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Post by bababooey on Jun 29, 2017 12:16:19 GMT -5
It all depends on what his contract with Storm says. If they have exclusive rights to him in action figure form, then Mattel won't be able to. Like with Tazz, he can't sign a WWE Legends deal because of his contract with the company that distributes his radio show...I think it actually might be NBC? I'm pretty sure it's CBS. If it was NBC though some strings could probably be pulled considering how WWE programming has been all over NBC channels for decades and WWE has had a great relationship with NBC.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 29, 2017 14:40:22 GMT -5
I said it in another thread, but no way in Hell is Mattel touching what Storm did with their Hollywood Exclusive. Mattel's effort would have to be really amazing for me to even consider buying it at this point. The re-used torsos, plain nWo t shirt, and Hulkster weight belt isn't going to fly anymore. The people starved for a Hollywood have been satiated, so they now need incentive...especially if they are going with a DM. They are going to have to either go with Hogan from Wrestlemania X8 with removable bandanna, sunglasses, weight belt, boas, and nWo t shirt, 2002 style head (bushier mustache, shorter hair PLUS nWo title belt; 1998 Hogan with the Hogan t shirt (sunglasses skull with the gold tooth), more intricate tights, nWo war bonnet, sunglasses, weight belt, title; or skip right on to Hulk Still Rules (Undisputed title, Hulkamania 2002 red shirt, red and yellow boas, sunglasses, weight belt, knee brace, yellow Hulk Still Rules bandanna
That's not to say there isn't ungodly money to be made on Hogan figures, Hollywood included. Storm definitely stole a good amount of Mattel's thunder though. I'm not buying a DM Hollywood that looks similar but inferior
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Post by hCo.Bro™ [brandon_lee] on Jun 29, 2017 15:39:38 GMT -5
Is there something to the effect of Hollywood Hogan being different than Hulk Hogan as far as trademarks?
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Post by bababooey on Jun 29, 2017 16:07:01 GMT -5
Is there something to the effect of Hollywood Hogan being different than Hulk Hogan as far as trademarks? Yes. Hulk Hogan has a licensing deal with Marvel to use the name Hulk. So when he goes to like a WWE or WCW, they then have to work out a license between Hogan and Marvel to use the name. I remember hearing Bruce Prichard saying it was kind of annoying.
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Post by boz1515 on Jun 29, 2017 17:00:37 GMT -5
the dream is a new nwo hogan elite we can only hope he decides to let it get made I believe the majority would like to see Hogan return to WWE and allow the opportunity for figures to be released again. The problem is I (certainly like many of you) have seen the articles this week stating that Vince has (allegedly) reached out to Hulk about coming back, and how the "ball is in Hulk's court," alluding to Hulk being hesitant to sign. If this is true, it is likely for one of two reasons: 1) Due to Hulk's recent success in winning the lawsuit he doesn't need the money, or 2) he wasn't happy about the "Benoit scrubbing" treatment he received on the way out, and is reluctant because of that. Many people criticized WWE for the way they handled this almost 2 years ago. Perhaps that decision is now coming back to bite everyone who is waiting for the return of his merchandise/products. I don't know if either of these have any credibility, but here you go: popculture.com/wwe/2017/06/26/hulk-hogan-may-not-want-wwe-return/www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/hulk-hogan-reportedly-not-want-wwe-return#freehogan
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Post by bababooey on Jun 29, 2017 18:33:25 GMT -5
the dream is a new nwo hogan elite we can only hope he decides to let it get made I believe the majority would like to see Hogan return to WWE and allow the opportunity for figures to be released again. The problem is I (certainly like many of you) have seen the articles this week stating that Vince has (allegedly) reached out to Hulk about coming back, and how the "ball is in Hulk's court," alluding to Hulk being hesitant to sign. If this is true, it is likely for one of two reasons: 1) Due to Hulk's recent success in winning the lawsuit he doesn't need the money, or 2) he wasn't happy about the "Benoit scrubbing" treatment he received on the way out, and is reluctant because of that. Many people criticized WWE for the way they handled this almost 2 years ago. Perhaps that decision is now coming back to bite everyone who is waiting for the return of his merchandise/products. I don't know if either of these have any credibility, but here you go: popculture.com/wwe/2017/06/26/hulk-hogan-may-not-want-wwe-return/www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/hulk-hogan-reportedly-not-want-wwe-return#freehogan I had heard speculation that a possible reason Hogan is hesitant to come back is that he's let himself go a bit and doesn't want to be on WWE TV looking like he does currently. To me, I would believe that the most or maybe they just haven't reached a deal Hogan likes. I think the other two are unlikely. WWE has done worse to Hogan in the past than the scrubbing and Hogan has come right back. I'm pretty sure he even said that Vince kind of had his hands tied even though he didn't like it. As for the lawsuit money, I don't think that's got anything to do with him holding out. He's get a ton of money for doing minimal work. He got millions but he would absolutely be happy to do nothing and get merchandise checks and make a few brief appearances a year. If the money made him not care, he wouldn't be doing autograph signings at his restaurant.
