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Post by Sizzle on Oct 31, 2016 8:16:35 GMT -5
Did you just say Universal? As in, Universal Championship? You know what that means. You're about to be (guest account) real in' quick.
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Post by bad guy™ on Oct 31, 2016 8:18:14 GMT -5
You're about to be (guest account) real in' quick. Don't tempt me boy.
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Post by Sizzle on Oct 31, 2016 8:22:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 9:00:00 GMT -5
So Roman kicks out of all that including a ACCOLADE WITH A CHAIN WRAPPED AROUND HIS FACE. But wins with one spear sounds about right.
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 31, 2016 9:27:39 GMT -5
The booking of these RAW shows are textbook "HOW NOT TO BOOK A WRESTLING SHOW." - I can't stand the Reigns comebacks. That chain Accolade looked ing brutal, and then he gets major energy and spears Rusev for the count. GTFO. - Enzo/Cass are the biggest/hottest thing going on RAW right now, yet I cannot remember the last time they won at an NXT or WWE ppv. Unless they are saving them to win the titles at WrestleMania, WWE is going to royally this up and ruin a "what could have been" run. - Owens/Rollins should have been the main event. I understand WWE probably didn't want another screwy finish to end a ppv, but imo this match was superb and Y2J coming down to help KO retain was done masterfully. I can see Jericho hounding KO for a Universal Title shot but Owens keeps ignoring him, finally turning on Jericho during the RAW/SD Survivor Series Tag Match. - Where does the tag division go from here? Its obvious Cesaro/Sheamus will get another chance but lose, setting up a final match between them. Is Gallows/Anderson going to challenge New Day for the 150th time? - Just someone explain to me, what is the point of having Charlotte win....AGAIN? I know they want her as the face of the division, but my god. This feud will unfortunately continue and just push Sasha back down the ladder. In response to Point 1: If Super Cena can pass out from an accolade, Roman Reigns should pass out to one with a chain. In response to Point 2: While an argument can be made that it should have closed the show, I get why they spaced it out as they did. It's still a maine vent despite not closing the show, and I, like many fans, were invested in it. In response to Point 4 and 5: WWE has a formula it follows. Sasha wins on Raw, Loses to Charlotte PPV. New Day faces tag team. Loses Raw. Loses by DQ at the next PPV, and then wins on second PPV. It's science.
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Post by hbkowns on Oct 31, 2016 9:52:35 GMT -5
Booker T was stupidly annoying in that post show. He has no idea how to conduct an interview without sounding like an idiot. Him Jerry Lawler are brutal to watch.
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Post by KingOfKings™ on Oct 31, 2016 10:12:21 GMT -5
I'm done watching RAW for good.. I thought the match last night was good and hope whoever crapped on these two women before the PPV and said the match should be a "piss break" have a new found respect for both Sasha & Charlotte. But WWE... what are you doing? This is embarrassing that Charlotte keeps getting the title handed to her in PPVs and Sasha got both her wins on two pointless RAWs.. This match should have ended their feud for long time but nope.. looks like we're gonna get a rematch either before or after Survivor Series
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 31, 2016 10:56:08 GMT -5
Whether you're a fan of Charlotte or Sasha, that result just feels dumb mainly because that should have been the end of their feud. Sasha is guaranteed a rematch and though they could do Last Woman Standing or something like that, the cell should have ended it. It has gone on for far too long anyway and it felt like it should have ended the feud.
