to stay and do the fake stuff DOES legitimise it to an extent.
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Post by Dan on Aug 3, 2016 6:17:20 GMT -5
It's strange, as i thought him leaving for UFC 200, getting a legitimate win and returning would of restored a lot of credibility to him and he'd of returned over as hell again. However, the whole drug controversy being publicised has pretty much damaged him completely, as did keeping him away from Television for a few weeks after rather than straight off the win while he would have been red hot. Heyman couldn't even mention the fact he'd just left and destroyed another opponent on UFC because of everything going on revolving the bout. Part of his aura they've created stemmed from him beating hugely talented Heavyweights in real life, which meant you could never believe a WWE Superstar beating him in a scripted fight. It's what made him be this believable and unbeatable once in a lifetime attraction for the WWE. Now that it's been documented all over the media that he's used enhancements to help him win, it makes it so much harder for people to now buy into his gimmick. Sure, if we are to just treat him as a WWE Superstar only, he is still an incredible performer in the Ring and can go as good as anybody, and he has one of the best WWE CV's in history, but the invincibility around him seems to have worn off. I genuinely feel like Orton could beat him clean at Summerslam now. He probably still shouldn't, as Lesnar would literally be demeed worthless if he does as nobody is yet to of been the one to of beaten the one.
At this point in time, there really isn't a lot left for him now. Sure, there are a lot of 'Wrestling Dream Matches' still available, with the likes of Brock Lesnar vs AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar vs Shinsuke Nakamura, Brock Lesnar vs Kevin Owens, Brock Lesnar vs Samoa Joe, Brock Lesnar vs Finn Balor etc, but it's hard to see them going that route.
I guess, if they really wanted to get one more year's worth of use out of Lesnar, they could have him go over Randy Orton at Summerslam, have Brock Lesnar vs AJ Styles at the Royal Rumble (with the whole feud revolving around the Bullet Club taking out Lesnar), before ultimately passing the torch to either 'The Prizefighter' Kevin Owens, or 'Beast vs Demon' Finn Balor at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 8:48:05 GMT -5
I do.
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Post by xtremebadass on Aug 3, 2016 8:49:47 GMT -5
Given his poor WrestleMania performance this year, his steroid allegations and WWE blatantly not doing a damn thing about it I want nothing more than for Orton to win at Summerslam. IMO nobody would benefit from beating Brock Lesnar one-on-one fresh off his steroid stint in the UFC. A pro wrestler beating a cheater? It is pretty much a lose-lose. Hopefully this match won't be as forgettable as I am imagining it will be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 8:51:49 GMT -5
The WM match with Ambrose killed this run for me. Ambrose tried to make that match something, but Brock just s**t all over it. That's not true at all. Creative sh*t on that match.
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