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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 9:55:18 GMT -5
just 4 sets a year! 4 figs per set!
1 every season (can even kinda rig outfits they wore back then to go with the big 4 ppv's every year they may have wrestled on). you cut them out of regular elite line, scrap the TNF line (they already have current figs and the new flashback line would be the then/forever). then only 2 HOF sets a year! no 4 packs! only 2 or 3 packs if they are REALLY special (Hogan/Mr.T 2 pack (mr.T being exclusive to the 2-pack) or Hogan/Hall/Nash 3 pack). maybe some exclusives still.
no reason this couldnt work. here's an example using the figs just made or about to be made:
Flashback series 1:
savage usa liz (her and savage would sell best in the same line) d-lo rock
Flashback series 2:
batista shamrock virgil austin
Flashback series 3:
undertaker andre issac yankem wcw goldberg
Flashback series 4:
jeff hardy matt hardy scotty too hotty beefcake
Flashback series 5:
kurt angle wcw chris jericho mean gene okerlund 1997 kane
and so on. you keep em mixed with attitude era, maybe some current guys debut outfits (for sales), and then sprinkle in our virgils/berzerkers/vlaentines/grahams/hercules type figs.
and you pack cases accordingly. more takers/rocks/goldbers than berzerker or virgil!
THEN, this is BIG: make sure stores only get 2, maybe 3 cases of each and thats it!
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 9:58:03 GMT -5
i feel 4 figs a set is perfect. not too many choices clogging shelves. underpack the osbscure guys so they sell well too. and fans of legens/FB's get a line of figs to collect, not just a fig here and there. and get too look foward to a new line every 3 months.
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Post by King of Kings on Oct 9, 2017 10:25:29 GMT -5
Four figures every quarter would be neat, as long as they still throw flashbacks into the main Elite line. They'd have to still do the Network Spotlights/HOF as well. I'd also like to see them put a full budget into the line, as in don't skimp on accessories. In my first line up, I've got some figures with minimal deco and some with a lot more, and there's a nice balance. I'm also assuming that Hogan is allowed to be made in my lineup, though as of now there's nothing pointing to that
Here would be my idea for a lineup if they did it based on the big four PPV's
Quarter 1 (Royal Rumble) Stone Cold Steve Austin (Rumble 2001, we have a lack of Austin elites) (less deco) Chris Jericho (Rumble 2002, Red rights and red ponytail with Undisputed Title) (more deco) Batista (Rumble 2005, Red trunks) (less deco) JBL (Rumble 2008) (less deco)
Quarter 2 (Wrestlemania) Mick Foley (2000) (mid deco) Hollywood Hogan (X8, include an nWo shirt) (mid deco) Bret Hart (13) (mid deco) Brock Lesnar (XIX, include undisputed title) (low deco)
Quarter 3 (Summerslam) Matt Hardy (2000, include a ladder) (mid deco) The Undertaker (1994, grey gloves) (low deco) Zeus (1989) (low deco) Edge (2006) (high deco, wwe title and jacket)
Quarter 4 (Survivor Series) Kane (1997) (high deco) Trish Stratus (2001, Women's Title) (low deco) Macho Man (1992) (high deco) Shane McMahon (2003, low deco)
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Oct 9, 2017 10:26:55 GMT -5
I think It may sell if they do it like the 2 figure Elite sets. Make them for the 4 major PPVs and release 3-4 figures per set. If they do guys who are on TV it may help things. Hardy Boys, Angle, WCW Jericho,Goldberg and other on air talent then sprinkle some other flashbacks in It may help move more figures.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 13:14:00 GMT -5
Four figures every quarter would be neat, as long as they still throw flashbacks into the main Elite line. They'd have to still do the Network Spotlights/HOF as well. I'd also like to see them put a full budget into the line, as in don't skimp on accessories. In my first line up, I've got some figures with minimal deco and some with a lot more, and there's a nice balance. I'm also assuming that Hogan is allowed to be made in my lineup, though as of now there's nothing pointing to that Here would be my idea for a lineup if they did it based on the big four PPV's Quarter 1 (Royal Rumble) Stone Cold Steve Austin (Rumble 2001, we have a lack of Austin elites) (less deco) Chris Jericho (Rumble 2002, Red rights and red ponytail with Undisputed Title) (more deco) Batista (Rumble 2005, Red trunks) (less deco) JBL (Rumble 2008) (less deco) Quarter 2 (Wrestlemania) Mick Foley (2000) (mid deco) Hollywood Hogan (X8, include an nWo shirt) (mid deco) Bret Hart (13) (mid deco) Brock Lesnar (XIX, include undisputed title) (low deco) Quarter 3 (Summerslam) Matt Hardy (2000, include a ladder) (mid deco) The Undertaker (1994, grey gloves) (low deco) Zeus (1989) (low deco) Edge (2006) (high deco, wwe title and jacket) Quarter 4 (Survivor Series) Kane (1997) (high deco) Trish Stratus (2001, Women's Title) (low deco) Macho Man (1992) (high deco) Shane McMahon (2003, low deco) good sets to get line going. later put more 80's guys in there, but this'd be a good start.
