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Post by bababooey on Nov 3, 2017 15:04:27 GMT -5
Not really. Enzo is a guy that has been signed with the company for 5 years, and while he has the reputation he's gotten lately, has show value as a character. Lio has been there for less than half a year, and at the moment, when it comes to those in charge, hasn't shown value to the company. Wrong or right, the mentality of a guy getting crap for acting like he's 'part of the locker room' when he's yet to have proven he belongs, is something that's been in WWE for a long time, and that seems to be the greatest 'sin' that he's committed with this whole mess. And I'm sure when he pulled that no sell in his last match in CZW, he probably annoyed some people with that. Enzo gets a pass at being disrespectful because he's been with the company for five years and has some sort of value? It shouldn't matter the length you've been with a company or your value, being disrespectful is being disrespectful. Lio shouldn't get a pass at being disrespectful because he hasn't been with the company that long and it was towards someone the community likes? Fair and balanced. I don’t think Enzo got a pass at all. He caught a lot of crap for the way he carried himself. They basically had Miz publicly destroy him in a promo, among other things. He got the title and a top spot in the Cruiserweight division because of the money he brings in. All the Cruiserweights are probably thankful for that because they have a better shot at keeping their jobs and they’re now getting more exposure. Lio hasn’t proven he can pull off any of that. Cruiserweight division is basically his ceiling if he even makes it that far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 15:28:01 GMT -5
Enzo gets a pass at being disrespectful because he's been with the company for five years and has some sort of value? It shouldn't matter the length you've been with a company or your value, being disrespectful is being disrespectful. Lio shouldn't get a pass at being disrespectful because he hasn't been with the company that long and it was towards someone the community likes? Fair and balanced. I don’t think Enzo got a pass at all. He caught a lot of crap for the way he carried himself. They basically had Miz publicly destroy him in a promo, among other things. He got the title and a top spot in the Cruiserweight division because of the money he brings in. All the Cruiserweights are probably thankful for that because they have a better shot at keeping their jobs and they’re now getting more exposure. Lio hasn’t proven he can pull off any of that. Cruiserweight division is basically his ceiling if he even makes it that far. Hunter breaks kayfabe and hugs his friends and they take away his King of the Ring win, he gets five months of straight losses and becomes mid-card fodder. Enzo does a bunch of "locker room antics" / is disrespectful to a bunch of guys backstage and gets heat with everyone and is given the Cruiserweight belt, twice. Lio says something stupid on Twitter / is disrespectful, and I see some people here say he should be fired. Enzo's crime and punishment & Lio's crime and punishment don't match and they should - keep things fair. And since Enzo has been a Cruiserweight it hasn't done much to the brand. He's feuding with Kalisto now, so the focus is on two guys who aren't part of the roster of Cruiserweights they have and doesn't do anything to highlight them, its just Enzo and Kalisto having matches with a purple rope. It seems like people are more upset with Lio because he's new, and by being new he hasn't been here long enough or doesn't have enough value to be disrespectful? That's what I seem to be taking away from all of this.
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Post by WWFAttitudeEraFan on Nov 3, 2017 15:38:17 GMT -5
What he said was definitely unprofessional considering the circumstances of her release (not smart at all), but seriously with all these reactions? Well then, if that's the case, then I guess lots of people that have been there with the company for decades, should have been fired long ago for all the crap they got away with, like heavily abusing drugs, racism, bullying, abuse of power/politicking, and whatever else. Give me a freaking break. People there have done WAY worse things than what this guy just did.
