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Post by BROKEN on Aug 28, 2016 18:05:18 GMT -5
Bayley is very attractive. Someone who agrees. #HulkApproves
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Post by k5 on Aug 28, 2016 18:10:54 GMT -5
x-pac doesn't suck.
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Post by ππ΅πβοΈ on Aug 28, 2016 18:11:18 GMT -5
I have the single greatest collection of Championship Title Belts in history.
The Invasion angle was (potentially) the greatest angle in Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment history. So much so, that I have all 7 Invasion Pay Per Views on DVD. Even though I would change so many things, I still loved it.
The WWE Championship Title Belts with nameplates are the greatest collection of Championship Title Belts in Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment history. The Undisputed WWE World Championship Title Belt is the best of the best. The Divas Championship Title Belt is the worst...of the best
My favorite Stables are, in this order: Four Horsemen New World Order D-Generation X Evolution Main Event Mafia
My favorite SuperStars are, in this order: Chris Jericho Stone Cold Steve Austin / The Rock Kurt Angle Ric Flair / Hulk Hogan
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Post by FUSamBaker on Aug 28, 2016 18:38:15 GMT -5
Renee Young isn't as hot as everyone makes her out to be. She's too much like one of the guys. I see her being a super cool friend though. I need tomboyish girls in my life. .......My last "controversial thought", I'd love to see Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, Paul Heyman and Dixie Carter in the same ring. They all four divide themselves stars from various rosters for a "brawl for it all" style tournament.
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Post by ellisd on Aug 28, 2016 18:45:33 GMT -5
I love this thread. Cool to see people voicing their opinions, without getting cut down by people with different opinions.
Which brings me to my list....
It sucks when the WWE tries to force someone into one of the top spots (even though it is their show), but it also sucks when the "smart/internet/indie/whatever" fans complain because their guy isn't in that spot. It takes a balance.
Becky is better than Sasha
People complain about the main rosters storylines being too predictable, yet don't see the predictable pattern with the NXT title. NXT is entertaining, and I like most of these next names I'm going to mention. I started watching when Neville was champion, and everyone was making a big deal about Sami Zayn. Everyone started making a big deal when WWE signed Kevin Steen too. Zayne wins the NXT title, then the now Kevin Owens wins the NXT Title. Finn Balor comes in with a lot of fanfare behind him.....and wins the title. As Balor is winning the Title, Samoa Joe finally signs with WWE and debuts in NXT, and everyone makes a big deal of it. Who dethrones Balor? Samoa Joe, thats who, and he was dethroned by the next indie superhyped guy......Nakamura. I'm pretty sure The next NXT champ will be Roode, if they continue their trend.
You can have a good match without a story, but its harder to get everyone to care about the match. You can have a good story without a good match, but it leaves the story feeling flat afterwards. But when you have a good story ( giving the fans a reason to care) and good matches, that's when it turns into a great match.
I don't understand the sudden Brock Lesnar hate. If its because he does the same thing every match, everyone does. If its because he doesn't loose and put someone over, its because he was probably supposed to loose to Roman Reigns at WrestleMania 31 and put Reigns over...but everyone complained about that so they changed it. And there's not been a good choice for him to loose to since.
Speaking of Roman Reigns, he gets a lot of undeserved hate. He's not "Phenomenal" but he's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. I say he needs to be kept in the midcard for a while and spend some time doing a bit more character developement. Then after a year or so, start a slow build back to the top of the card.
Even with the star power they had WCW always seemed like a cheap show to me.
I like Sheamus, but he often gets booked into boring situations. There are some wrestlers that I hate seeing him wrestle though. If I ever have to watch Sheamus vs Orton, Barrett, or Reigns again, I'll poke my eyes out lol. Not downplaying their abilities, but don't think they mesh well.
I hate when the crowd "hijacks" the show. Before I go any farther, let me say that this excludes the night after WrestleMania crowd. The post Mania crowd is riding the high from WrestleMania weekend and make that night fun. That being said, I hate the other instances when the crowd "hijacks" the show.
