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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 6, 2017 9:56:47 GMT -5
Unsure if this is a Classic Wrestling Topic or one that belongs here, but I'll just leave it here because it relates more to current times.
Does anyone believe that an angle like Sting vs. Hogan/nWo could work in current WWE? Meaning, could a ridiculously slow burn story work in today's era? The beauty of Sting v. Hogan (which was not the match itself) was that even though it was the same every week, people were really anxious to seee Sting finally get his 1 on 1 match with Hogan. Sting didn't ahve to wrestle a single match. All he had to do was do a run-in and the fans ate it up.
In this era, we see Sheamus and Cesaro fight Rollins and Ambrose in some variation each week. Smackdown's storylines are the closest we get to having wrestlers in feuds wait until the PPV to finally face each other. For example, instead of seeing AJ vs Corbin 3 times before the PPV, we see AJ v. Tye and Corbin v. Tye; we see New Day vs. American Alpha 2.0 instead of AA2 vs Usos 3 times and in singles matches. But nothing as long as the Sting Hogan build.
So, do you think if WWE wanted to, they could do a slow burn for approximately a year? Or was Sting/Hogan an anomaly that can't be duplicated? Only reason I ask is because I was talking with my friends who say that WWE hot shot stories too fast. While I agreed, my counter was fans today can't wait that long. While we can agree that Styles v. Nakamura or Cena vs. Undertaker are main event Wrestlemania matches that we can wait for, we probably couldn't sit through a year build (and I don't mean a year build like where Rock challenged Cena. I mean an actual storyline build). We'd all be complaining that this was too early to start the feud.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Nov 6, 2017 11:12:22 GMT -5
These dumbass crowds chant for CM Punk in Bobby Roode matches. They have short attention spans.
And people wonder why WWE lacks continuity. They also complain about WWE disrespecting their intelligence. What intelligence?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 6, 2017 11:20:40 GMT -5
The WWE could build a slow story line, they just don't want too.
The reason why Sting vs. Hogan worked out so well too back then, was because Hogan also worked with Savage, Piper, Giant, Luger and Piper again before the Sting match happened. There was enough main event stars that Hogan could work before the big match with Sting.
Not saying there isn't big stars in the WWE today, but compared to 20 years ago, these current big name stars aren't anywhere near close to the big name stars then. So the WWE now instead tries to rush things to build stars, but in turn doesn't really do that. They are too worried about creating a 'now' compared to looking into the future.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Nov 6, 2017 11:45:25 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan VS The Authority was a slow burning storyline and it worked great apart from Bryan's injury. HHH screwed Bryan at Summerslam and the 1 on 1 match that everyone wanted to see didn't happen until the following Mania.
Slow burning storylines do work and make the product watchable but sadly they are few and far between.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 6, 2017 11:46:39 GMT -5
Creatively it's just about leading the audience. So yes, I think WWE could easily do it, and the audience wouldn't really know it was happening if done correctly. However, WWE is a business designed to generate a profit. I just don't think in 2017 they would be willing to commit a star to something like that because you have to use a guy so sparingly or keep him away from the show.
Look at the CM Punk MITB angle. Imagine the kind of momentum WWE could have generated if they were able to drag that angle out and let CM Punk work different places until around Rumble time or whatever. They needed a SummerSlam main event though and it was back to business as usual. So it's more about WWE than it is the audience imo.
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Post by BØRNS on Nov 6, 2017 12:21:39 GMT -5
I think we crave slow burn storylines. The problem is that WWE seems to think 100 rematches = a slow burn feud. I think WWE lacks the control and focus to plan for a long build-up for a feud. Today, their idea of a long buildup is a month before a ppv.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 6, 2017 12:31:58 GMT -5
Reigns vs Brock 2 at WM34 has been a slow burn 3 years in the making. Reigns was supposed to become "The Guy" at WM31 by defeating The Beast but it was stolen from him by Rollins. His journey since then has been trying to convince everyone that he is "The Guy" by winning the title on a couple of occasions, by beating HHH, by beating The Undertaker, and by beating Cena. But the only way to fully cement himself as the top guy is to do what he wasn't able to do 3 years ago and that is to conquer The Beast.
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Post by BØRNS on Nov 6, 2017 12:35:19 GMT -5
Reigns vs Brock 2 at WM34 has been a slow burn 3 years in the making. Reigns was supposed to become "The Guy" at WM31 by defeating The Beast but it was stolen from him by Rollins. His journey since then has been trying to convince everyone that he is "The Guy" by winning the title on a couple of occasions, by beating HHH, by beating The Undertaker, and by beating Cena. But the only way to fully cement himself as the top guy is to do what he wasn't able to do 3 years ago and that is to conquer The Beast. I understand, but WWE hasn't given us a reason to care about Reigns.
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Post by xtremebadass on Nov 6, 2017 12:45:37 GMT -5
The modern day WWE crowd has a very short attention span. They will say they want something with a slow build, but not even halfway through they'll bail and criticize something they said they wanted.
