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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 20, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5
Well for those who watched Smackdown last night and last week, the stuff Jinder Mahal was saying about Nakamura clearly got the okay - if not was created by - Vince McMahon. Was it racist?? That's for everyone to make up their own opinion on.
However, is this an early sign that Vince doesn't see what the hype is in regards of Nakamura??
Yes, I know he has another WWE Title match, but he could just be pleasing Triple H and the fans for the time being. It just seems that two weeks in a row, Nakamura was verbally buried by Jinder Mahal in interview segments.
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Post by Mox on Sept 20, 2017 14:38:11 GMT -5
If he has, I wouldn't blame him. In my opinion, Nakamura's good will is running out. I think he needs to work with someone better than him. Because he can't carry these feuds. Instead, look who he's working with. Neither are strong enough to elevate this storyline.
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Post by J12 on Sept 20, 2017 14:38:12 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking.
But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much.
Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal.
I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 20, 2017 15:26:32 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. Nothing more really needs to be said. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 15:56:48 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. My two cents, Nakamura was underwhelming in NXT too. He kinda peaked against Zayn and has been downhill since. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 20, 2017 15:57:13 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. Right on point. I stopped caring much about Nakamura. He hasn't had that "Holy s*** what a performance" moment since his debut match with Sami Zayn IMO. Everything he's done since was "Oh, he has a cool af entrance, everyone's singing to his theme, AND its over once his entrance ends, eh good match, could have been better, moving on" |
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Post by J12 on Sept 20, 2017 16:05:01 GMT -5
My two cents, Nakamura was underwhelming in NXT too. He kinda peaked against Zayn and has been downhill since. Right on point. I stopped caring much about Nakamura. He hasn't had that "Holy s*** what a performance" moment since his debut match with Sami Zayn IMO. Everything he's done since was "Oh, he has a cool af entrance, everyone's singing to his theme, AND its over once his entrance ends, eh good match, could have been better, moving on" Agreed. Though, I do think NXT still did a better job overall presenting Nakamura as an ass-kicker rather than an eccentric, goofy foreigner. While Nakamura's in-ring work was good, but seemingly always a little disappointing in NXT, the character felt, to me, very representative of what I think of when I think of "King of Strong Style." That certainly hasn't been the case with him on the main roster. His main roster presentation has been much more conducive to a mid-card act, which usually aligns with how they push guys coming out of NXT. Strangely, though, Nakamura has been positioned as a main eventer despite not coming off like one. In NXT, the emphasis on Nakamura was "this guy will kick your head off", and in WWE it's "oh my god how cool is this guy's entrance?" It's very derivative. |
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Post by Supreme Cross on Sept 20, 2017 16:50:27 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. Right on point. I stopped caring much about Nakamura. He hasn't had that "Holy s*** what a performance" moment since his debut match with Sami Zayn IMO. Everything he's done since was "Oh, he has a cool af entrance, everyone's singing to his theme, AND its over once his entrance ends, eh good match, could have been better, moving on" i was going to say the same thing but you said it first. i just dont see what other people see in this guy. his entrance is cool and stuff but his matches are pretty bad. only one that i thought was awesome was with Sami Zayn, ever since then, they havent been good |
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Post by The American Daydream on Sept 20, 2017 17:00:24 GMT -5
I think Nakamura is overrated. Before anyone goes and freaks out on me theres no question that hes stellar in the ring but it takes more than that. Maybe he hasnt found the right feud or maybe his style just doesnt mix well with the rest of the roster/WWE but so far I haven't seen anything that makes me think hes as great as everyone made him out to be.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Sept 20, 2017 17:01:47 GMT -5
He needs a manager who can do the talking for him.
Lesnar can't talk for himself and it's his own bleeding language.
Giving Nakamura his own equivalent to Heyman would fix it.
Hell, I would genuinely take Corey Graves as his manager and move McGuinness into Graves' current commentary job.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Sept 20, 2017 17:40:28 GMT -5
I've never seen Nakamura as anything more than an entrance. He hasn't had one amazing match, he can't speak English, and his 'charisma' and 'artistry' just come across as jackassery to me. It's nothing personal at all. All of his weird facial expressions and gesticulations just look stupid to me, so for me personally I see nothing redeeming. I see more in Hideo at this point, and that's taking into account how he has been injured for the better part of the last 3 years.
I don't think he can be fixed at this point. I mean, Asuka can't speak English either but at least she impresses in the ring - more than I can say for Nakamura. To be fair, he isn't exactly with the right guy. Jinder bent over backward to be funny last night and fell flatter than a plate of piss (thank you Cornette). Worse yet, Jinder is a snore in the ring as well. They shot themselves in the foot by taking the briefcase from Corbin here, because that would've at least added a small amount of intrigue to a match that I literally have zero interest in seeing.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 20, 2017 17:47:57 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. QFT Bottom line is WWE has ALWAYS had trouble getting Asian wrestlers over with the American crowd unless they were to stereotype them. No, I dont buy into the idea of xenophobia. But I do buy into language barriers and even someone like Nakamura isnt always the easiest to understand. In addition, Nakamura neither has a mainstream look and is very eccentric. |
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Sept 20, 2017 18:11:36 GMT -5
TV matches are typically garbage now anyway. Just because he isn't setting the world on fire in every match on tv doesn't necessarily mean he's underperforming.