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Post by poindizzle on Jun 29, 2017 22:12:25 GMT -5
This will seem weird, even though Storm Collectibles has crafted a wonderful looking figure, I still want a Mattel one because Storm doesn't match Mattel's paint, sculpting style, tooling, etc. There's more to the figures for me than simply height and general size matching. I can't mix and match that Storm figure in with my Mattels so I really hope that he returns and MDT fastracks him out.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jun 30, 2017 17:12:09 GMT -5
Just remembered that Storm was already starting to make Hogan figures while he was under contract with WWE. Article here from February 2015 shows early sculpt. Hogan wasn't released until July 2015. So whatever deal he has with Storm didn't conflict with his WWE deal or Mattel figures then so doubt they would now.
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 1, 2017 9:39:24 GMT -5
Hogan owns his likeness. If he comes back he will have Mattel figures and Storm will continue to make his figures/statues. Well Macho Man Randy Savage's name and likeness is licensed through a company called CMG Brands
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Post by jabird27 on Jul 1, 2017 9:55:09 GMT -5
You all may think I'm crazy but I am almost expecting Hogan to be announced as part of the Mattel family once again at this years sdcc. Similar to mick foley was last year.
And I also guaranteeing that if the above is true, a DM Hollywood Hogan will be out before you know it.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jul 1, 2017 10:15:42 GMT -5
Hogan owns his likeness. If he comes back he will have Mattel figures and Storm will continue to make his figures/statues. Well Macho Man Randy Savage's name and likeness is licensed through a company called CMG Brands That's because Macho died. André's likeness is owned by a similar company. I think they're companies that handle estates of famous people after they die, or the estate of a specific person was turned into a company
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Post by Captain McKay on Jul 2, 2017 15:31:27 GMT -5
They can and will.
Look at it this way - it's down to the rights of the trademark/copyright holder. Since WWE probably owns a good amount of Hogan's rights to likeness, etc, through a Legends contract (which I'm sure he'll be in good enough graces to get), then Mattel will do it that way. Hogan owns his own trademarks, and is free to make merch, including figures, with whomever he wants - so long as he doesn't infringe on WWE's trademarks or intellectual property. Hence why Storm's figure doesn't include nWo logos, the big gold belt, or anything which WWE owns the trademark to.
Plus, it comes down to scales. One company may hold exclusive rights to make 1/12 scale figures, vs. the other company's rights to make 1/10th scale. Think about Batman, and how Mattel can make 1/12 scale figures, while NECA makes 1/10th scale, and both are sold domestically.
Lastly, Mattel probably holds domestic rights. Storm, while sold through Ringside, is a Hong Kong based company. So the rights for making the figures may be different, and the only hangup would be distribution in the US - which Mattel would have no problems with.
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Post by boz1515 on Jul 3, 2017 13:15:45 GMT -5
I believe the majority would like to see Hogan return to WWE and allow the opportunity for figures to be released again. The problem is I (certainly like many of you) have seen the articles this week stating that Vince has (allegedly) reached out to Hulk about coming back, and how the "ball is in Hulk's court," alluding to Hulk being hesitant to sign. If this is true, it is likely for one of two reasons: 1) Due to Hulk's recent success in winning the lawsuit he doesn't need the money, or 2) he wasn't happy about the "Benoit scrubbing" treatment he received on the way out, and is reluctant because of that. Many people criticized WWE for the way they handled this almost 2 years ago. Perhaps that decision is now coming back to bite everyone who is waiting for the return of his merchandise/products. I don't know if either of these have any credibility, but here you go: popculture.com/wwe/2017/06/26/hulk-hogan-may-not-want-wwe-return/www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/hulk-hogan-reportedly-not-want-wwe-return#freehogan I had heard speculation that a possible reason Hogan is hesitant to come back is that he's let himself go a bit and doesn't want to be on WWE TV looking like he does currently. I heard that too. But why wouldn't they just sign him now and have him appear later when he is back in shape, like around Survivor Series or something? They could get a head start and sell merchandise (new T-shirts, etc.) and then hype a return to tv later down the road. (Mattel could also get a few things ready for Christmas lol).I think the other two are unlikely. WWE has done worse to Hogan in the past than the scrubbing and Hogan has come right back. Really? For the life of me I can't think of anything worse than this one. You'd have to remind me lol. I don't think the Billionaire Ted stuff is worse than this.
As for the lawsuit money, I don't think that's got anything to do with him holding out. He's get a ton of money for doing minimal work. He got millions but he would absolutely be happy to do nothing and get merchandise checks and make a few brief appearances a year. If the money made him not care, he wouldn't be doing autograph signings at his restaurant. I was thinking it might be a combination of the two. Perhaps he is thinking "I don't need the money from the legends deal since I won the lawsuit and have the autograph signings, plus they crapped on me anyway" point of view. I always thought he liked interacting with his fans on his own pace, and that is why he does the signings at the Beach Shop, etc.
You could be right, I don't know. I just remember thinking his initial Facebook posts right after the scrubbing incident alluded to his impression being that the punishment and "ruling" was a little harsh considering what others have done (and said) within the company, and what those consequences were.
