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Post by King of Kings on Apr 5, 2017 5:31:31 GMT -5
I'm not trying to incite any heat with this question. I genuinely want to know why some figures seem to take AGES to release and others are pretty quick. Gallows and Anderson made their debut a year ago and their figures are still not out. It's been a year without even basics. This happened with Owens as well, where it took about 9 months for his first figure to be released after his debut. I would understand if there were deco issues or problems fitting guys into the lineups but, with The Club for instance they're really not needing much in deco for basics. For Elites that's another story. We've see a proto for Goldberg for instance, who made his return last fall. I hope we get that figure before this fall.
For MattelDesignTeam: Can you walk us through the process? How does it work and what determines how fast we get a figure? Would figures of The Hardyz and Angle take a year to release?
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Post by Mongo Bears on Apr 5, 2017 6:10:12 GMT -5
I think in many cases it comes down to just getting the figure right and once it looks good then it'll get its release. I'll bet they have so many figures in production but some will take ages because the headsculpt just doesn't look good enough and they have to keep trying. Some figures maybe look great on the first attempt so they get put in the line quickly. Some bigger names they might plan for a timely release like sting or hogan. Not necessarily trying to get the figure out quick, but more waiting to retain excitement for future releases.
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Post by plastictaxicab on Apr 5, 2017 6:51:04 GMT -5
Another step in the process, which can take quite a bit of time, is the approval process. Bill doesn't just get to design and send right to production. A lot of people need to see it before it gets the green light I would assume.
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Post by pauloso on Apr 5, 2017 7:23:39 GMT -5
It must be a slow process with production and ratification of new parts, the other issue is that with figures like Goldberg he will be out after his run is over.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 7:40:31 GMT -5
Of course it takes a long time. Once the person signs I don't suppose a figure is WWEs top priority. The person needs to arrange time for a scan, then Mattel need decide which attire will work and sell best. They then need to create digital images for approval. Tooling needs to be created for new parts, prototypes/testshots need to be created, approval needs to be sought from all sides. I imagine this can take months. 8-12 months I imagine I fair timescale to be with no hitches. Just to add to this, we know the lineups a few months in advance, so if we know then you guarantee Mattel knows even further into the future. If they had a figure ready now, without rearranging the lineups it'd be about 4 series down the line
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Post by King of Kings on Apr 5, 2017 7:43:31 GMT -5
It must be a slow process with production and ratification of new parts, the other issue is that with figures like Goldberg he will be out after his run is over. Right! which is what inspired my thinking about this process. Goldberg is done before his figure is even out. Then I realized The Club hasn't had figures yet either. On the other side though, Nakamura's figure came out 9 months after his debut, which isn't bad timing since he wasn't on the main roster yet. Of course it takes a long time. Once the person signs I don't suppose a figure is WWEs top priority. The person needs to arrange time for a scan, then Mattel need decide which attire will work and sell best. They then need to create digital images for approval. Tooling needs to be created for new parts, prototypes/testshots need to be created, approval needs to be sought from all sides. I imagine this can take months. 8-12 months I imagine I fair timescale to be with no hitches. To make a comparison with the former owner of the license: Jakks Ruthless Aggression Series 1 prototypes were shown in late 2002/early 2003. All of the figures in that set were brand new, never seen, and everyone had mostly debuted in the year prior. Rey Mysterio and Eric Bischoff were from the Summer actually so they hadn't had long at all to work on them. Brock Lesnar, Chavo Guerrero, Randy Orton, and John Cena were all new as well. We were spoiled with how fast figures were coming out, but the quality of figures wasn't really as great as what we have today. I'm curious what the major difference between the two brand's processes is, but mainly what happens to prevent figures from getting to the consumer quicker. Again, not to incite insults at Mattel because they do a great job
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 5, 2017 8:14:26 GMT -5
It must be a slow process with production and ratification of new parts, the other issue is that with figures like Goldberg he will be out after his run is over. Right! which is what inspired my thinking about this process. Goldberg is done before his figure is even out. Then I realized The Club hasn't had figures yet either. On the other side though, Nakamura's figure came out 9 months after his debut, which isn't bad timing since he wasn't on the main roster yet. Of course it takes a long time. Once the person signs I don't suppose a figure is WWEs top priority. The person needs to arrange time for a scan, then Mattel need decide which attire will work and sell best. They then need to create digital images for approval. Tooling needs to be created for new parts, prototypes/testshots need to be created, approval needs to be sought from all sides. I imagine this can take months. 8-12 months I imagine I fair timescale to be with no hitches. To make a comparison with the former owner of the license: Jakks Ruthless Aggression Series 1 prototypes were shown in late 2002/early 2003. All of the figures in that set were brand new, never seen, and everyone had mostly debuted in the year prior. Rey Mysterio and Eric Bischoff were from the Summer actually so they hadn't had long at all to work on them. Brock Lesnar, Chavo Guerrero, Randy Orton, and John Cena were all new as well. We were spoiled with how fast figures were coming out, but the quality of figures wasn't really as great as what we have today. I'm curious what the major difference between the two brand's processes is, but mainly what happens to prevent figures from getting to the consumer quicker. Again, not to incite insults at Mattel because they do a great job The difference is Jakks just slapped a scan on a steroid body with snow boots