This is why WWE can't do long stories, that and the predictability factor isn't doing them any favors either.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 6, 2017 12:45:53 GMT -5
Reigns vs Brock 2 at WM34 has been a slow burn 3 years in the making. Reigns was supposed to become "The Guy" at WM31 by defeating The Beast but it was stolen from him by Rollins. His journey since then has been trying to convince everyone that he is "The Guy" by winning the title on a couple of occasions, by beating HHH, by beating The Undertaker, and by beating Cena. But the only way to fully cement himself as the top guy is to do what he wasn't able to do 3 years ago and that is to conquer The Beast. I understand, but WWE hasn't given us a reason to care about Reigns. Reigns is way over. Cheers or boos he gets a reaction from everyone. You're invested in a Roman Reigns' match whether you hate him or love him. Even the those that boo him get confused on whether or not they hate him because I hear a lot of boos turn into cheers throughout the course of his matches. Plus, if no one cared about him, then why does his merch sell?
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Nov 6, 2017 13:47:41 GMT -5
No. If the nWo storyline happened with modern fans, by about week four or five it'd just be complaint after complaint about how they were burying the young guys or cruiserweight or whoever they beat down that week. No way it'd go a year and a half.
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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 6, 2017 13:56:32 GMT -5
Woah woah woah woah. My fault for not being clear.
Slow build needs to be defined. The idea of a match is not a slow build. There needs to be some storyline to it.
How often in the past month has Roman continuously been hounding Lesnar for a shot? 2 months? 6 months? year? Granted I haven't watched every minute of every Raw, but its never really been talked about.
Sting vs. Hogan was at the forefront of the nWo angle and mentioned every Monday night.
So, it can't be a "dream match" or a match that WWE thinks we want. By that logic, the WWE has been doig a slow build for Nakamura and Styles just as it has been for Styles and Shawn Michaels and Kevin Owens and Hulk Hogan.
It has to be a real storyline.
My memory is also a bit hazy on the Bryan Authority Angle. There was no real slow burn to it. They were never really planning on putting him in the match in the first place.
So, to be clear, slow build means references. Maybe Roman challenges Brock. Brock ducks the challenge. Puts in obstacles. Not, well Reigns is in line for the Champ, lets build him up so that when he does feud with Lesnar they'll be equals. there has to be an overarching storyline that puts them at odds with one another.
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Post by BSR on Nov 6, 2017 14:07:25 GMT -5
Lmao. No.
Fans these days are gnat's
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 15:04:54 GMT -5
I understand, but WWE hasn't given us a reason to care about Reigns. Reigns is way over. Cheers or boos he gets a reaction from everyone. You're invested in a Roman Reigns' match whether you hate him or love him. Even the those that boo him get confused on whether or not they hate him because I hear a lot of boos turn into cheers throughoujt the course of his matches. Plus, if no one cared about him, then why does his merch sell? his merch sells sure ok just because wwe tells you he's top seller don't mean he is wwe is masonic company run by 33 degree masons so of course they will lie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 15:06:50 GMT -5
They did it with Rock and Cena. Over the course of three Wrestlemanias.
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 6, 2017 16:23:12 GMT -5
No, and the fault lies on both sides.
The WWE are like a horny teenager trying to get into their girls' pants on Saturday night. They can't even hold off on a title match until Sunday...they give it away on Monday or Tuesday and then wonder why nobody gives a hug when the PPV rolls around five or six days later.
Meanwhile, the fans are just as fickle. Look at how quickly stars are turned on once they get a push.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Nov 6, 2017 17:04:14 GMT -5
They did it with Rock and Cena. Over the course of three Wrestlemanias. This 👍🏽
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Post by IRS on Nov 6, 2017 17:07:03 GMT -5
One of the highest-rated TV shows today is built around slow burn stories; if the story is good enough, people will pay attention.
However, I do not in any way believe that WWE is capable of pulling off something like Hogan/Sting or Taz/Sabu today. They can barely book from PPV-to-PPV, let alone lay something out for a year. Or even 6 months. Maybe if the writing team wasn't 30 people from soap operas and Nickelodeon.
The Bryan/Authority storyline is the closest example in recent memory, and while in hindsight it worked out, it was crap until the final few weeks before WM. The company actively tried to replace Bryan in the storyline with Big Show, and when that didn't work, unsuccessfully tried to turn him heel just to kill his popularity. But the fact that the fans refused to quit on Bryan shows that they are willing to be invested in something.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 6, 2017 18:00:12 GMT -5
If WWE did plan something out long term, the fans would most likely sniff it out early and run to complain on the internet. Unless it fits their specific criteria, they'd sabotage it every chance they got.
Remember, when Hogan and sting were feuding, the internet was still in it's infant stages. And those wrestling fans were still very happy to have people to talk to, so there was much less fighting and much much less complaining.
WWE does still give us the slow burn storylines from time to time. Jericho & Owens were built up over months, but we all knew where it was going. Even when it happened, we weren't really all that surprised. The best way to keep fans guessing is to catch them off guard. Zig we we expect them to zag. But it's not easy to do nowadays with wrestling fans. We see the big picture far in advance. And everyone has to guess where things are going instead of enjoying the ride.
And for the record... the best slow burn story in all of wrestling was the Mega Powers. But that was a much different time.
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Post by BSR on Nov 6, 2017 23:34:13 GMT -5
Reigns is way over. Cheers or boos he gets a reaction from everyone. You're invested in a Roman Reigns' match whether you hate him or love him. Even the those that boo him get confused on whether or not they hate him because I hear a lot of boos turn into cheers throughoujt the course of his matches. Plus, if no one cared about him, then why does his merch sell? his merch sells sure ok just because wwe tells you he's top seller don't mean he is wwe is masonic company run by 33 degree masons so of course they will lie Well then.
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