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Post by bababooey on Nov 3, 2017 15:44:58 GMT -5
I don’t think Enzo got a pass at all. He caught a lot of crap for the way he carried himself. They basically had Miz publicly destroy him in a promo, among other things. He got the title and a top spot in the Cruiserweight division because of the money he brings in. All the Cruiserweights are probably thankful for that because they have a better shot at keeping their jobs and they’re now getting more exposure. Lio hasn’t proven he can pull off any of that. Cruiserweight division is basically his ceiling if he even makes it that far. Hunter breaks kayfabe and hugs his friends and they take away his King of the Ring win, he gets five months of straight losses and becomes mid-card fodder. Enzo does a bunch of "locker room antics" / is disrespectful to a bunch of guys backstage and gets heat with everyone and is given the Cruiserweight belt, twice. Lio says something stupid on Twitter / is disrespectful, and I see some people here say he should be fired. Enzo's crime and punishment & Lio's crime and punishment don't match and they should - keep things fair. And since Enzo has been a Cruiserweight it hasn't done much to the brand. He's feuding with Kalisto now, so the focus is on two guys who aren't part of the roster of Cruiserweights they have and doesn't do anything to highlight them, its just Enzo and Kalisto having matches with a purple rope. It seems like people are more upset with Lio because he's new, and by being new he hasn't been here long enough or doesn't have enough value to be disrespectful? That's what I seem to be taking away from all of this. You’re comparing apples to oranges though. Triple H got punished for the MSG thing because Hall and Nash were gone and HBK was pretty much untouchable. Triple H took the heat for 4 guys because he wasn’t a big time guy at the time. Enzo was punished for the way he acted. He had a lot of heat. But he was kept on and put in a position because he sells a ton of merch, gets more of a reaction than a lot of the guys on the roster, and because the guy they were originally going to go with got hurt. Also, Enzo showed value before getting crazy heat. Lio Rush has done nothing and he made fun of someone losing their job. It shows an incredible level of immaturity. A lot of guys on the indies today haven’t really done anything but they seem to carry themselves like their God’s gift to the world. He screwed up and he’s gotta deal with it. There’s no excuse to make for him, no whining about getting called out on it. He just needs to treat it as a learning opportunity and grow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 16:10:47 GMT -5
Say dumb things and face the consequences. Simple as.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 16:34:57 GMT -5
Hunter breaks kayfabe and hugs his friends and they take away his King of the Ring win, he gets five months of straight losses and becomes mid-card fodder. Enzo does a bunch of "locker room antics" / is disrespectful to a bunch of guys backstage and gets heat with everyone and is given the Cruiserweight belt, twice. Lio says something stupid on Twitter / is disrespectful, and I see some people here say he should be fired. Enzo's crime and punishment & Lio's crime and punishment don't match and they should - keep things fair. And since Enzo has been a Cruiserweight it hasn't done much to the brand. He's feuding with Kalisto now, so the focus is on two guys who aren't part of the roster of Cruiserweights they have and doesn't do anything to highlight them, its just Enzo and Kalisto having matches with a purple rope. It seems like people are more upset with Lio because he's new, and by being new he hasn't been here long enough or doesn't have enough value to be disrespectful? That's what I seem to be taking away from all of this. You’re comparing apples to oranges though. Triple H got punished for the MSG thing because Hall and Nash were gone and HBK was pretty much untouchable. Triple H took the heat for 4 guys because he wasn’t a big time guy at the time. Enzo was punished for the way he acted. He had a lot of heat. But he was kept on and put in a position because he sells a ton of merch, gets more of a reaction than a lot of the guys on the roster, and because the guy they were originally going to go with got hurt. Also, Enzo showed value before getting crazy heat. Lio Rush has done nothing and he made fun of someone losing their job. It shows an incredible level of immaturity. A lot of guys on the indies today haven’t really done anything but they seem to carry themselves like their God’s gift to the world. He screwed up and he’s gotta deal with it. There’s no excuse to make for him, no whining about getting called out on it. He just needs to treat it as a learning opportunity and grow. Not apples to oranges. Step back and look at it from a basic level without all the semantics. Was Enzo disrespectful? Yes. Was Lio disrespectful? Yes. Did Enzo get heat backstage? Yes. Did Lio get heat backstage? Yes. Following Enzo getting heat - regardless of his position before - did he get a good push with title wins? Yes. Have they shown that in the past they will take away opportunities from guys because of heat backstage? Yes.(**) (**They took the belt off Roman and gave it to Seth when he was suspended for 30 days as another example. Enzo didn't even have enough time to cool down from his heat and he was on a push.) What message does this send? You can be a tool and get a belt so long as you're profitable? And seemingly according to this thread it seems people don't care about Enzo being a tool because he has been with the company long enough to earn the right to be disrespectful and because he sells he gets a pass? Where has Lio hasn't been there that long, doesn't make the company any money yet so he should be fired? If anything Enzo being there longer should be the one to set the example, which apparently is you're disrespectful, so you get a push. My whole problem is that people in this thread are being way too harsh on Lio for saying one dumb thing because he hasn't earned the right to say something dumb?
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 3, 2017 17:52:30 GMT -5
I'm aware and I honestly don't care to hear about their opinions especially Rosa Mendes of all people. Aren’t you trying to get in the business? Sh** talking a lot of pros isn’t really the best thing to do man. Just because you don’t care about their opinions doesn’t mean they don’t matter. They are his peers. He will have to share a locker room with them. And the locker room is a tight bond. You insult someone that was a member of that locker room for six years and that’s an issue. If it were ten years ago, Taker would have passed judgement. Yep but no one will know who I am so it's all good. Also you can't like everyone, and there's a lot of wrestlers I don't like or respect.
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 3, 2017 17:56:55 GMT -5
What he said was definitely unprofessional considering the circumstances of her release (not smart at all), but seriously with all these reactions? Well then, if that's the case, then I guess lots of people that have been there with the company for decades, should have been fired long ago for all the crap they got away with, like heavily abusing drugs, racism, bullying, abuse of power/politicking, and whatever else. Give me a freaking break. People there have done WAY worse things than what this guy just did. That's what I'm saying, glad someone understands the situation. People have done way worse and are judging Lio over a comment and apologized for it. I feel like people are getting dumber and dumber these days.
