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Post by Manson's inverted cross on Apr 7, 2017 20:49:06 GMT -5
I can't call WM 33 the worst ever, since wrestling-wise it wasn't bad, and it had some good names on the card. But writing-wise, IMO, it may be the worst. Reigns retires Taker out of nowhere, completely pointless and with no basis or backbone to it. Lesnar defeats Goldberg in another garbage match between the two. The match sucked balls despite the fact I'm glad Lesnar won. Rollins beats HHH in a match where the whole "injured knee" thing could not have been handled more poorly. What a joke that was. Almost everything that went down was super predictable, I could have called it myself, but didn't because I didn't want to believe the WWE is that stupid and I wanted to follow my head, not my gut.
My question after this charade is whether or not Vince is just in the game still because we want him to be, and because we're asking for more and more?
There's just no inspiration behind it anymore. It gets worse all the time. It feels like everything we watch is just randomly thrown together just for the sake up it, to be random, and make it seem like "anything" can happen at any given time.
Now obviously, Vince loves the money too. So clearly he's in it for that as well. Nothing wrong with that. I'm one of the biggest Vince defenders, and if it weren't for him, it's doubtful WFigs forums would even exist.
But what's the point now? I am seriously bummed as a wrestling fan. I've been trying to put on a happy face as a wrestling fan, but just can't any longer.
And I really don't believe it will get better once Vince is gone, as much as I love Hunter.
We ask for more and more wrestling and they give it to us, but they're clearly not inspired anymore, and neither am I.
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Post by IRS on Apr 7, 2017 20:57:00 GMT -5
... We do? I mean, most people have been saying he's out of touch for years and want him gone.
Aside from that, I think Vince is still in it because it's all he knows and the company is his baby. He's going to work until he's physically or mentally unable to do so. If he weren't working, he'd probably lose his mind.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Apr 7, 2017 20:57:01 GMT -5
Nope, I thought Wrestlemania 33 was one of the best ones yet. Easily in the top ten.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 7, 2017 21:03:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed a good portion of WM33 and to be honest, have no idea what you're talking about. Seems like more bellyaching for the sake of bellyaching.
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Post by ellisd on Apr 7, 2017 21:26:07 GMT -5
I enjoyed WrestleMania 33.
Although it can be argued as predictable, if Triple H had beaten Rollins wouldn't people just be complaining about Triple H burying people, and having too big of an ego to put someone else over?
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Post by Manson's inverted cross on Apr 7, 2017 21:27:43 GMT -5
Hey if ya'll enjoyed it, I'm glad.
I guess I'm getting too old. In all honestly I have to admit I prefer NHL hockey and a million different TV Shows and movies to any form of pro-wrestling. I've been trying to tell myself it's not true, but to be frank, I'd sacrifice all of pro wrestling history to save just one of my favorite movies, if it came down to that.
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Post by QWERTY on Apr 7, 2017 21:38:20 GMT -5
I honestly thought WM33 was pretty good. Much better than 31 and 32.
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Post by BCizzle on Apr 7, 2017 21:46:51 GMT -5
His love for Roman is tainting the product. They should just get married and Vince can live out the rest of his life in a trailer park with the Big Dog.
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Post by James St. James on Apr 7, 2017 23:27:28 GMT -5
WWE survives on a combination of nostalgia from when it used to better, stealing other company's stars and ideas, repeating successful storylines an embarassing amount of times, reality television and a complete lack of self awareness. As long as Triple H and Stephanie keep up this formula it will still be successful. John Cena and Nikki Bella's transgender male to female daughter will be doing lingire photoshoots and wrestling comedy matches with a 75 year old Candice Michelle while a hologram of The Rock in his prime hosts Wrestlemania. You can quote me on that.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Apr 8, 2017 1:14:12 GMT -5
I mean would I have preferred Taker not retire?
Would I have liked the Cruiserweight Title to be on the main show?
Would I have liked both Women's matches to be better than they were?
Would I have liked The Usos to defend the Titles?
No, yes, yes and yes.
Just because I didn't get what I was after doesn't mean it was terrible. Reigns retiring Taker was mentioned since the match was announced, I hadn't seen RAW for ages at that point and I was aware of it. After nearly every big spot Seth did he sold the knee? Trip attacked the knee? Brock and Bill was fantastic for what they were presenting.
And you really called Mojo winning the Battle Royal?
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Post by Mark Martin on Apr 8, 2017 1:58:44 GMT -5
I enjoyed 33, WAY more than 32, but I'm ready for Vince to hand the keys to the mansion over to someone else. A shot in the arm is needed so so so bad to the WWE.