His worst match in WWE I've seen was against Jinder. That's because Jinder sucks.
Put the belt of Nakamura and let him feud with KO, Styles and guys that can actually have good matches and then let's have this discussion.
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Post by blissfan4life on Sept 20, 2017 19:09:04 GMT -5
Can't blame Nakamura when he's stuck with crap opponents like Jinder and Dolph. Give him people like Styles, Cena, Owens, etc and he does way better. Not ShinSuke's fault he can't carry Jinder " I swear I'm not on roids " Mahal.
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Post by iamkrang on Sept 20, 2017 20:07:42 GMT -5
I tend to disagree. He just beat Cena and Orton clean in a month's span while being #1 contender.
I think he will win the championship at HITC or Survivor Series and retain it until a Wrestlemania loss.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Sept 20, 2017 21:24:09 GMT -5
I think after that nonsense, he NEEDS to win now. Hopefully they learned their lesson from Triple H vs. Booker T in 2003. And that could've been argued as misconstrued.
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Post by alanpartridge on Sept 21, 2017 4:26:16 GMT -5
I don't like this feud. Hopefully Nakamura wins the belt and sends Jinder back to jobbersville.
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Post by Bandalero on Sept 21, 2017 9:33:06 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. I agree with all that you've said here. I also know that I'll never convince you that Jinder is doing his job as best he can. Jinder Mahal is in the same ballpark as Lex Luger - the look, the body - it all seems perfect. But just like people dog on Lex, he was able to hang with Sting and Ric Flair back in the day, and I don't see anything so terrible in Jinder's ring performance that he can't hang with uninspired Orton or Shinsuke. And frankly I think AJ could bring out the best in him. AJ can make a broom look good. Can't blame Nakamura when he's stuck with crap opponents like Jinder and Dolph. Give him people like Styles, Cena, Owens, etc and he does way better. Not ShinSuke's fault he can't carry Jinder " I swear I'm not on roids " Mahal. Here's the problem I have with your opinion (as usual). If Shinsuke is this phenomenal global international star as he's marketed to be, he should be able to pull off any match with anyone. AJ Styles is a great example of someone who can do that. |
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Post by J12 on Sept 21, 2017 9:40:26 GMT -5
I mean, the entire WWE Title picture is an afterthought. At best, it's the third "biggest" match on the Hell in a Cell card, primarily because Jinder Mahal is not a credible champion, people aren't buying into him as a main event player, and his segments are tanking. But Nakamura isn't without fault, either. He's been grossly underwhelming since arriving on the main roster, and no one should be blaming Vince McMahon if he's looking at him right now saying, "what's the big deal about this guy?" There's little doubt that Triple H's influence is helping keep Nakamura as a title contender, but when Jinder Mahal is holding the World Title, being a title contender really doesn't mean all that much. Like usual with Vince McMahon, there's a little bit of self-fulfilling prophecy going on. Vince likely doubted Nakamura's ability coming in, and so he put him in less-than-desirable conditions, which led to Nakamura underwhelming, which leads to Vince thinking he was right all along. Granted, Nakamura got some big-time matches with both Cena and Orton, but both were the cookie-cutter 10 minute TV main event affairs, so it's hard to blame anybody for not knocking it out of the park in those scenarios. Shinsuke should be better, but even AJ Styles couldn't pull a good match out of Jinder Mahal. I think the segments the last two weeks were less about "burying" Nakamura than they were trying to find a pulse on Jinder (there isn't one, by the way.) Either way, you can't put those two in the ring together to have a traditional back-and-forth on the microphone. Nakamura's English is too broken to pull off the traditional WWE, main event style promo, and Jinder isn't even in the ballpark of being able to carry him to a decent back and forth. Jinder can't even be compelling by himself. I agree with all that you've said here. I also know that I'll never convince you that Jinder is doing his job as best he can. Jinder Mahal is in the same ballpark as Lex Luger - the look, the body - it all seems perfect. But just like people dog on Lex, he was able to hang with Sting and Ric Flair back in the day, and I don't see anything so terrible in Jinder's ring performance that he can't hang with uninspired Orton or Shinsuke. And frankly I think AJ could bring out the best in him. AJ can make a broom look good. My qualms aren't with Jinder, they're with WWE for putting him in that position. Jinder probably is doing the best he can, it's just not good enough. "Passable" main events (and honestly, I think that's being generous) aren't good enough in 2017 WWE. Jinder would have worked when the company's average workrate was lower, but it's a different era and Jinder just doesn't belong. I certainly don't expect Mahal to say "ehhh, maybe I'm not quite right for this role." He's been put in a tough spot and he's trying. It comes down to WWE deciding whether or not some positive press in India (an unproven market) is worth losing viewership, attendance, and receiving a smattering of negative press in their country of primary operation. This week's Smackdown segment may have been a turning point, because now mainstream media outlets are covering Jinder's promo and it's not a good look for WWE. |
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Post by LA Times on Sept 21, 2017 10:59:01 GMT -5
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