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Post by #HANDSOME1 on Oct 9, 2017 13:43:53 GMT -5
I'd buy...
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Oct 9, 2017 14:08:56 GMT -5
I would like a flashback only line
I wasn’t collecting when the Legends line came out so I can’t comment on that but from what I gather, it flopped mainly because of Jakks just finishing and then picking obscure attires
I really think any kind of flashback line with limited figs being released would work and your example is a great example of how something like this could be run
Good thinking I like it
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Post by qdogg on Oct 9, 2017 14:09:33 GMT -5
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 15:26:58 GMT -5
lol qdogg
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Post by PJ on Oct 9, 2017 15:56:41 GMT -5
First off I would love a Legends line again, but the fact is it failed twice. Once at retail and once on Mattel's site. For reasons I posted in the other thead where you mentioned this concept. So I won't go through those reasons again here.
But I will say Mattel has zero say in the distribution. All they do is send the product to the retailers main distribution center who sends it to all their distribution centers across the country. Then it is up to the areas distribution center (and the retailers) to send it to the stores in the district they service. But not all stores will receive it because corporate might not allow it in certain stores. There are two WalMarts around me (the two closest) that didn't carry any of Mattel's DC lines (DCSH, DCUC, the Batman) including the WalMart Exclusive waves. I had to drive an hour north or down into NJ for Walmarts that carried them. The dept manager for both local stores would try and order them when I came in with UPC's for it and their system would decline the order. And up until two years ago they didn't carry Elites except during the holiday season. So there would be no way for Mattel to control what the stores received. And the retailer's buyers control the amount of product that Mattel ships them based on what they order.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 20:10:33 GMT -5
First off I would love a Legends line again, but the fact is it failed twice. Once at retail and once on Mattel's site. For reasons I posted in the other thead where you mentioned this concept. So I won't go through those reasons again here. But I will say Mattel has zero say in the distribution. All they do is send the product to the retailers main distribution center who sends it to all their distribution centers across the country. Then it is up to the areas distribution center (and the retailers) to send it to the stores in the district they service. But not all stores will receive it because corporate might not allow it in certain stores. There are two WalMarts around me (the two closest) that didn't carry any of Mattel's DC lines (DCSH, DCUC, the Batman) including the WalMart Exclusive waves. I had to drive an hour north or down into NJ for Walmarts that carried them. The dept manager for both local stores would try and order them when I came in with UPC's for it and their system would decline the order. And up until two years ago they didn't carry Elites except during the holiday season. So there would be no way for Mattel to control what the stores received. And the retailer's buyers control the amount of product that Mattel ships them based on what they order. there was no market for 1st legends line and we were smack dab in the 2nd depression. everyone i know was out of work (all my construction trade buddies, many who woulda collected but couldnt even pay rent at the time). different times sincs FB's have been around. and Matty.com shouldnt even be considered a try. that was horrible. over $30 a fig with shipping. anyone can see that choice was bad and should not steer them from trying again.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 20:15:18 GMT -5
maybe part of the rerason FB/legends havent been selling is the lack of clarity and a regular line to follow. so many different lines and never when a FB is coming all the sudden there is one or two out. chasing different store exclusives around and what not. they've made it so weird and random and kinda ridiculous. no fun collecting like this. and im sure many others get confused and just dont even bother too. man, try one more time (3rd time is the charm). 4 figs a set. 4 sets a year!
