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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 23:04:01 GMT -5
I've always been a fan of the medical field, biology, etc., and recently I came across some of the saddest documentaries I think I've ever seen. They follow the emergence and spread of HIV/AIDS, and it serving as almost a holocaust toward the LGBT community in the '80s and '90s. So, so many innocent lives were lost in this plague. Finally, after much lobbying, rioting, and marching from AIDS activists, the government spent millions on research, passed drugs, and turned the terrible virus from a fatal death sentence to a chronic illness by 1996 thanks to the development of anti-retroviral medication.
One inspiring leader during this time was AIDS activist and playwright Larry Kramer, a leader who saw the AIDS crisis as something the Reagan Administration ignored because it only affected rejected sociological and racial groups - gays, blacks, drug users, etc. Through Larry Kramer (an openly gay Jew from the DC area born in 1935; any Jew born in that time frame tended to look at the world through the lens of the Holocaust), we're introduced to the idea that AIDS was literally a plague and a holocaust. He attacked things with the fierce energy of a Marxist revolutionary from the 1910s. Here is this very fascinating individual, in a clip from 1991:
I just wonder - I know many are young on this site, but has anyone witnessed HIV/AIDS up close, or lost a loved one to it? I have not, but my mom was my age as a nurse in the '80s and witnessed much of the suffering up close. I think it would be one of the most brutal things, to have seen a loved one succumb to this illness in the '80s or '90s. Kaposi's Sarcoma, the cancer that many developed after the destruction of their immune systems, is one of the most disfiguring things I've ever witnessed.
One of the great stories from this, however, is the resiliency of the LGBT community. In the span of 33 years that went from a people "being punished by God" for their "vile" actions, to seeing one of the most important buildings in human history (the White House) lit up in rainbow colors (2015) after the national passing of same-sex marriage. Absolutely incredible.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Feb 14, 2017 23:19:35 GMT -5
I have no personal first hand experience with the virus but I lived as a young child in the 80s and young adult in the 90's and it was a big story. Everybody was being educated about hiv/aids and it was part of the big push towards regular sex education class in public schools. The celebrity hiv/aids stories which drew my attention most were Magic Johnson, Easy-E and the dude from the first season of MTV's "the real world".
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Post by slappy on Feb 14, 2017 23:22:01 GMT -5
I've gone on a date with a guy who has HIV.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 23:41:05 GMT -5
Here's a sad early '80s clip of a "mysterious gay cancer" affecting homosexual men. It was also referred to as, in the early days, GRID (gay-related immuno-deficiency). In '81 and '82 the scientific community knew nothing about this. They didn't know why young gay men were coming down with mysterious and fatal cancers and pneumonias. They thought perhaps lack of sleep and drug use were destroying their immune systems, as opposed to an STD virus. www.nytimes.com/1981/07/03/us/rare-cancer-seen-in-41-homosexuals.htmlWithout doubt, this virus changed the world forever.
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Post by BCizzle on Feb 14, 2017 23:53:18 GMT -5
My mom had a gym instructor who was gay and died from AIDS. That's about the only person I remember our family knowing. I think it's pretty great that because of education and medicine, AIDS/HIV is not much of an epidemic at all when it was pretty terrifying when it first hit. I know it mostly affected the gay community, but some people got it through drug needles, and the saddest stories were people getting it from blood transfusions, even kids. We have plenty of other things to worry about these days, but I'm glad this is something we have dealt with. Even though sadly everyone in Uganda has AIDS, the Mormons experienced it first hand.
