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"Attitude"
Feb 9, 2017 20:29:47 GMT -5
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Feb 9, 2017 20:29:47 GMT -5
Ok, so I always see there is alot of debate about when the attitude era started. Most people say 1998 sometime, I've always said 1997. Well since the network came out I've been watching all the Raw's and ppvs in order. So I've been watching through the horrible (imo) hbk 96 reign. I had a hard time getting through it with several breaks. WWF picked up again right before Survivor Series 1996. I truly believe once the MSG crowd turned on HBK and Sid won the title is when the attitude era started. After that Raw changed drastically, they had "tough man contests " or heel vs. Heels matches, Shawn, Austin, and Hitman started blurring the lines of reality. Vince and JR on commentary kept saying how this guy had attitude and that guy had attitude and how the WWF had attitude. Not sure if anyone cares lol but it's obvious that they were pushing a new "attitude" right after SS 96.
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Post by The Brain on Feb 9, 2017 21:06:37 GMT -5
IMO this segment started the Attitude Era. |
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Feb 9, 2017 21:08:36 GMT -5
IMO this segment started the Attitude Era. I can't argue with that! They just started saying attitude so much after SS 96. I still remember being shocked watching Austin invade Pillmans house. Awesome tv. |
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Post by The Brain on Feb 9, 2017 21:12:42 GMT -5
IMO this segment started the Attitude Era. I can't argue with that! They just started saying attitude so much after SS 96. I still remember being shocked watching Austin invade Pillmans house. Awesome tv.It truly was. That's when they really turned the corner and said to hell with corny angles and gimmicks. Thus IMO the beginning of ''Attitude''. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 21:28:43 GMT -5
I would actually go back about a year earlier for WWF. Raw January 22, 1996, coming off the Royal Rumble PPV, opened with a parental advisory, then Sunny playing pool in lingerie while warning that Raw contains action of a "graphic nature". Then a highlight package from Royal Rumble where Vince announces "a new era in the World Wrestling Federation" with clips of Diesel flipping off Undertaker, Sunny showing her ass and Goldust/Marlena tongue kissing. Check it out.I think one might be able to make a case for the Attitude Era beginning with Nitro in '95, as WCW was experimenting with tweeners, ambiguous loyalties, heels playing to the crowd, face vs face and heel vs heel matches, not to mention Hogan wearing black and flirting with the darkside. WCW was where I first noticed the fans starting to cheer heels as much as the babyfaces. There was still a lot of cartoony BS in WCW at this time too, but I think at very least you could say that WWF's Attitude Era was a response to Vince realizing that WCW was already moving in that direction, albeit perhaps more gradually and with more subtlety than Sunny shoving her ass in our face while warning us that parental discretion is advised. |
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Post by The Brain on Feb 9, 2017 21:39:58 GMT -5
I would actually go back about a year earlier for WWF. Raw January 22, 1996, coming off the Royal Rumble PPV, opened with a parental advisory, then Sunny playing pool in lingerie while warning that Raw contains action of a "graphic nature". Then a highlight package from Royal Rumble where Vince announces "a new era in the World Wrestling Federation" with clips of Diesel flipping off Undertaker, Sunny showing her ass and Goldust/Marlena tongue kissing. Check it out.I think one might be able to make a case for the Attitude Era beginning with Nitro in '95, as WCW was experimenting with tweeners, ambiguous loyalties, heels playing to the crowd, face vs face and heel vs heel matches, not to mention Hogan wearing black and flirting with the darkside. WCW was where I first noticed the fans starting to cheer heels as much as the babyfaces. There was still a lot of cartoony BS in WCW at this time too, but I think at very least you could say that WWF's Attitude Era was a response to Vince realizing that WCW was already moving in that direction, albeit perhaps more gradually and with more subtlety than Sunny shoving her ass in our face while warning us that parental discretion is advised. Cornette said Philly was the 1st city to do this way back in the NWA days. Made me proud lol |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 9, 2017 23:50:22 GMT -5
Doesnt WWE themselves say that Austins 3:16 promo was the start of the Attitude Era as it ushered in a new type of star & mentality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 9:24:17 GMT -5
Doesnt WWE themselves say that Austins 3:16 promo was the start of the Attitude Era as it ushered in a new type of star & mentality. Retroactively, yeah. It's probably more satisfying to say that it started with their franchise guy riffing a bible quote. Still, it was clear that Vince's plan at the time was for the Attitude Era to begin on January 22, 1996. |
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Post by The Brain on Feb 10, 2017 15:45:16 GMT -5
Doesnt WWE themselves say that Austins 3:16 promo was the start of the Attitude Era as it ushered in a new type of star & mentality. Retroactively, yeah. It's probably more satisfying to say that it started with their franchise guy riffing a bible quote. Still, it was clear that Vince's plan at the time was for the Attitude Era to begin on January 22, 1996. This is how I looked at it...
