bootan
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Post by bootan on Jun 22, 2017 2:51:36 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
I know grading isn't for everyone, so I dont want to get in a debate in regards "to grade or not to grade".
I just want other collectors opinions on who is the tougher grader. I have all my carded LJNS graded by AFA, and just about all (75%) my carded Hasbros graded by UKG. The main reason for this is simply because there seems to be more Hasbros graded by UKG than AFA, and when it comes to LJNs I am yet to see one figure graded by UKG.
It seems to me, that AFA is the tougher grader. Just by looking at some hasbros I have and what some AFA graded hasbros look like that have popped up on a famous auction site today, I have come to this assumption. AFA seems harsh in some cases.
Is there any collectors out there that went with one company and then got it re-graded by the other??
I'm so anal with my figures and I just want to hear what others think.
Thanks in adcance, I really look forward to what you guys think
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kev85hasbro
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Post by kev85hasbro on Jun 22, 2017 5:56:57 GMT -5
This is 1 for summer slam.
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Post by Boon on Jun 22, 2017 11:11:15 GMT -5
Might depend on the actual grader person as well.
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billthomson1984
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Post by billthomson1984 on Jun 23, 2017 4:34:49 GMT -5
Wasn't UKG the company who put together hasbros of El Matador and Martel and called them Strike Force?
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jun 23, 2017 6:04:19 GMT -5
Wasn't UKG the company who put together hasbros of El Matador and Martel and called them Strike Force? Well, that wasn't their biggest mistake; at least they once were Strike Force... This one... unforgivable: Attachment Deleted- They NEVER were the Powers of Pain - Berzerka, how do you want to be a serious grading company when you can't even get the name right? It's Berzerker! |
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billthomson1984
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Post by billthomson1984 on Jun 23, 2017 6:19:50 GMT -5
Wasn't UKG the company who put together hasbros of El Matador and Martel and called them Strike Force? Well, that wasn't their biggest mistake; at least they once were Strike Force... This one... unforgivable: View Attachment- They NEVER were the Powers of Pain - Berzerka, how do you want to be a serious grading company when you can't even get the name right? It's Berzerker! Yeah I knew there was something else they did that boggled the mind lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 17:41:41 GMT -5
Just to clear up the strike force/powers of pain thing, they were requests from a toy dealer that used to sell graded items on the famous auction site.
Perhaps ukg should have refused to do them, I don't know, suppose it's a matter of opinion,
As for the spelling mistake, I'm aware of that happening to a friend of mine, he just sent it back and they rectified it.
I've never had anything graded by AFA, but I've heard that they might be slightly stricter, but I've nothing to base that on other than someone else's opinion.
I'm sure they must use a similar method for concluding their grades, so I imagine they'd be fairly similar.