I don't hate John Cena as much as I did a few years ago. Since somewhat stepping away from the World Title picture, he's had some really great matches. I still dread everytime he comes out though, with his gimmick that hasn't evolved in over 10 years. I also feel that after years of the 5 Moves of Doom, when he trys to do something new like the springboard stunner or hurrancanrana, it feels so forced...almost likd he's saying " Look, I can too do something else".
Cody Rhodes should have gotten a main event push against Orton, after he came back from being fired by the Authority. That doesn't necessarily mean he should have won the title, but a main event ppv feud with Orton should have happened.
Chris Jericho is the best performer in WWE history. I say this because... 1.) he's a talented in ring worker and has great mic skills 2.) he can use both of those above to work perfectly as a face or a heel 3.) he can be used in the main event scene or lower on the card and be completely believable against whomever he's in the ring with. For instance, if you saw Hulk Hogan, Rock, Cena, etc wrestling Tyler Breeze, you know Breeze is gonna lose. But Chris Jericho can wrestle someone like Tyler Breeze or the Rock and have a competitive match with either.
I know there's more, just gotta have time to think of them.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 28, 2016 20:02:27 GMT -5
A lot of these opinions can be argued hardcore and I bet a lot can't be backed as to why you think that. Saw one about how the Miz lacks wrestling ability. Joke if I ever heard one. There are different styles of wrestling in the business and he does his perfect. He can sell, he can deliver moves smoothly, and he's beyond solid on the mic. Is he the best wrestler in the world? No. Is he a technician like Zach Sabre Jr? No. But he by no means lacks wrestling ability and can deliver an A match.
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Post by TheLastDude on Aug 28, 2016 20:48:37 GMT -5
The Montreal Screwjob was a work. Taker should have stayed the ABA. Mauro Ranallo is terrible. Booker T is the only black wrestler that was ever good enough to carry a company. Big Show should have been treated better from the very beginning of his tenure in the WWE up until now. The man is a hard worker, he's classy, and he's a legend. I was never really a big fan of Dusty Rhodes. Kevin Owens is completely overrated. I feel like he should be making my sandwich at Subway. Enzo and Cass are like reading a book by skipping through it randomly. Still entertaining...but they make no ing sense. The Warrior Award is more about ratings than about actually giving the award to the type of people the Warrior wanted the award to go to. Connor Michalek and Joan Lunden are no more special than any of the other thousands and thousands of people who have battled cancer. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or even, beer holder), but to say that none of the current crop of female wrestlers is attractive either means you have an unrealistic definition of attractive, you're trolling, you don't like women, or nothing will ever be good enough for you.
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Post by mosetter27 on Aug 28, 2016 21:00:30 GMT -5
The Invasion angle was (potentially) the greatest angle in Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment history. So much so, that I have all 7 Invasion Pay Per Views on DVD. Even though I would change so many things, I still loved it. My favorite Stables are, in this order: Four Horsemen New World Order D-Generation X Evolution Main Event Mafia My favorite SuperStars are, in this order: Chris Jericho Stone Cold Steve Austin / The Rock Kurt Angle Ric Flair / Hulk Hogan The Invasion had POTENTIAL to be the best angle... its execution got me to quit wrestling... favorite stables and the Hart Foundation is not listed? wth is wrong with you.. no JOB squad? no Ministry? You're truly crazy man... we can no longer be friends..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 21:18:18 GMT -5
I'm back with round two and I have some that not only go against the internet's opinion, but some that I disagree with in this thread. But I won't respond with venom and hate, I'll just politely speak my positions on them.
-Brock Lesnar is still an awesome entity, I dig his matches, I like the spectacle of them, and I enjoy the big match feel of them. However, I feel at this point, the only thing that makes me feel bored with him is that, it's hard to imagine who will be the guy to beat him. Sure, maybe they won't go that route and maybe they don't need to. But, if they do give someone a win over him, it's hard to think of someone who can do it convincingly.
Because, he's dominated and beaten Punk, Cena, Taker, Dean, and Orton, just to name a few. Since his 2012 return, he's lost three matches via a pinfall or submission, his last one, coming under a screwjob finish. Since beating the streak, he's been built like a monster and you'd have to have someone being built just as strongly to beat him.
