Will
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Post by Will on Dec 11, 2016 0:04:22 GMT -5
Vice Sports published an article that revealed some backstage details regarding WWE and it’s operations. One detailed revealed in the piece revealed that there was heat between Triple H, Stephanie McMahon and Shane McMahon. It’s being said that at one point, Shane tried to take over WWE creative back in 2012. Shane McMahon had made an attempt to take over creative in 2012. It also speaks about the tension between Shane and his sister Stephanie and Triple H. This had been known for a while, but now there’s official information from a close source giving insider information. A few years ago, as Levesque was gearing up to launch NXT, ratings were down and Vince was on edge. The writing room became a battlefield, and even people outside of the company took notice, including Shane McMahon. In March 2012, Vince, according to a source familiar with the exchange, called a surprise meeting at the WWE production office, a separate facility from the main headquarters in Stamford, Connecticut. Shane had returned with a friend: James Frey, the author of the critically acclaimed and, later, highly controversial A Million Little Pieces and by that time the CEO of Full Fathom Five, a content creation company he founded in 2010. (A spokesperson for WWE originally denied that Shane had approached WWE in any capacity between 2009 and 2016, but later confirmed that this meeting took place when asked about this exchange specifically.) The article also described the reaction Stephanie McMahon had when she found out her brother was coming into town. “When Stephanie found out Shane was going to be there, she went white in the face,” the source told me. “And Paul freaked out.” Shane had set up the meeting through Kevin Dunn, WWE’s executive vice-president of production and Vince’s right-hand man for nearly three decades; he is the second-highest-paid employee at the company behind Vince (according to SEC documents, Dunn’s 2016 base salary is $909,560). Shane had a simple proposal: that he take over all of creative, including the writer’s room, with Frey and his team at Full Fathom Five as consultants.” this is a very interesting read, here it is in fullalso another thing i found odd is what triple H told him in the email just makes me wonder why Shane is doing this... "Since coming back into the picture at his father's company earlier this year, Shane has largely been seen as an on-screen personality, dubbed the fictional "commissioner" of SmackDown, which has split off into a separate brand from Raw, with an independent roster and creative team. He does not yet have an official title in the back office, nor is he on the WWE Board of Directors with his sister Stephanie and brother-in-law Paul Levesque. "Shane is back as a performer on our TV programming," Levesque told me over email." |
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Post by k5 on Dec 11, 2016 2:41:30 GMT -5
it's a multi million dollar corporation, sad reality is that there will inevitably be some kind of tension between shane and stephanie.
very interesting article...i feel like this one will be oddly notable in a hindsight type of way in a decade after we see what choices vince makes.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 11, 2016 9:32:58 GMT -5
Tensions between both sides is why Shane left in the first place. Shane grew up in the business; working production and helping put the sets together. Steph literally stepped into a big backstage role without paying her dues like Shane did.
When HHH got in the picture, backstage rumors intensified between both sides. Shane was said to be a better "people-person," and that the performers generally loved him. Steph was said to be a better "business-person," but that she should have never been in charge of creative.
I honestly hope Shane gets as much control, if not more than Steph and HHH once Vince is gone. We've seen the WWE for the last 15 years with those two in charge of creative and it's been a lot more bad than good. With them in charge we will continue to see Steph as the main heel and neutering top faces on tv every week. I honestly don't see Shane becoming a big on screen presence if he became in charge of creative.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2016 10:02:38 GMT -5
Tensions between both sides is why Shane left in the first place. Shane grew up in the business; working production and helping put the sets together. Steph literally stepped into a big backstage role without paying her dues like Shane did. When HHH got in the picture, backstage rumors intensified between both sides. Shane was said to be a better "people-person," and that the performers generally loved him. Steph was said to be a better "business-person," but that she should have never been in charge of creative. I honestly hope Shane gets as much control, if not more than Steph and HHH once Vince is gone. We've seen the WWE for the last 15 years with those two in charge of creative and it's been a lot more bad than good. With them in charge we will continue to see Steph as the main heel and neutering top faces on tv every week. I honestly don't see Shane becoming a big on screen presence if he became in charge of creative.Exactly with Vince he got his comeuppance. With HHH and Steph it's been three years of this and they have yet to get their comeuppance. but nobody will say anything because of NXT. |
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Post by The Brain on Dec 11, 2016 10:38:46 GMT -5
Wow what a surprise more Mcmahon family drama...