For the record, I was fine with Reigns winning to end the Rusev feud. That feud has sucked.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 31, 2016 11:07:57 GMT -5
WWE Hell in a Cell October 30th, 2016 | TD Garden in Boston, Massachusetts | Attendance: 16,119
Man, these kickoff shows can really be a drag right? Even with the lovely Renee Young working the Raw pre-shows. Anyway, the match itself on the pre-show was pretty good. Contracted guy Cedric Alexander, Lince Dorado and Sin Cara defeated non-contracted fellows Tony Nese, Drew Gulak and Ariya Daivari. It was a fun six man sprint that saw Alexander pick up the win with the Lumbar Check at 9:42. Like most cruiserweight matches though, it didn’t seem to matter or have much reason for people to care. Just an enjoyable few minutes of wrestling. (***)
WWE United States Championship Hell in a Cell: Roman Reigns (c) def. Rusev in 24:49 When people talk about Hell in a Cell matches not being anything special anymore, this could be the match they point to. This was really just two guys having a No DQ match where the cell just happened to be around. The fight half of this was largely uninteresting. Things picked up a bit as the match progressed, but it never got that good. Both guys used the kendo stick a fair amount of times. Rusev mostly beat up Reigns though so we got the Reigns superman comeback. He powered out of the Accolade, including once with a steel chain wrapped around him and won with a Spear while Rusev was on the steps. Ho-hum. It went too long, Rusev looked like a monster for a bit and then came off weak. Not at all on the level of Reigns/Wyatt last year. **½
Bayley def. Dana Brooke in 6:27 Dana Brooke was on the road to becoming a pretty solid competitor in NXT. Her team with Emma was working wonders and I thought there was potential there. Then she got called up too fast, Emma got hurt and she got saddled with Charlotte in a combination that has never clicked. This rivalry has featured some pretty bad matches and this was sadly probably their best, but still not good. Dana worked the arm, but Bayley decided not to really sell it and won with the Bayley to Belly. A really lackluster outing. *¾
Karl Anderson and Luke Gallows def. Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady in 6:42 Enzo and Cass were great on the mic before the bell as always. Those dudes, especially Enzo, just have a lot of charisma. This was a decent match that was missing something. I think the issue was that while the crowd loves Enzo and Cass, they stay quiet for parts of their matches. They didn’t seem to care about the heat segment on Enzo and maybe part of it is because Anderson and Gallows have been booked like total crap, so nobody takes them seriously. Once Cass got the hot tag, the fans woke up a bit. It didn’t mean much though since once Enzo became legal again, he fell to the Magic Killer. A really generic tag with little heat. **¼
WWE Universal Championship Hell in a Cell: Kevin Owens (c) def. Seth Rollins in 23:13 The match between these two at Clash of Champions was a massive disappointment. This was much better. They wrestled like they wanted to steal the show and the match was heading down that road. Then Chris Jericho got involved. Don’t get me wrong, Jericho has been the highlight of the feud but it was too much here. Other than the SummerSlam match between Jericho and Rollins, every Universal Title match has been marred by overbooking and interference. I would have liked something different here. Owens took an insane bump where Seth powerbombed him through two tables, one of which was wedged at an angle between the cell and the ring. Jericho broke that pin up and Seth still pulled his best Roman Reigns impersonation by kicking his ass anyway. In the end, the 2 on 1 disadvantage was too much and Owens powerbombed him onto two open chairs to retain. It was a spectacle of a cell match, which was good. I would have liked to see Owens be handled better here but this was still the MOTN up to this point by far. ***¾
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: The Brian Kendrick def. TJ Perkins (c) in 10:29 This was on pace to be the best match of their series thus far. Their chemistry gelled better here than in previous matches but the crowd was dead after the cell match. It came down to the story in the end. Kendrick has wanted Perkins to throw the match and let him win. Kendrick started to sell a knee injury. The official checked on him but Perkins and commentary both couldn’t even take a guess that he was faking. Perkins played stupid babyface, checked on him, got headbutted and then tapped out to the captain’s hook. I know face characters are dumb but goodness. The fans never bought the finish, TJ looked dumb and this had a weak atmosphere. **½
Raw Tag Team Championship: Cesaro and Sheamus def. The New Day (c) w/ Kofi Kingston via disqualification in 11:21 I was surprised to see Kofi Kingston sit this out, while Xavier Woods got the ring time. I wasn’t upset about it though since I like Woods. Their match on Raw was really fun but this one never quite reached that level. It was still pretty good and I totally bought into a false finish near the end, despite the fact that I never thought New Day’s reign would end here. Cesaro had Woods locked in the sharpshooter and Woods is the guy who lost in their first title reign. Woods held on while Sheamus went at it with Big E. Kofi laid him out though and the referee called for the DQ at the same time that Woods tapped out. I get the idea behind it, since it extends the New Day reign, while also setting up a rematch, but it just felt kind of flat. **¾