So I'm sorry, Owens, Nakamura, Balor, or any indy darling can't be that guy. Because I won't buy it and despite wrestling being fake, there still has to be a sense of realism to it.
-Lucha Underground is a fun product, but I think it gets too much praise. They opt to go for the more is more approach and every match tries to be a "Five star classic." The storylines are interesting, the way the show is shot is cool, but it's not all peaches and cream and there are some low points. Also, if EVERY promotion started to do what they did, it'd lose its luster and wouldn't be as cool or unique anymore.
-Speaking of matches, I feel that while I don't like the "can you top this" balls to the walls style that seems to be overtaking the business. I do like the idea of guys treating it more like a legit competition and upping the in ring game. However, I feel that a middle ground should be met. Something like NWA or early 90's WCW. Where you had guys like Flair, Arn, Windham, Sting, and others who could give you a technical match, but still tell a story and not go over the top, while still doing some interesting and entertaining stuff.
However, a match that has a strong story going into it or honesty, any story is more captivating to me than just going "oh wow, its gonna be "insert big name" vs "insert other big name" in a "dream match" Sure, some of those matches can be great, but it shouldn't be the norm.
-I don't like the notion that guy has to be a certain height or a certain weight or have certain build to be considered a pro wrestler. Now, I understand some 5'6 indy guy who weighs 190 lbs won't headline Mania,but they might be good enough for their local scene. I just don't think that should be a driving factor. A different physique can help someone stand out, besides if they have a personality, can talk, wrestle, etc, it can still work and they can still get over.
Also, it makes it seem that people who weren't gifted with certain attributes shouldn't try to get into the business and while I can understand the old school mentality and why it exist, it sucks being a shorter guy and feeling like I can't pursue my dream because I'm not 6'0 tall.
-Now,this is purely based on rumors and I doubt it's true. But it illustrates one point that I made earlier, fans don't care about anything but what they want. Screw logic, screw the health of the wrestlers, etc,etc. That thread about Bryan possibly making an in ring comeback, I saw people want him to wrestle Nakamura and Brock.
Excuse me? What? No, first off, a match with Brock would play out pretty much with Brock destroying him. Second of all, both of those guys have moves that would impact and further injure Bryan, as being dropped on his head or kicked in the face would damage his head/neck, which considering why he retired, would be the stupidest and most selfish thing in the world. So, you're telling me, you'd be okay with him getting brain damage or ending up in a wheel chair so you can have one last "EPIC DREAM MATCH" and worse, you'd have him go over Brock.
-I think that fans rate whether a match or a show was good or not, depending on whether or not they got what they wanted. I know I mentioned this previously ,but I wanted to state it again. Balor goes over Roman on RAW "greatest RAW in years" flip the result, while still putting Balor over and I'm sure it would've been "it was okay, but so much for a new era, Roman goes over again, UGH!" Even if literally that was the only thing that changed.
-Nakamura gets a free pass for having a limited move set. Like, he has some diversity, but it seems most of his matches consist of his taunts and knee strikes/kicks. But other guys who have limited move sets or have a set of moves they do all the time get crapped on. I mean, I don't mind it because in my opinion, the reason these guys have only a handful of signature moves is so the crowd can get behind them.
Like, when Cena does his comeback, the fans pop for it because they know the sequence and can get behind it. If he started doing a 100 moves per match, none of them would have any impact and the fans wouldn't be able to get behind them.
However, you can't let one guy get a pass and then complain about others just because he's your "indy darling" that's bull.
-Finally, while the occasional match that is more style over substance is fun. I feel it litters the wrestling scene too much and I feel most of these "matches of the year" are really overrated. It's like any match that has two guys/teams/whatever doing 30 minutes worth of high spots and blowing their load 30 seconds in gets praise. And then you end up with like a list of matches come December that's 10 pages long because you'd have every match from every PWG show, every Takeover match, every match of your favorite, etc, etc. If every match is match of the year, then no match is match of the year, cause nothing stands out.
Oh, side note, Nakamura vs Sami was okay, but highly overrated.