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 3, 2017 17:59:18 GMT -5
Say dumb things and face the consequences. Simple as. But actually "DOING" things is much worse than saying and most wrestlers have done things far worse than Lio.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 18:13:54 GMT -5
Say dumb things and face the consequences. Simple as. But actually "DOING" things is much worse than saying and most wrestlers have done things far worse than Lio. Fair. But often words do more damage than actions.
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 3, 2017 18:15:47 GMT -5
I'm surprised that some of you haven't learned by now that there are people on this board who are always right and should not be argued with.
It'll probably just end with you getting reported and earning a warning bar.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 18:25:01 GMT -5
Yet people want Hogan back after dropping the N word? I love Hogan, don’t get me wrong, but come on now guys. It doesn’t mean Hogan is allowed to go around saying it because he’s a legend, it was just something stupid of him to say. Yes I was shocked, and it really kinda ticked me off, but I soon forgot about it. Sometimes people do stupid things. Lio is young, he wasn’t thinking, I’d warn him though to not do that again.
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Post by IRS on Nov 3, 2017 18:44:40 GMT -5
Honestly, I just find it hilarious that Rush gets this amount of crap, when good ol' MAGGLE Cole called Josh Mathews a certain homophobic slur on Twitter a few years ago and pretty much got off scot-free.
It's the double standard that's more amusing than anything.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 3, 2017 19:08:05 GMT -5
Different scenarios. Different consequences. Different standings in the company. Different consequences.
Ex: I'm a new employee and I make a disrespectful statement right off the bat about a fellow employee. I have a high chance of being fired.
Ex2: I've been around for a few years with a good work ethic. I make a few snide comments to some employees. I get a smack on the wrists as it's my first strike after several years of being employeed.
Ex3: I've been around for years and have been a high standing employee for the company and provide a good image for marketing and merchandising. I have a slip up and get suspended because of it. I get a slight demotion but get back to my position as time passes.
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Post by drifter on Nov 3, 2017 19:19:17 GMT -5
Not really. Enzo is a guy that has been signed with the company for 5 years, and while he has the reputation he's gotten lately, has show value as a character. Lio has been there for less than half a year, and at the moment, when it comes to those in charge, hasn't shown value to the company. Wrong or right, the mentality of a guy getting crap for acting like he's 'part of the locker room' when he's yet to have proven he belongs, is something that's been in WWE for a long time, and that seems to be the greatest 'sin' that he's committed with this whole mess. And I'm sure when he pulled that no sell in his last match in CZW, he probably annoyed some people with that. Enzo gets a pass at being disrespectful because he's been with the company for five years and has some sort of value? It shouldn't matter the length you've been with a company or your value, being disrespectful is being disrespectful. Lio shouldn't get a pass at being disrespectful because he hasn't been with the company that long and it was towards someone the community likes? Fair and balanced. I'm not saying whether he should or shouldn't get a pass. I have no feelings about him, because I really don't know anything of him. What I'm saying is, he's not going to get a pass about this, from people in WWE, because of him being so new. Again, there have been stories over the years, where certain new guys, have to earn their place as part of the locker room. Was the tweet, a stupid joke? of course. But I'm willing to bet a lot of people there didn't see it that way. They saw it, as him being disrespectful of Emma, on the day she was fired. I'm not in any way saying I agree with it, but when you look at the tweets of wrestlers that responded to his tweet, they saw it as disrespect. And you're talking about pro wrestling here, fair and balanced doesn't exist. If it did, everyone, no matter where their place on the roster, would all be held to the same standard, but they're not.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 3, 2017 19:32:36 GMT -5
The question that should be asked isnt "why is his comment getting so much hate?" its..."why should I care about a guys opinion who's ceiling is 205 Live?"
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Nov 3, 2017 19:47:02 GMT -5
F**K WWE and their sensitive feelings. I'm not a fan of Lio Rush, "but to almost lose your job for a comment is ridiculous". Hulk Hogan says otherwise
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 3, 2017 21:42:29 GMT -5
F**K WWE and their sensitive feelings. I'm not a fan of Lio Rush, "but to almost lose your job for a comment is ridiculous". Hulk Hogan says otherwise Hogan had more issues than just his comment, like his court situation.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 3, 2017 23:37:06 GMT -5
Due to mass complaints, I am locking this. But here are my Jerry Springer Final Thoughts before we go... No matter who you are or what you choose to do for a living, in life, or for entertainment, it's best not to walk in the front door with an attitude. Don't be a doucher and people usually won't treat you like a doucher. Regardless of what business you're in, if you piss enough of your co-workers off, you're going to be sent packing. Many in the WWE locker room just found out their friends lost their jobs. So it's understandable that the talent would be offended at someone making light of it. Especially someone in the business who should know better. All that being said...
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