Raw Women’s Championship Hell in a Cell: Charlotte def. Sasha Banks in 22:11 As the cell was being lowered, Charlotte attacked Sasha and they fought outside. Charlotte powerbombed Sasha through the announce table and they overdid the whole “CAN SASHA CONTINUE?” angle. It took a long time, Sasha’s stretcher job was over the top and Charlotte yelling things during it made me mute my TV. Sasha got up eventually and the match officially began. Once it did, it was among the most brutal women’s matches in history. Chairs and tables were brought into play. Sasha had the spot of the match with a Spider-Man like springboard off the cell Meteora. I felt scared for Sasha several times throughout though as she seems hell bent on breaking her neck on some spots. The best decision here would have been Sasha winning in her hometown but instead, Charlotte brutalized her and won after throwing her into a table several times and hitting Natural Selection. Not only was the decision bad, but the finish felt anti-climactic after everything they had done to each other. Add in that this now means the feud must continue when it was already dragging ass and this was just a really sour way to end things. I liked Sasha’s back injury causing her to fail on the powerbomb which led to her defeat though. Anyway, the only things that kept this from being truly great were the finish, result and the overdone angle beforehand. Other than that, this ruled and the women showed that they were worthy of a main event spot. ***¾
Overall: 6.5/10. There was some good on this show, some bad and a whole lot of mediocre. Okay, the only bad thing was Bayley/Dana but two of the three cell matches were really good in Owens/Rollins and Charlotte/Sasha. The rest of the show was very middle of the pack. A disappointing US Title cell, Tag Title match and Cruiserweight Title match, along with a ho-hum Enzo & Cass tag match rounded out the show. It continued to suffer from the issues that Raw suffers from. It went too long (I don’t believe the Smackdown PPVs have gone over three hours) and had several questionable booking decisions.
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Post by J12 on Oct 31, 2016 11:09:26 GMT -5
Reigns/Rusev was fine, but their matches have all been largely uninteresting and their feud has been terrible. Reigns is an awful babyface and his feuds will continue to fail until they figure that out.
Bayley/Dana was fine. The right woman won, obviously.
Don't ask me to take Anderson and Gallows seriously just because they beat Enzo & Cass decisively. The damage is already done.
Rollins/Owens was really entertaining, though Jericho probably should have just been in the match. Owens' table bump was scary.
The Cruiserweight division is awful, they are the new diva's division. Complete and total failure.
The tag division is going nowhere fast. New Day is unbelievably stale.
As a fan of Charlotte, the finish to the Women's Title match was unbelievably bad. For starters, it undermined the fact that the women were the main event by sending the fans home pissed off. Second of all, both of Sasha's title runs have been miserable. If they're not comfortable putting the belt on her, then don't do it. Don't start racking up useless title wins for these women. The Women's division on Raw was the one thing I was still watching on that show, and last night effectively killed off any interest I had in it.
Raw is a dumpster fire.
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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on Oct 31, 2016 11:34:26 GMT -5
I thought the show last night was good but some of the finishes were bad. Here are my bad points of the show - Dana Brook isn't that great in the ring and they should have kept her in NXT. - The New Day keeping the Tag Team Titles their gimmick is becoming bad, boring, and stale af. I hope any team beats them and takes the titles. - Charlotte winning every ing ppv match is ridiculous. I know Vince McMahon has a hard on for Ric Flair but she can take a lost on a ppv. Since Sasha has been there she hasn't won a singles ppv match (I am not counting that tag team match from BattleGround this year with Bayley against Charlotte and Dana Brook) - I hate when they (Vince McMahon) have the hometown hero lose in their hometown. The show should have ended with Sasha going over.
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Post by bigshab421 on Oct 31, 2016 12:30:30 GMT -5
Whether you're a fan of Charlotte or Sasha, that result just feels dumb mainly because that should have been the end of their feud. Sasha is guaranteed a rematch and though they could do Last Woman Standing or something like that, the cell should have ended it. It has gone on for far too long anyway and it felt like it should have ended the feud. For the record, I was fine with Reigns winning to end the Rusev feud. That feud has sucked.Thats all well and good because I agree it did suck, but the real problem is that Reigns seems to be moving on to the Universal title. If WWE thinks the best way to get Reigns over is having Reigns hold two titles simultaneously, they are either blind and deaf, or flat out ignorant.