That Raw in early 96 the seed was planted, KOTR 96 the bullets were loaded into the gun, and when Austin invaded Pillman's house the triggered was pulled (No pun intended)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 15:46:24 GMT -5
Retroactively, yeah. It's probably more satisfying to say that it started with their franchise guy riffing a bible quote. Still, it was clear that Vince's plan at the time was for the Attitude Era to begin on January 22, 1996. This is how I looked at it...
That Raw in early 96 the seed was planted, KOTR 96 the bullets were loaded into the gun, and when Austin invaded Pillman's house the triggered was pulled (No pun intended)
Give me a break... ...that's ridiculous... .... how can that pun have not been intended? |
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Post by The Brain on Feb 10, 2017 15:54:39 GMT -5
This is how I looked at it...
That Raw in early 96 the seed was planted, KOTR 96 the bullets were loaded into the gun, and when Austin invaded Pillman's house the triggered was pulled ( pun intended)
Give me a break... ...that's ridiculous... .... how can that pun have not been intended? Fixed. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 11, 2017 1:51:24 GMT -5
Its been stated many times that Vince McMahon came on Raw in early December of 97 and stated that the New Generation was dead for WWE and that an attitude was happening.
I think the Attitude Era officially arrived after Bret Hart left the WWE. Bret was the last remaining substance that was the "New Generation" since Bret was THE GUY for that era.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 11, 2017 7:20:13 GMT -5
The true Attitude era started the night after WM14. From that point the WWE started to feel different with more edgy storylines and the whole Austin vs McMahon saga.
What we saw from 1996/1997 wasn't the Attitude era, it was little testers by Vince who was trying to find a possible way to beat Nitro.
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Post by rob29 on Feb 11, 2017 13:03:47 GMT -5
In my opinion the attitude era started in 1997 - I feel it began when Bret Hart turned on America, only supported Canada, and teamed up with Bulldog, Pillman, Owen, Anvil - because after all, Bret said Americans had lost all respect for one another in WWE and developed an 'attitude'.
when did I feel the attitude era ended? simple, when WWE purchased WCW in March 2001 - they killed their competition, an 'attitude' was no longer needed.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 12, 2017 10:51:28 GMT -5
The seeds were planted in 1997, but Stone Cold ushered it in at Wrestlemania XIV
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 19:40:35 GMT -5
A lot of perfectly reasonable answers.
I think it's arguable that the Attitude Era didn't really start anywhere, at least not such that it can be traced back to any one single point or event.
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Post by k5 on Feb 13, 2017 10:16:01 GMT -5
for me it started with ecw coming onto ppv in january 1997, and therefore getting covered in the magazines far more than previously.
considering that the attitude era really found it's original material from ecw, i think that's a pretty fitting place for it to have started.
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Post by Team Madness on Feb 13, 2017 11:44:40 GMT -5
I'd want to say with Austin 3:16 at KOTR 96, BUTTTT then if you look at the following ppvs, they didn't have an attitude Era feel.
So my next answer would have to be Wrestle mania 13 when Austin was bleeding from the sharpshooter. After that night, everything changed
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