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Post by PJ on Oct 9, 2017 20:51:19 GMT -5
First off I would love a Legends line again, but the fact is it failed twice. Once at retail and once on Mattel's site. For reasons I posted in the other thead where you mentioned this concept. So I won't go through those reasons again here. But I will say Mattel has zero say in the distribution. All they do is send the product to the retailers main distribution center who sends it to all their distribution centers across the country. Then it is up to the areas distribution center (and the retailers) to send it to the stores in the district they service. But not all stores will receive it because corporate might not allow it in certain stores. There are two WalMarts around me (the two closest) that didn't carry any of Mattel's DC lines (DCSH, DCUC, the Batman) including the WalMart Exclusive waves. I had to drive an hour north or down into NJ for Walmarts that carried them. The dept manager for both local stores would try and order them when I came in with UPC's for it and their system would decline the order. And up until two years ago they didn't carry Elites except during the holiday season. So there would be no way for Mattel to control what the stores received. And the retailer's buyers control the amount of product that Mattel ships them based on what they order. t there was no market for 1st legends line and we were smack dab in the 2nd depression. everyone i know was out of work (all my construction trade buddies, many who woulda collected but couldnt even pay rent at the time). different times sincs FB's have been around. and Matty.com shouldnt even be considered a try. that was horrible. over $30 a fig with shipping. anyone can see that choice was bad and should not steer them from trying again. Sure there was a market for the first Legends line...just like there was a market for basics, Elites and BP's all of which are still here. Legends failed at mass retail because of the amount of product stores ordered as well as the fact that when Series 1&2 were released they also released the KMart HoF line which was 6 of the 12 figures from series 1&2 with a cardboard plaque. So that failed because there was no reason to purchase all 18 figures because 12 of them were all doubles. So if you purchased series 1 & 2 there was no reason to buy the KMart HOF. And vise versa. The HOF should have at least be repaints and not straight rereleases. And Matty failed not because of the price, but because 75%-85% of their targeted market didn't know about them because they didn't advertise that site or the figures. Nobody will buy the product if they don't know about it or where to purchase it. The best we are going to get is how it is now with 1-3 FB in a set and exclusives like RSC, WrestleMania, HOF & TNF. Retailers aren't going to take a chance on another line of elites competing for sales with the regular elites and basics because they see it as a failure now. And the WWE is going to want their current product to be predominant on the shelves. That is just the way it is now no matter much we may want a Legends line back.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 9, 2017 21:09:56 GMT -5
legends line was too close to jakks stopping. even i was like, dam dont the cash to start a new collection.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 21:15:13 GMT -5
just 4 sets a year! 4 figs per set! 1 every season (can even kinda rig outfits they wore back then to go with the big 4 ppv's every year they may have wrestled on). you cut them out of regular elite line, scrap the TNF line (they already have current figs and the new flashback line would be the then/forever). then only 2 HOF sets a year! no 4 packs! only 2 or 3 packs if they are REALLY special (Hogan/Mr.T 2 pack (mr.T being exclusive to the 2-pack) or Hogan/Hall/Nash 3 pack). maybe some exclusives still. no reason this couldnt work. here's an example using the figs just made or about to be made: Flashback series 1: savage usa liz (her and savage would sell best in the same line) d-lo rock Flashback series 2: batista shamrock virgil austin Flashback series 3: undertaker andre issac yankem wcw goldberg Flashback series 4: jeff hardy matt hardy scotty too hotty beefcake Flashback series 5: kurt angle wcw chris jericho mean gene okerlund 1997 kane and so on. you keep em mixed with attitude era, maybe some current guys debut outfits (for sales), and then sprinkle in our virgils/berzerkers/vlaentines/grahams/hercules type figs. and you pack cases accordingly. more takers/rocks/goldbers than berzerker or virgil! THEN, this is BIG: make sure stores only get 2, maybe 3 cases of each and thats it! So defining moments but a lot more?