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Post by Darkhawk on Feb 15, 2017 1:44:53 GMT -5
Hopefully there will be a cure for it in the future. I've read reports and news about scientists coming really close to finding a cure, the only problem is HIV/AID finds a way to mutate.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Feb 15, 2017 10:15:17 GMT -5
I still have a hard time believing it all started with a green monkey a long time ago. The first time I heard about it is when Ricky Wilson from the B-52s passed away. They said it was a rare form of cancer at first. Interesting topic, and I hope this doesn't get locked. There was a child in a neighboring elementary school where I grew up who was HIV positive. It caused quite an uproar when it was discovered. But you have to remember, back then they didn't know how to deal with it. People protested & removed their children from the school. I'm sure the family had to deal with a bunch of harassment as well. I'm not sure what ever happened to the kid. I just hope people in schools are more lenient with dealing with a student who has the virus.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 15, 2017 10:20:00 GMT -5
Deep down I feel like HIV/AIDS is a gov't made concoction that got seriously out of hand. Once they realized the destruction that it was doing and how quickly & easily it was spreading they had to quickly come up with a cure. I think it spread too quick & easily before they could find a cure. I do believe they have found one though but the gov't still uses it to "thin the heard" and poach on the rich so they dont release it to the people. Lets be honest, the avg shelf life of someone with HIV/AIDS at best is usually around 10 years or so. Multi-millionaire Magic Johnson has had it for nearly 30 years and at times has said he's been cured of it. Seems fishy to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 14:57:34 GMT -5
I grew up in a very conservative religious family in the bible belt, where gays were considered to be perverts and abnormal. In elementary school in the 80's, we used to call each other gay slurs and accuse each other of having AIDS. Boy George is what I considered to be what gay people were like, and I never had first hand knowledge of anyone being gay until high school, nor have I ever known anyone personally who had HIV/AIDS. It was learning about the personal lives of celebrities like Freddie Mercury, Robert Reed and Michael Stipe that actually changed my outlook, so that "gay" was no longer a slur or a word that I associated with Boy George. Even then, I still bought into the religious narrative for the longest time that being gay was a choice and that it was wrong, even though I personally held no ill feelings for LGBT. Eventually, I just decided that other people's lives were none of my business and that trying to oppress them through legislation was wrong. Finally, I realized I was an atheist and that there was no rational basis for all these silly prejudices. I am 100% hetero, and frankly I still have a hard time watching two men kiss each other, but I have evolved greatly and will continue to do so.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 15, 2017 16:55:22 GMT -5
I often find myself thinking of Nancy Reagan in regards to this sort of thing.
When the sh t hit the fan, Nancy and Ronald's inaction directly contributed to thousands of American dying. It wasn't until people realized that, yes, of course, heteros were also just as much at risk that the White House stepped up.
Years later, while Ronald would spend his mornings talking to John Wayne over coffee (Alzheimer's) Nancy was trying to get President Bush to further the study in stem cell research. He declined over "churchy bull sh t" concerns... Nancy had to watch her husband waste away, just as so many parents, lovers, brothers, and sisters had to watch their loved ones do, due to the fact that the White House were a bunch of church bitches.
The fight AGAINST stem cell research has taken, and will continue to take more lives than HIV. But the reasons why we aren't researching Stem Cells is THE EXACT same reason we weren't keen on figuring the HIV thing out sooner - Church crap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 18:21:15 GMT -5
I often find myself thinking of Nancy Reagan in regards to this sort of thing. When the sh t hit the fan, Nancy and Ronald's inaction directly contributed to thousands of American dying. It wasn't until people realized that, yes, of course, heteros were also just as much at risk that the White House stepped up. Years later, while Ronald would spend his mornings talking to John Wayne over coffee (Alzheimer's) Nancy was trying to get President Bush to further the study in stem cell research. He declined over "churchy bull sh t" concerns... Nancy had to watch her husband waste away, just as so many parents, lovers, brothers, and sisters had to watch their loved ones do, due to the fact that the White House were a bunch of church bitches. The fight AGAINST stem cell research has taken, and will continue to take more lives than HIV. But the reasons why we aren't researching Stem Cells is THE EXACT same reason we weren't keen on figuring the HIV thing out sooner - Church crap. Such a perfect post.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 15, 2017 18:32:34 GMT -5
Thanks man, I appreciate it.
And to be clear, I don't have a problem with people believing in weird sh t. I have a problem with people using that church sh t to justify things that keep the human race from advancing.
If you wanna believe that some dude lived for 900 years, BULLY FOR YOU! But when you say I can't go shopping on a Sunday because of it, FU K YOU!
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Feb 15, 2017 21:42:51 GMT -5
I lost an uncle to aids. It was pretty rough to watch. I was pretty young, around 10. My parents informed me of everything though.
They found put he had h.i.v., within a year it was full blown aids. By year 2 he ended up with cancer. Died not long after that.
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Post by WreckerJack on Feb 18, 2017 1:19:23 GMT -5
Reading about the AIDS epidemic is one of the most unsettling things. Its one of those things that isn't really talked about the way a lot of other tragedies are. It almost feels as if it were swept under the rug. Literally millions of people died.
I recall an account of one of my older friends saying that each week there were names posted at gay clubs with the names of people that passed away and that she could tell some people had it because they were so skinny and sickly when she saw them walking around Capitol Hill in the 80's. (Capitol hill is Seattle's "gay neighborhood")
Also I feel it needs to be said that straight folks can get AIDS and other diseases too, so be careful and use condoms.