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Post by CampCornette on Apr 5, 2017 8:34:36 GMT -5
Lol at snow boots
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Post by PJ on Apr 5, 2017 9:13:02 GMT -5
The snow boots actually worked when they finally made a DA Surfer Sting. Another step in the process, which can take quite a bit of time, is the approval process. Bill doesn't just get to design and send right to production. A lot of people need to see it before it gets the green light I would assume. This. If it is like what the sculptors the Four Horsemen said it was like sculpting their DC lines a lots of the time is spent on approvals. Sculpts/scans have to be approved by Mattel would then would send it to DC for approval who would either approve it or send it back to be tweeked. And they said that depending on how fast DC gave the final approval to go forward could be anywhere between the first attempt or after a few resubmissions before they would approve the figure's look. And getting the sculpts to meet the final approval was what usually took up most of the time. I imagine it is the with the WWE and the Legends (or their estates)
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Post by Cane Dewey Riley on Apr 5, 2017 9:39:51 GMT -5
I don't understand how some people are like "Shinsuke Nakamura doesn't deserve to be in the DM line! Save that for Legends ONLY! #JusticeForBradsWife" and then we get posts... like... this.
You can't have it both ways, people.
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Post by Decky on Apr 5, 2017 10:04:12 GMT -5
Depends how much Bill likes them
I KID, I KID!
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Apr 5, 2017 10:14:44 GMT -5
There's a lot more to it than what you would think. There's the approval process, design process(includes attire choice, new molds, new head sculpts, etc.), finding a spot in th line to fit the figure into, shipping them out from China, stores having to order them, and a lot more. I wish we could get figures faster too, but if we did, we'd probably end up with higher prices and more "rush job" figures like AJ and Goldberg.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:25:13 GMT -5
King of Kings you simply cannot compare Jakks to Mattel. Most of the Jakks figures had the same body
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Post by theaxehennig on Apr 5, 2017 10:43:18 GMT -5
I came here to say Jakks and Mattel have relatively the same amount of torso choices, until I sctually sat and counted...
I got to 20 Jakks RA style torsos and 45 Mattel Elite style and quit.
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Post by James St. James on Apr 5, 2017 11:29:53 GMT -5
I came here to say Jakks and Mattel have relatively the same amount of torso choices, until I sctually sat and counted... I got to 20 Jakks RA style torsos and 45 Mattel Elite style and quit. And as far as the woman are concerned if you add up all of the torsos from the BCA, TTL, RA and TNA DI lines (thats about 15 years worth of torsos) Mattel has made more than them all combined and they still get flamed for unpainted bra straps.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Apr 5, 2017 11:33:11 GMT -5
I came here to say Jakks and Mattel have relatively the same amount of torso choices, until I sctually sat and counted... I got to 20 Jakks RA style torsos and 45 Mattel Elite style and quit. There's no way Jakks had 20 RA torsos
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Apr 5, 2017 11:55:43 GMT -5
I get why it takes long to make a figure with unique parts. I just don't get why it takes so long to make a figure that has no new tooling or new headscan ex a modern ring gear Sting. It nearly took a year to give us one and even then I think it's a major disappointment, maybe it's because I have high expectations and Sting is my favorite. The boots are wrong, the torso is worse than the Wolfpac exclusive (which is much better fitting for a modern Sting), the scorpion logos wit way too low on the singlet, the same headscan was reused and the same wood grain bat. Mattel has also stated that if they get the approval of new superstar who's extremely popular they get to release it quicker due to demand.
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Post by Mox on Apr 5, 2017 12:03:16 GMT -5
Depends how much Bill likes them I KID, I KID!
LOL I know you're kidding. But you and I both know there's a smidgen of truth there.
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Post by screech on Apr 5, 2017 12:05:58 GMT -5
I wish they came out a little faster but it is what it is.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 5, 2017 12:21:13 GMT -5
Isn't Nakamura Bill's favorite wrestler and he took like 12-13 months I believe. He signed in January with WWE and that figure just came out a couple of months ago. I get the beef with Gallows and Anderson since they would have signed with Nakamura and AJ, who both already have figures. That might have had to do with when they were scanned though since they didn't debut until after Mania. Seems like Nakamura was like Finn Balor and his first figure wasn't actually a scan for the head. Not sure on that though.
I agree with the approval process sentiment. It seems like a case-by-case basis where approvals, both from Bill and WWE, could easily cause a delay. It's whatever. We have no control over any of that stuff. I'm sure Bill does everything he can to get figures out as quickly as possible. Especially when it benefits Mattel financially to get them out as quickly as possible to coincide with what is on TV at the time.
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