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Post by LA Times on Dec 11, 2016 11:01:37 GMT -5
Tensions between both sides is why Shane left in the first place. Shane grew up in the business; working production and helping put the sets together. Steph literally stepped into a big backstage role without paying her dues like Shane did. When HHH got in the picture, backstage rumors intensified between both sides. Shane was said to be a better "people-person," and that the performers generally loved him. Steph was said to be a better "business-person," but that she should have never been in charge of creative. I honestly hope Shane gets as much control, if not more than Steph and HHH once Vince is gone. We've seen the WWE for the last 15 years with those two in charge of creative and it's been a lot more bad than good. With them in charge we will continue to see Steph as the main heel and neutering top faces on tv every week. I honestly don't see Shane becoming a big on screen presence if he became in charge of creative. Was it just me, or did every Raw for a period of 2 and a half years from 2014-2016 revolve around HHH and Stephanie McMahon with no good guys winning a feud against them? |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 11, 2016 11:04:40 GMT -5
Tensions between both sides is why Shane left in the first place. Shane grew up in the business; working production and helping put the sets together. Steph literally stepped into a big backstage role without paying her dues like Shane did. When HHH got in the picture, backstage rumors intensified between both sides. Shane was said to be a better "people-person," and that the performers generally loved him. Steph was said to be a better "business-person," but that she should have never been in charge of creative. I honestly hope Shane gets as much control, if not more than Steph and HHH once Vince is gone. We've seen the WWE for the last 15 years with those two in charge of creative and it's been a lot more bad than good. With them in charge we will continue to see Steph as the main heel and neutering top faces on tv every week. I honestly don't see Shane becoming a big on screen presence if he became in charge of creative. Was it just me, or did every Raw for a period of 2 and a half years from 2014-2016 revolve around HHH and Stephanie McMahon with no good guys winning a feud against them? And the sad part is people want Mick Foley gone which will mean HHH will return and it will be just like that again. |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 11, 2016 11:08:41 GMT -5
HHH is in charge of NXT and it's the best thing WWE has produced in years so if he had full control of WWE without Vince we would be watching a 5 star product.
He hates Dunn aswell which is good where it seems that Dunn and Shane may get on well which is a bad thing.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 11, 2016 11:37:52 GMT -5
I try to go by the philosophy that "unless I hear it or see it come from the actual persons involved I tend to take everything with skepticism". So I'm not going to get all worked up over this "report". We have no proof any of this is true.
That being said, I think the best case scenario would be to do exactly what they are pretending to do on TV. Give Shane full control of SD. And give Steph/Hunter full control of RAW. Don't have them intermingle until the four big PPVs. Because (besides for that third hour of RAW dragging things down) both shows still feel too similar IMO.
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Post by J12 on Dec 11, 2016 11:39:23 GMT -5
It should be noted that many former employees, who are critical of Vince McMahon and absolutely adore Shane as a person, have noted that he doesn't really have a knack for creative. They've said his ideas are often flat out ridiculous.
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Post by PJ on Dec 11, 2016 12:35:34 GMT -5
It's always "from a close source giving inside information." Which translated always means "nobody in the know"
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Post by tylerbreezee on Dec 11, 2016 12:38:47 GMT -5
it's a multi million dollar corporation, sad reality is that there will inevitably be some kind of tension between shane and stephanie. very interesting article...i feel like this one will be oddly notable in a hindsight type of way in a decade after we see what choices vince makes. It's actually around 1.5 billion or more if I heard correctly recently |
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Post by k5 on Dec 11, 2016 12:46:16 GMT -5
Tensions between both sides is why Shane left in the first place. Shane grew up in the business; working production and helping put the sets together. Steph literally stepped into a big backstage role without paying her dues like Shane did. When HHH got in the picture, backstage rumors intensified between both sides. Shane was said to be a better "people-person," and that the performers generally loved him. Steph was said to be a better "business-person," but that she should have never been in charge of creative. I honestly hope Shane gets as much control, if not more than Steph and HHH once Vince is gone. We've seen the WWE for the last 15 years with those two in charge of creative and it's been a lot more bad than good. With them in charge we will continue to see Steph as the main heel and neutering top faces on tv every week. I honestly don't see Shane becoming a big on screen presence if he became in charge of creative. Was it just me, or did every Raw for a period of 2 and a half years from 2014-2016 revolve around HHH and Stephanie McMahon with no good guys winning a feud against them? that is most certainly how it felt. that was also triple h's career after being given the raw championship for absolutely no reason (he was literally just handed it, no tournament or anything). two years of triple h promos starting raw and a crapty evolution 6-man match to finish the night. |
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Post by BSR on Dec 11, 2016 13:22:22 GMT -5