Bootan, are to asking what company people recommend? If so, if say it all has to do with geography, I'm based in the UK, so makes sense for me to use UKG, I'd say if you're European use UKG. If you're North America then it makes sense to use AFA
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bootan
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Post by bootan on Jun 24, 2017 19:24:33 GMT -5
Just to clear up the strike force/powers of pain thing, they were requests from a toy dealer that used to sell graded items on the famous auction site. Perhaps ukg should have refused to do them, I don't know, suppose it's a matter of opinion, As for the spelling mistake, I'm aware of that happening to a friend of mine, he just sent it back and they rectified it. I've never had anything graded by AFA, but I've heard that they might be slightly stricter, but I've nothing to base that on other than someone else's opinion. I'm sure they must use a similar method for concluding their grades, so I imagine they'd be fairly similar. Bootan, are to asking what company people recommend? If so, if say it all has to do with geography, I'm based in the UK, so makes sense for me to use UKG, I'd say if you're European use UKG. If you're North America then it makes sense to use AFA Thanks for answering my question champ and offering your opinion. Ive heard the same thing too that AFA is stricter, but I have some UKG 90 graded figures and they look awesome. The thing is im based in Australia, so geography gets thrown out the window lol I think UKG maybe cheaper also? Also I should've been more clearer in my original post. I'm really only interested in the grading of carded figures. Everytime grading is mentioned on this forum, all I hear about are the "Loose" errors that have been made. I'm only interested in MOC grading. |
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jun 25, 2017 3:20:15 GMT -5
Just to clear up the strike force/powers of pain thing, they were requests from a toy dealer that used to sell graded items on the famous auction site. Perhaps ukg should have refused to do them, I don't know, suppose it's a matter of opinion, As for the spelling mistake, I'm aware of that happening to a friend of mine, he just sent it back and they rectified it. I've never had anything graded by AFA, but I've heard that they might be slightly stricter, but I've nothing to base that on other than someone else's opinion. I'm sure they must use a similar method for concluding their grades, so I imagine they'd be fairly similar. Bootan, are to asking what company people recommend? If so, if say it all has to do with geography, I'm based in the UK, so makes sense for me to use UKG, I'd say if you're European use UKG. If you're North America then it makes sense to use AFA If that's a toy dealer, he should quit: he's worthless! UKG should've never graded those, they made a fool of themself. Thanks for answering my question champ and offering your opinion. Ive heard the same thing too that AFA is stricter, but I have some UKG 90 graded figures and they look awesome. The thing is im based in Australia, so geography gets thrown out the window lol I think UKG maybe cheaper also? Also I should've been more clearer in my original post. I'm really only interested in the grading of carded figures. Everytime grading is mentioned on this forum, all I hear about are the "Loose" errors that have been made. I'm only interested in MOC grading. These loose "errors" are the best proof that they don't know what they're doing. They lost all credibility. You can't take them serious as a grader. |
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Post by billthomson1984 on Jun 25, 2017 4:19:18 GMT -5
Just to clear up the strike force/powers of pain thing, they were requests from a toy dealer that used to sell graded items on the famous auction site. Perhaps ukg should have refused to do them, I don't know, suppose it's a matter of opinion, As for the spelling mistake, I'm aware of that happening to a friend of mine, he just sent it back and they rectified it. I've never had anything graded by AFA, but I've heard that they might be slightly stricter, but I've nothing to base that on other than someone else's opinion. I'm sure they must use a similar method for concluding their grades, so I imagine they'd be fairly similar. Bootan, are to asking what company people recommend? If so, if say it all has to do with geography, I'm based in the UK, so makes sense for me to use UKG, I'd say if you're European use UKG. If you're North America then it makes sense to use AFA If that's a toy dealer, he should quit: he's worthless! UKG should've never graded those, they made a fool of themself. Thanks for answering my question champ and offering your opinion. Ive heard the same thing too that AFA is stricter, but I have some UKG 90 graded figures and they look awesome. The thing is im based in Australia, so geography gets thrown out the window lol I think UKG maybe cheaper also? Also I should've been more clearer in my original post. I'm really only interested in the grading of carded figures. Everytime grading is mentioned on this forum, all I hear about are the "Loose" errors that have been made. I'm only interested in MOC grading. These loose "errors" are the best proof that they don't know what they're doing. They lost all credibility. You can't take them serious as a grader. This 100% |
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Post by bootan on Jun 25, 2017 7:31:37 GMT -5