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Post by bababooey on Jul 3, 2017 14:58:33 GMT -5
I had heard speculation that a possible reason Hogan is hesitant to come back is that he's let himself go a bit and doesn't want to be on WWE TV looking like he does currently. I heard that too. But why wouldn't they just sign him now and have him appear later when he is back in shape, like around Survivor Series or something? They could get a head start and sell merchandise (new T-shirts, etc.) and then hype a return to tv later down the road. (Mattel could also get a few things ready for Christmas lol).I think the other two are unlikely. WWE has done worse to Hogan in the past than the scrubbing and Hogan has come right back. Really? For the life of me I can't think of anything worse than this one. You'd have to remind me lol. I don't think the Billionaire Ted stuff is worse than this.
As for the lawsuit money, I don't think that's got anything to do with him holding out. He's get a ton of money for doing minimal work. He got millions but he would absolutely be happy to do nothing and get merchandise checks and make a few brief appearances a year. If the money made him not care, he wouldn't be doing autograph signings at his restaurant. I was thinking it might be a combination of the two. Perhaps he is thinking "I don't need the money from the legends deal since I won the lawsuit and have the autograph signings, plus they crapped on me anyway" point of view. I always thought he liked interacting with his fans on his own pace, and that is why he does the signings at the Beach Shop, etc.
You could be right, I don't know. I just remember thinking his initial Facebook posts right after the scrubbing incident alluded to his impression being that the punishment and "ruling" was a little harsh considering what others have done (and said) within the company, and what those consequences were.
I have no doubt Hogan thought the scrubbing was unfair and I believe he even told like TMZ in a half joking manner that he would punch Vince in the face if he ever saw him again. I think all along though Hogan knew WWE would do business with him again when everything blew over. They probably even had the discussion with him before doing what they did. He was likely working the reporters to keep his name in the news. He and Vince have always had a love hate thing for each other since the steroid trial. They always end up doing business together but never seem to fully trust each other. The whole New Generation era was basically a shot at Hogan's ego. That was Vince's way of basically saying "Hogan is old. You guys don't want him anymore." I was also at RAW in MSG the night Hogan was supposed to guest host but cancelled because he signed with TNA. That night Piper came out and took some shots at Hogan in a promo. He was saying stuff like he's the reason Hogan lost all his hair, etc.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jul 3, 2017 15:15:59 GMT -5
There's a lot of Hogan marks on here. Why don't one of you guys ask him about it at an autograph signing or something? Maybe he'll say why he hasn't come back yet or if they've even reached out to him at all. He's in the Network commercial for a couple seconds, so they're clearly at least testing the waters to see if there's any backlash to showing him for even just 3 seconds
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jul 3, 2017 16:00:37 GMT -5
There's a lot of Hogan marks on here. Why don't one of you guys ask him about it at an autograph signing or something? Maybe he'll say why he hasn't come back yet or if they've even reached out to him at all. He's in the Network commercial for a couple seconds, so they're clearly at least testing the waters to see if there's any backlash to showing him for even just 3 seconds I like how they've just now started testing the waters, when no one even cared 2 years ago. The E way over re-eacted initially, but I get it, they had to look like they were saving face. Meanwhile tbey continued to promote a bunch of other wrong doers. Face it, many wrestlers we want to see with persinalities have to be A-holes. They can't all be charming like the Rock.
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Post by boz1515 on Jul 3, 2017 17:48:47 GMT -5
There's a lot of Hogan marks on here. Why don't one of you guys ask him about it at an autograph signing or something? Maybe he'll say why he hasn't come back yet or if they've even reached out to him at all. He's in the Network commercial for a couple seconds, so they're clearly at least testing the waters to see if there's any backlash to showing him for even just 3 seconds Ok. If I see him at the grocery store I will be sure to ask him lol.
I (and perhaps some of the other commenting people here) are just reacting to the articles saying "the ball is in Hogan's court." Who knows how accurate that is. If someone in WWE really made that comment, I would have to assume it is from some type of backlash or feedback that they are receiving from fans somewhere.
I like how they've just now started testing the waters, when no one even cared 2 years ago. The E way over reacted initially... I cant disagree with the overreaction part. I remember a lot of people (like Scott Hall) saying he should have been sent to sensitivity training (along with his public apology) instead of being treating like he committed a double murder.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 3, 2017 21:37:07 GMT -5
The only way Hogan wont resign/reinstate his Legends deal is if there's something in his divorce papers that says Linda gets a certain % of merchandise. He's got plenty of money and it wouldnt surprise me to see him avoid having to give that gold digger any more of his money.
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Post by boz1515 on Jul 3, 2017 22:23:33 GMT -5
The only way Hogan wont resign/reinstate his Legends deal is if there's something in his divorce papers that says Linda gets a certain % of merchandise. He's got plenty of money and it wouldnt surprise me to see him avoid having to give that gold digger any more of his money. Are you saying she's a Gold digger?
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Post by chuck79 on Jul 3, 2017 22:32:07 GMT -5
I want the Hogan in workout attire to come out!!!
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