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Post by hbkowns on Oct 31, 2016 12:43:05 GMT -5
Charlotte seemed to be sandbagging some of those high spots and that was really annoying. 2 tables were pulled out and they did NOTHING of importance with it.
Other than that, it was a decent match but a very very bad move to have Charlotte go over, especially in Sasha's hometown. Nobody really gives a damn about this ppv winning steak she has going on, people wanted a feel good moment to close the show and maybe they thought that was a good way to draw heat on Charlotte but it wasn't the case, people seemed bummed. Bad move.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2016 13:45:11 GMT -5
Whether you're a fan of Charlotte or Sasha, that result just feels dumb mainly because that should have been the end of their feud. Sasha is guaranteed a rematch and though they could do Last Woman Standing or something like that, the cell should have ended it. It has gone on for far too long anyway and it felt like it should have ended the feud. Agreed it was a good match I really enjoyed it but the feud needs to be over now, Charlotte winning again to me is just boring and I see no point in caring for the RAW Women's title anymore since it's changed hands 5 times within 6 months...
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Post by J12 on Oct 31, 2016 14:13:22 GMT -5
Just thinking about it more, the finish to Charlotte/Sasha was a total trainwreck. It's a shame, after such a fun, historical match, that it ended with such a thud. Just awfully booked.
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Post by Sizzle on Oct 31, 2016 14:16:06 GMT -5
Just thinking about it more, the finish to Charlotte/Sasha was a total trainwreck. It's a shame, after such a fun, historical match, that it ended with such a thud. Just awfully booked. I don't know if it was possible, but I think a Natural Selection through the table would've been sweet.
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Post by J12 on Oct 31, 2016 14:18:52 GMT -5
Just thinking about it more, the finish to Charlotte/Sasha was a total trainwreck. It's a shame, after such a fun, historical match, that it ended with such a thud. Just awfully booked. I don't know if it was possible, but I think a Natural Selection through the table would've been sweet. If the table had stayed in the middle of the ring (ish), Sasha could have lifted her for a powerslam, but her lower back could've given out (like the powerbomb), allowing Charlotte to flip over her into the Natural Selection through the table. It might have looked a little odd if they didn't execute it perfectly, but it doesn't seem like a super dangerous spot, and it definitely would've been a better finish.
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Post by KingOfKings™ on Oct 31, 2016 14:41:10 GMT -5
Rumor is Sasha was originally going over but Vince changed it last second so Charlotte goes over.
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Post by Rob on Oct 31, 2016 14:55:02 GMT -5
Basically this is how Sasha/Charlottes feud stays going:
Sasha wins title Charlotte wins rematch Sasha wins rematch Charlotte wins rematch Sasha wins rematch Charlotte wins rematch Sasha wins rematch Charlotte wins rematch
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Post by That 80s Guy on Oct 31, 2016 15:01:49 GMT -5
-- I was kind of hoping to see Sasha put Charlotte in the Bank Statement, on top of the cage. Ref sees Charlotte tap, and that would be it. Sasha celebrates the win on top of the cage, in front of her hometown crowd, as Charlotte is assisted off of the cage. Would've been an amazing way to end the feud.
Regardless, the 2 of them told an AMAZING story last night, just flatted out when it came time to do the finish. Apparently Vince changed his mind within the hour of the main event, so you can't entirely blame the 2 of them for wrestling 'on the call' like that. But the efforts are much, much appreciated!
The ending of the other Women's match was kinda faulted out also. Dana is improving, regardless of what others say, even thou she was called up pre-maturely, she's still hanging in there and you have to give her credit for that. But Bayley hitting a B2B outta nowhere and getting the duke (especially after the punishment), it seemed really off. (note*: with Bayley sporting the sore-strips also, maybe Mattel outta make removable decals of them ha).
And as others have eluted to, the Reigns/Rusev finish was kinda non-sensical as well. It should've been more than a spear to take down Rusev, after all the punishment on Roman. Seems like a bad theme here.
But it was nice seeing my personal fav team in the E, get a win over the most-over tag team the company has right now, Enzo & Cassidy.
Aside from the streaming issues (tried on my laptop, then my iPad, then my phone, all 3 were F'n up)... the PPV wasn't terrible, could've used improvement, but any effort given is appreciated on my end.
Grade: C
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