Just to clear up the strike force/powers of pain thing, they were requests from a toy dealer that used to sell graded items on the famous auction site. Perhaps ukg should have refused to do them, I don't know, suppose it's a matter of opinion, As for the spelling mistake, I'm aware of that happening to a friend of mine, he just sent it back and they rectified it. I've never had anything graded by AFA, but I've heard that they might be slightly stricter, but I've nothing to base that on other than someone else's opinion. I'm sure they must use a similar method for concluding their grades, so I imagine they'd be fairly similar. Bootan, are to asking what company people recommend? If so, if say it all has to do with geography, I'm based in the UK, so makes sense for me to use UKG, I'd say if you're European use UKG. If you're North America then it makes sense to use AFA If that's a toy dealer, he should quit: he's worthless! UKG should've never graded those, they made a fool of themself. Thanks for answering my question champ and offering your opinion. Ive heard the same thing too that AFA is stricter, but I have some UKG 90 graded figures and they look awesome. The thing is im based in Australia, so geography gets thrown out the window lol I think UKG maybe cheaper also? Also I should've been more clearer in my original post. I'm really only interested in the grading of carded figures. Everytime grading is mentioned on this forum, all I hear about are the "Loose" errors that have been made. I'm only interested in MOC grading. These loose "errors" are the best proof that they don't know what they're doing. They lost all credibility. You can't take them serious as a grader. OK. So you're an AFA guy. How many figures have you got that are graded by them? |
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jun 25, 2017 9:04:05 GMT -5
If that's a toy dealer, he should quit: he's worthless! UKG should've never graded those, they made a fool of themself. These loose "errors" are the best proof that they don't know what they're doing. They lost all credibility. You can't take them serious as a grader. OK. So you're an AFA guy. How many figures have you got that are graded by them? I never said I'm an AFA guy, heck I'm anti grading. However with the above pictures I'd say AFA is more trustworthy... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 15:11:19 GMT -5
There was a moon belly that sold within the last year, it was a re-seal.
If the item had been sent in for grading, I predict this would've been spotted as a fake. But instead we have someone who owns a moon belly that believes it to be real.
You may be anti grading, or you may be like me and bootan and many other collectors that are in favour of grading and can see what benefits it brings.
Grading may not be for everyone, clearly, but it certainly has its benefits.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jun 28, 2017 6:47:10 GMT -5
There was a moon belly that sold within the last year, it was a re-seal. If the item had been sent in for grading, I predict this would've been spotted as a fake. But instead we have someone who owns a moon belly that believes it to be real. You may be anti grading, or you may be like me and bootan and many other collectors that are in favour of grading and can see what benefits it brings. Grading may not be for everyone, clearly, but it certainly has its benefits. Or UKG could've graded a fake as the real deal... |
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jun 28, 2017 7:49:47 GMT -5
Which one was the company that graded the R&B Valentine?
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Post by hh2trotts on Jun 28, 2017 9:19:41 GMT -5
There was a moon belly that sold within the last year, it was a re-seal. If the item had been sent in for grading, I predict this would've been spotted as a fake. But instead we have someone who owns a moon belly that believes it to be real. You may be anti grading, or you may be like me and bootan and many other collectors that are in favour of grading and can see what benefits it brings. Grading may not be for everyone, clearly, but it certainly has its benefits. I agree that one would have been caught by AFA and UKG but that was an absolute red flag obvious fake. unfortunately most decent reseals squeak by AFA and UKG |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 12:21:53 GMT -5
Which one was the company that graded the R&B Valentine? That was AFA |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 12:23:32 GMT -5
UKG have graded at least five moon bellys I believe, think AFA have graded one
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jun 28, 2017 15:09:05 GMT -5
UKG have graded at least five moon bellys I believe, think AFA have graded one Then I'm leaning towards AFA to be the real one. There's only a low number of moon belly Kamalas. They were only in the US. Makes no sense that a UK grader graded 5 of them... |
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Post by perfectplex on Jun 28, 2017 15:50:39 GMT -5
Honestly I would leave grading strictly to MOC production pieces.
At least with them, there's a clear distinction as to what is being graded and what the standards are.
Loose figures and prototypes are too subjective and easily manipulated to gauged accurately.
There is definitely a use for it if it's done properly by a reputable source.
If you want pristine mint cards, buying a 9 or 10 accurately graded figure might be your best bet.
I can't really argue with the prices as the market usually dictates them.
If someone is willing to pay extra cash for something that they know is accurately graded, more power to them.
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