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Post by TurboEddie on Apr 8, 2017 3:41:50 GMT -5
Vince seems more interested in entertaining himself rather than the audience.
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Post by BSR on Apr 8, 2017 3:49:31 GMT -5
Vince can go wherever hes going when he retires, and take his doofus son in law with him.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Apr 8, 2017 4:52:33 GMT -5
People only claim that Vince is out of touch if they don't get what they want. The man is a living genius who made wrestling what it is today and I'm pretty sure that he knows exactly what he's doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 6:01:46 GMT -5
...trying to get into the 'meat-n-potatoes' of this thread topic.
The title poses an interesting question, but one would ascertain that Vince is 'in it' to the bitter end - he created the entire industry with which everyone else with a wrestling promotion would be seen as 'playing for second'. Perception is reality in that aspect.
The rest of what the OP has posited seems to be a subjective reflection on WM33 itself, ending ultimately on the feeling of inspiration falling flat in the 'Universe' WWE has created for itself. Therein lies the rub though - they created the culture of their brand of sports entertainment, have been seen as the industry leader for such a long time that anything that they do that seems to be a bit off is compared to times when it wasn't...
McMahon has said he doesn't want 'wrestling for the sake of wrestling', that his Dad was in 'the wrestling business, and that he himself was in the sports entertainment business' and his penchant for taking established stars from elswewhere and repackaging them so as to have his stamp of approval paints him as the savvy businessman we know him to be. I would believe that in his eyes, having a flagship program, a second-tier program, a developmental brand reinforced with 'indy praise' and a program aimed at fans of a certain style gives him the platform to think himself the Walt Disney of wrestling, by putting out as much content as possible for the masses to eat up.
In an age where the UFC draws better and has bankable stars who can branch out into legitimate Hollywood projects (and otherwise) who aren't always Dwayne Johnson or John Cena, the wrestling world feels smaller and smaller, especially as your average casual wrestling fan would be content with having the Network and watching the current product, complaining, enjoying and participating as they should - but to what end? None - because that culture of fans digesting the latest events, news, shows, dirtsheet rumours to ranking subjective things/people/events, etc is never going away.
Being 'bummed' as a wrestling fan ultimately falls to the individual, the product has the immensely unenviable task of catering to as many fans as possible - and as we know, you can't please everyone ten times out of ten...suggesting things like watching something else or investing in wrestling from other parts of the world is too hard as well because again - you can't please everyone and people expect wrestling from other promotions or countries to be somewhat similar to what they've seen in WWE, which is not the case.
WWE created the culture of what we're accustomed to as fans, whether we deign to admit we're part of the IWC, or the casual fans that remembers 'Oh, January is when that Royal Rumble thing is on, and it's March or April when WrestleMania is on, isn't it?'. It'll just continue from there, is my best guess.
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Post by k5 on Apr 8, 2017 14:38:32 GMT -5
it's the old 'the winner writes history' rule that applies here. he can't take his hand off the pen at this point though.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Apr 9, 2017 1:24:03 GMT -5
I don't think any fans are asking him to still be involved in the business considering how awful things have been for the past several years. He's still running the company because he's a stubborn old bastard who is only going to give up control of the company when he's pryed from his cold, dead fingers.
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Post by hbkowns on Apr 9, 2017 1:59:25 GMT -5
I think you're far as hell off calling Mania the worst booked or written ever. It had something for everyone. It might be the best Mania since WM30.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Apr 9, 2017 2:05:55 GMT -5
WWE survives on a combination of nostalgia from when it used to better, stealing other company's stars and ideas, repeating successful storylines an embarassing amount of times, reality television and a complete lack of self awareness. As long as Triple H and Stephanie keep up this formula it will still be successful. John Cena and Nikki Bella's transgender male to female daughter will be doing lingire photoshoots and wrestling comedy matches with a 75 year old Candice Michelle while a hologram of The Rock in his prime hosts Wrestlemania. You can quote me on that. WHY DID YOU TYPE THAT!?!? YOU JUST GAVE THEM THE FINAL PAYOFF OF JOHN CENA'S CAREER! |
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Apr 9, 2017 7:50:22 GMT -5
WM 33 was really solid and could've been one of the best if not for that underwhelming Dull-man vs Dead-man match. It felt like there was no build up towards that match, only two weeks of back and forth "This is my yard" jibberish. And Reigns sharing the ring with the Undertaker just didn't feel right, there was no chemistry between the two.
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