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Post by bad guy™ on Feb 18, 2017 14:33:41 GMT -5
Growing up, my dad had passed away before I was born so I did not have too much in the way of a "male role model" that every boy is supposed to have according to outsiders looking in. But yet I did. My godmother had become good friends with her tax attorney in the 80s, who is a gay man and has had AIDS as long as she's known him; and as a result she became friends with his long time companion who is HIV Positive. These two are my role models on how to live life through adversity. It was hard enough hearing them talk about the sh*t they got in their youth for being gay, let alone the sh*t they still get to this day for having AIDS/being HIV Positive. Being gay is a borderline non issue for MOST in the US and the western world anymore...it's not taboo even like it was when I was a kid growing up in the 90's. But having that AIDS stigma is still arguably as bad as the disease itself because you tell someone you have AIDS and they instantly pity you, make a ton of assumptions, and treat you as if you are less than human because of a disease you have. I learned so much from George and Jim on how to be a good person, how to deal with adversity, and how to live life to the fullest because in Jim's case; he never knows when AZT will stop doing its job effectively and what day could be his last. He once told me "I could just as easily walk out onto Forbes Avenue and die from a PAT bus losing its breaks and die as I could from AIDS. It's about living, a little bit of prayer even if you don't believe, and just making the best of an uncertain situation." Words I live by even today at 24, and he told me this when I was 6. As for the spread, causation, and cure? if I know. We know how it's spread. You can be straight as an arrow and go to a hospital for a shot and a nurse could royally up and use a used needle. You could use a pathogen clean up kit at work for someone who was bleeding and not realize some of the blood got into a cut on a finger because there was a tiny hole in the tip of your glove. Then there are the more known ways that I won't discuss because this is a kids forum all things considered. Where it came from, I'm inclined to believe science but I understand there are for sure more conspiracy theories than there is scientific evidence. Believe as you will. The same goes for a cure. I'd like to think in my lifetime that there will not only be cures but full blown immunizations that prevent AIDS, cancer, ALS, Ebola etcetera. Again, there are many conspiracy theories out there that those cures exist and they're just not being released. I'd like to have a little more faith in humanity than that. Unless you are a scientific researcher or the head of a cure finding organization, all we can do is sit back, protect ourselves the best we can and just hope for the best. Spread awareness as we always have. Push the governments of the world for more funding for developing cures...the whole ten yards. It sounds almost too easy to call up your Senator and tell them to vote yes for a funding bill but don't because you assume your voice won't be heard. You'd be surprised how many Senators and members of Congress actually listen to their constituents because we're ultimately the ones who give them their power no matter how much money they may make on the side from kickbacks. That money means nothing if you lose an election. Best way to win an election is to listen to your people and follow through on what they asked you to do. As someone who lives for the political sphere, you'd be surprised how well that works if enough people voice their opinions. One person alone may not make the difference, but to be the final voice of a massive group of people? It has a lot more power than you think.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Feb 25, 2017 9:08:05 GMT -5
Interferon being used during the GRIDs 'era' is intriguing to me. I never knew about that. My mother was on interferon injections for years due to r/r M.S. and they were not fun for her--I know that...
I've always found GRIDs to AIDs interesting...
Thank you for the original post. I've heard of the person in the clip, and his doings, but the clip was neat.
I enjoy stuff like this as well and learning about it. As an autodidact (grade 5...), I'm pretty much self-taught. If not for interests in random stuff like this, I would only know about 4tracks or guitars, and everything on erowid from being a teenager. I embrace(d) the 'net for stuff like this.
Good post. I knew someone who was HIV-positive. I've crossed paths with a few people. In-and-out of rehab as well as other dirty bits that come with drug use and rehabilitation centers and what goes on.... during, before, after, etc. (One note: I have kicked harder stuff--for now--but I'm a 15yr junkie now... I won't touch needles even with my brother diabetes needles just easy to pluck and am trying to get clean again...no HIV on my end, but a mutual friend of a lot of friends of mine passed from AIDs... I had been out of touch...he was a needle user.)
The people who were hiv-positive were pretty upbeat, but we were in facilities for addiction (to drugs) and afflictions (that were not discussed as prominently in these cheap rehab centers in group compared to drugs, but I can only imagine).
It's not fun to watch, but I have met a lot of brave HIV "Survivors"...
Sadly, I don't believe HIV/AIDs will ever be "cured"... for similar reasons I do not think cancer will ever be cured.
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Post by ET had AIDS on Feb 25, 2017 9:11:13 GMT -5
This is also the type of stuff I like to educate myself with in and during my own attempts at sobriety... I stopped touching needles and sharing anything at parties etc. and got pretty careful with safe(r) sex after a few times in and out of rehab.
I find science more fascinating than ever. As I prep to finally get a GED (don't even ask....nearly 30--no excuses, so I have no answer...) I realize that science is the field I need brush-up on the most and love watching anything related to science. This is a neat post...I enjoyed reading a lot of the replies.
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