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Post by Evil Abed on Oct 9, 2017 21:55:28 GMT -5
THEN, this is BIG: make sure stores only get 2, maybe 3 cases of each and thats it! You had me up until this line, then I'm pretty sure all of the scalpers out there collectively wet themselves in excitement. Sure shelf clogging is an issue but scalping store exclusives is just as bad. TNF3 has been out for a few months now but I've yet to see a single one in the set at any Walmarts, yet somehow the bay is clogged with overpriced items. Best case scenario I feel is to just start including flashbacks in the regular line again, its the only way to ensure likely probability of finding a series.
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Post by dixol on Oct 9, 2017 21:55:45 GMT -5
A dedicated legends line is dead. There's not enough demand. The past ones failed because kids don't want toys of characters they don't know, and there's not enough adult collectors nowadays to carry the line.
I'm sure Mattel has a lot more marketing, management, and accounting people to know what would be economically feasible for them than there are on these boards. And that's the main reason there isn't a dedicated old timers line.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Oct 10, 2017 2:24:43 GMT -5
A dedicated legends line is dead. There's not enough demand. The past ones failed because kids don't want toys of characters they don't know, and there's not enough adult collectors nowadays to carry the line. I'm sure Mattel has a lot more marketing, management, and accounting people to know what would be economically feasible for them than there are on these boards. And that's the main reason there isn't a dedicated old timers line. You nailed it. Jakks succeeded because it was during the RA era, and close enough to the earlier eras, before they felt to old. Now their kids are old and don't really care about old wrestling. Old to them is Cena, Batista, Orton. We liked it because we got it once or twice a week, and wanted more. So we bought the old tapes, because we were thirsty for wrestling. I think kids now think wrestling is fun, but not must watch. My son and his friends (they are 12) liked wrestling for a couple years. But about 3 years ago, they all got into Marvel figures.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 10, 2017 8:56:37 GMT -5
THEN, this is BIG: make sure stores only get 2, maybe 3 cases of each and thats it! You had me up until this line, then I'm pretty sure all of the scalpers out there collectively wet themselves in excitement. Sure shelf clogging is an issue but scalping store exclusives is just as bad. TNF3 has been out for a few months now but I've yet to see a single one in the set at any Walmarts, yet somehow the bay is clogged with overpriced items. Best case scenario I feel is to just start including flashbacks in the regular line again, its the only way to ensure likely probability of finding a series. thats with everything. its one or the other. too many distributed leaves shelves clogging. less releases you gotta do the hunt, just like we did foir Kane & Nash back in the day. its always competition with scalpers. but thats with dvd's, concert tickets, etc. should we just not make/have anything because of them? we dont the natural disasters TNF scenrios again. so limit the cases available. like PJ said, if they can block an order to certain area's, they can control/block more than 3 cases going to one store.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Oct 10, 2017 8:57:58 GMT -5
A dedicated legends line is dead. There's not enough demand. The past ones failed because kids don't want toys of characters they don't know, and there's not enough adult collectors nowadays to carry the line. I'm sure Mattel has a lot more marketing, management, and accounting people to know what would be economically feasible for them than there are on these boards. And that's the main reason there isn't a dedicated old timers line. You nailed it. Jakks succeeded because it was during the RA era, and close enough to the earlier eras, before they felt to old. Now their kids are old and don't really care about old wrestling. Old to them is Cena, Batista, Orton. We liked it because we got it once or twice a week, and wanted more. So we bought the old tapes, because we were thirsty for wrestling. I think kids now think wrestling is fun, but not must watch. My son and his friends (they are 12) liked wrestling for a couple years. But about 3 years ago, they all got into Marvel figures. but we also have the network now that wasnt around then. MANY more get to see the old school stuff and usually are beging for more.
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