Was it just me, or did every Raw for a period of 2 and a half years from 2014-2016 revolve around HHH and Stephanie McMahon with no good guys winning a feud against them? that is most certainly how it felt. that was also triple h's career after being given the raw championship for absolutely no reason (he was literally just handed it, no tournament or anything). two years of triple h promos starting raw and a crapty evolution 6-man match to finish the night. It was crap like that and cena that almost killed wrestling for me. |
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Post by PJ on Dec 11, 2016 14:07:22 GMT -5
At least Triple H had/has the talent to pull off those promos and was the main reason I kept watching wrestling. And that was a fantastic story arc to just have Bischoff hand him the title. It was perfect for his character at the time. Other than Styles, Orton and Miz Smackdown now is pretty much unwatchable for me now. Ambrose is a complete joke and this whole Elsworth story is just as bad and totally ruining SD. How Ambrose hasn't been handed his walking papers yet makes me think he has something on Vince. lol
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Post by k5 on Dec 11, 2016 14:25:14 GMT -5
At least Triple H had/has the talent to pull off those promos and was the main reason I kept watching wrestling. And that was a fantastic story arc to just have Bischoff hand him the title. It was perfect for his character at the time. Other than Styles, Orton and Miz Smackdown now is pretty much unwatchable for me now. Ambrose is a complete joke and this whole Elsworth story is just as bad and totally ruining SD. How Ambrose hasn't been handed his walking papers yet makes me think he has something on Vince. lol yeah, that must be why smackdown rose in prominence and was viewed as a far better show than raw for those years.. |
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Post by PJ on Dec 11, 2016 14:47:06 GMT -5
At least Triple H had/has the talent to pull off those promos and was the main reason I kept watching wrestling. And that was a fantastic story arc to just have Bischoff hand him the title. It was perfect for his character at the time. Other than Styles, Orton and Miz Smackdown now is pretty much unwatchable for me now. Ambrose is a complete joke and this whole Elsworth story is just as bad and totally ruining SD. How Ambrose hasn't been handed his walking papers yet makes me think he has something on Vince. lol yeah, that must be why smackdown rose in prominence and was viewed as a far better show than raw for those years.. Well first off I said for me. And if you are talking about the original brand split I really only watch SD for Angle and Benoit. The rest of the show I would channl flip, because I didn't care about the rest of the matches. There might have been another wrestler I enjoyed watching, but once Taker became a biker I lost interest in him. If you are saying that about the new product there is no way you will get me to watch a show revolving around Ambrose and Elsworth. It will never happen. Ambrose with his catfight beatdowns that connect with nothing but air, that stupid fallaway slingshot clothesline or his cheesy overselling goofball facial expressions during his matches makes me actually feel embarrassed to watch it. |
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Post by marino13 on Dec 11, 2016 15:05:44 GMT -5
Bischoff handing Triple H the World champion was done to garner more heat for him. It amazes me that more people don't know that. He had just turned on Shawn and was still receiving a fair amount of cheers. He also went on to loose the main event tag match when RVD pinned him. Which set up RVD as the top contender.
Fans hate heels who brag about something they didn't earn on their own. It's classic booking 101.
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Post by k5 on Dec 11, 2016 15:11:59 GMT -5
yeah, that must be why smackdown rose in prominence and was viewed as a far better show than raw for those years.. Well first off I said for me. And if you are talking about the original brand split I really only watch SD for Angle and Benoit. The rest of the show I would channl flip, because I didn't care about the rest of the matches. There might have been another wrestler I enjoyed watching, but once Taker became a biker I lost interest in him. If you are saying that about the new product there is no way you will get me to watch a show revolving around Ambrose and Elsworth. It will never happen. Ambrose with his catfight beatdowns that connect with nothing but air, that stupid fallaway slingshot clothesline or his cheesy overselling goofball facial expressions during his matches makes me actually feel embarrassed to watch it. i wasn't talking about the new draft - i don't share the same disliking of ambrose as you, although i'm not huge on him. ambrose kind of reminds me of like the fake razor ramon for a brian pillman. but i don't enjoy the elsworth angle at all. |
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Post by k5 on Dec 11, 2016 15:27:04 GMT -5
Bischoff handing Triple H the World champion was done to garner more heat for him. It amazes me that more people don't know that. He had just turned on Shawn and was still receiving a fair amount of cheers. He also went on to loose the main event tag match when RVD pinned him. Which set up RVD as the top contender. Fans hate heels who brag about something they didn't earn on their own. It's classic booking 101. that is fundamentally clear that the purpose of it was to garner heat, but all it really did was make people lose interest. it also completely wrecked any sense of legitimacy the belt had since it was it's incarnation. just like triple h's promos to start raw - they were definitely to garner heat and hype for feuds, but all it did was drain the audience and make people lose interest and switch to smackdown. i like triple h as a performer, but the writing in those years was legit terrible. triple h being given a title, eugene - a handicap - that triple h demeaned on a weekly basis (i'll be fair, smackdown had zach gowen, who endured similar treatment), triple winning a feud with booker t that had racist elements in the storyline, and let's not forget that  ing feud with kane. |
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