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Post by The Constable on Aug 28, 2016 21:53:41 GMT -5
Chris Benoit should be in the WWE Hall of Fame
Roman Reigns should be in the lower mid card (like where Jack Swagger is now)
The USOS are an extremely boring Tag Team and don't deserve to be anywhere near a Tag Title
Damian Sandow should have never been let go
Good (Main Event) Wrestlers are spending way too much time in NXT when they should be on the main roster by now
Tye Dillinger should be the face of NXT
Cesaro Kevin Owens and SamI Zayn should be World Champions by now
Brock Lesnar needs to start putting together good matches (not one sided matches or CONTROVERSIAL ending)
Big Show should retire now
A New Day member need to be World Champion now
Jerry Lawler is the worst commentator in the WWE (yes even more than JBL)
Daniel Bryan should be a commentator
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Post by Rule 30 on Aug 28, 2016 21:57:22 GMT -5
Who cares whether or not a woman is attractive. If you're not getting your fix by watching two grown women making stupid faces and pretending to hit each other just watch porn like the rest of us.
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Post by Rule 30 on Aug 28, 2016 22:00:48 GMT -5
There needs to be a big boy division where you can't way under 305 lbs. This is the best idea in the thread. And you can only be in the division if you use the big boy senton.
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Post by darkestknight on Aug 28, 2016 22:04:50 GMT -5
-The Streak should have never been broken, and if it *HAD* to be, I would have chosen Kane, Sting, HBK, HHH, or Cena to do it over Brock.
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Post by The Constable on Aug 28, 2016 22:11:13 GMT -5
There needs to be a big boy division where you can't way under 305 lbs. OWC The Over Weight Classic Or Super Heavyweight Classic (to be PC)
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Aug 28, 2016 22:23:23 GMT -5
I really enjoyed too cool
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 22:32:55 GMT -5
1. Dolph Ziggler should be feuding for either heavyweight championship at the moment. 2. WWE needs to bring back Intergender wrestling. 3. I think Roman Reigns belongs in NXT. 4. Natalya needs to drop the hart gimmick and senior veteran gimmick, and move into something completely different. 5. Paige needs to be sent back to NXT once she returns. 6. Alberto Del Rio doesn't belong in WWE, I think he's better suited in Japan or Lucha Underground. 7. Big Show should of retired years ago. 8. Brock Lesnar isn't needed in the current WWE. 9. Becky Lynch should be feuding with Charlotte instead of Sasha Banks. 10. The Bella's need to retire from wrestling and focus on modeling for the WWE.
Oh and Hulk Hogan deserves a second chance and should be brought back to the WWE asap.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Aug 28, 2016 22:41:35 GMT -5
With all due respect to the women that do it, intergender wrestling is uncomfortable to watch.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 28, 2016 22:50:15 GMT -5
Who cares whether or not a woman is attractive. If you're not getting your fix by watching two grown women making stupid faces and pretending to hit each other just watch porn like the rest of us. I mean, yeah.
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Post by ππ΅πβοΈ on Aug 28, 2016 22:54:08 GMT -5
The Invasion angle was (potentially) the greatest angle in Professional Sports Wrestling Entertainment history. So much so, that I have all 7 Invasion Pay Per Views on DVD. Even though I would change so many things, I still loved it. My favorite Stables are, in this order: Four Horsemen New World Order D-Generation X Evolution Main Event Mafia My favorite SuperStars are, in this order: Chris Jericho Stone Cold Steve Austin / The Rock Kurt Angle Ric Flair / Hulk Hogan The Invasion had POTENTIAL to be the best angle... its execution got me to quit wrestling... favorite stables and the Hart Foundation is not listed? wth is wrong with you.. no JOB squad? no Ministry? You're truly crazy man... we can no longer be friends..Β The title of the thread is "What Are Your Controversial Wrestling Opinions??". HAHA!! I don't know where I would place the Hart Foundation. Maybe number 10. The Ministry is ranked below the Corporate Ministry on my list. The J. O. B. Squad is not on any of my lists. HAHA!!
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Post by Rob on Aug 28, 2016 23:06:51 GMT -5
I still think Daniel Bryan was the limo driver. ]
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