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Post by wrestlingfan2011 on Nov 28, 2017 22:46:55 GMT -5
I don't know if this question was already answered, but it have been long since i have been in the boards after hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico.
Does anyone knows why the articulation on the feet was removed? I was looking at some pictures at ringside and mattel seems to eliminate that articulation.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Nov 28, 2017 23:02:45 GMT -5
It was removed because of costs. That's the reason we've been given at least. Keeping prices steady or cutting corners is up to you to decide. Bill doesn't work on basics anymore so I'd imagine him being moved exclusively to elites made the decision easier for whoever wanted to do it
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Post by wrestlingfan2011 on Nov 28, 2017 23:12:43 GMT -5
It was removed because of costs. That's the reason we've been given at least. Keeping prices steady or cutting corners is up to you to decide. Bill doesn't work on basics anymore so I'd imagine him being moved exclusively to elites made the decision easier for whoever wanted to do it Thinking on that reason, isn't it the same amount of plastic needed to make the boot completely hard and not articulated, than making it articulated? Because if is because of that cost i think it might be the same. The only thing that can change it is that it would be because of job cutting that would make the boot without articulation. I had preferred a less attractive box than eliminating the foot articulation. In a future i think I would change the boots with some elite parts so the basics get back to the way they were before. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Nov 28, 2017 23:20:58 GMT -5
Bill said he fought hard to keep them, unfortunately basics have those cheap titantron arms and now feet with no articulation. It now makes them completely useless to me when I bought the occasional basic for parts.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Nov 29, 2017 0:17:13 GMT -5
It was removed because of costs. That's the reason we've been given at least. Keeping prices steady or cutting corners is up to you to decide. Bill doesn't work on basics anymore so I'd imagine him being moved exclusively to elites made the decision easier for whoever wanted to do it Thinking on that reason, isn't it the same amount of plastic needed to make the boot completely hard and not articulated, than making it articulated? Because if is because of that cost i think it might be the same. The only thing that can change it is that it would be because of job cutting that would make the boot without articulation. I had preferred a less attractive box than eliminating the foot articulation. In a future i think I would change the boots with some elite parts so the basics get back to the way they were before. Since it's one piece it only requires one mold. However they still have to make the mold so they're still spending a lot atm |
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Post by kgchampion on Nov 29, 2017 1:57:25 GMT -5
It was removed because of costs. That's the reason we've been given at least. Keeping prices steady or cutting corners is up to you to decide. Bill doesn't work on basics anymore so I'd imagine him being moved exclusively to elites made the decision easier for whoever wanted to do it Thinking on that reason, isn't it the same amount of plastic needed to make the boot completely hard and not articulated, than making it articulated? Because if is because of that cost i think it might be the same. The only thing that can change it is that it would be because of job cutting that would make the boot without articulation. I had preferred a less attractive box than eliminating the foot articulation. In a future i think I would change the boots with some elite parts so the basics get back to the way they were before. It'd be cheaper with one piece. One mould instead of 3 (foot, calf, connector joint thingy). Plus you'd need extra machines to attach the two pieces together. I imagine eliminating that would save a lot of money over the course of a year. But this is all speculation. I've never worked in manufacturing. |
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Post by airbud on Nov 29, 2017 2:27:10 GMT -5
Most of the fun for me is changing parts and making customs.
The changes mattel has made on basics has made them almost completely useless to me now.
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Post by chowmeinkane on Nov 29, 2017 2:53:41 GMT -5
Ankle articulation on basic has always been useless imo, I prefer the new ones because they're guaranteed to stand up with no issue. The arms are good too but I can see the other side of the argument with that.
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Post by livecraig1 on Nov 29, 2017 4:12:37 GMT -5
Where are the images of the new basics?
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Post by CampCornette on Nov 29, 2017 8:56:30 GMT -5
Bill said he fought hard to keep them, unfortunately basics have those cheap titantron arms and now feet with no articulation. It now makes them completely useless to me when I bought the occasional basic for parts. Here’s how this conversation went: Mattel: “Cut costs” Bill: “ Uhh...ok” |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 29, 2017 8:59:35 GMT -5
Bill said he fought hard to keep them, unfortunately basics have those cheap titantron arms and now feet with no articulation. It now makes them completely useless to me when I bought the occasional basic for parts. Here’s how this conversation went: Mattel: “Cut costs” Bill: “ Uhh...ok” Bill no longer does basics.
Mattel: Cut costs Basic Designer: OK
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Nov 29, 2017 9:30:04 GMT -5
The basic series is going down hill from here.
The basic is so bad I can't see myself ever buying a diva unless it come in Elite.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 10:04:29 GMT -5
Bill said he fought hard to keep them, unfortunately basics have those cheap titantron arms and now feet with no articulation. It now makes them completely useless to me when I bought the occasional basic for parts. They aren’t like TTL arms at all. They swivel at the elbow which TTL arms didn’t do. So please stop talking out of your behind. I love it when kids on here talk about figures they have never even seen in person because they are too young |
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 29, 2017 10:33:27 GMT -5
Bill said he fought hard to keep them, unfortunately basics have those cheap titantron arms and now feet with no articulation. It now makes them completely useless to me when I bought the occasional basic for parts. They aren’t like TTL arms at all. They swivel at the elbow which TTL arms didn’t do. So please stop talking out of your behind. I love it when kids on here talk about figures they have never even seen in person because they are too young Uhhhh...based on the dude’s profile he’s only a year older than me, and I had some of the TTL figures growing up. Stop insulting the guy. Get off your high horse. Anyways, yeah the articulation sucks on basics now. But people are still going to buy them, so it doesn’t make a difference. I stopped collecting basics awhile back, but I would occasionally pick up a some of the women here and there since most of them will never get elites. But I’m simply just done with basic line all together. |
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Post by killerkapowski on Nov 29, 2017 10:44:20 GMT -5
It's too bad because I always liked the original basic ankle over the elite ones. All of my basic collection ankles functioned the way they were designed. The elite ankles are never guaranteed to move as some are completely frozen like my legends Steamboat.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 29, 2017 11:10:15 GMT -5
Thinking on that reason, isn't it the same amount of plastic needed to make the boot completely hard and not articulated, than making it articulated? Because if is because of that cost i think it might be the same. The only thing that can change it is that it would be because of job cutting that would make the boot without articulation. I had preferred a less attractive box than eliminating the foot articulation. In a future i think I would change the boots with some elite parts so the basics get back to the way they were before. It'd be cheaper with one piece. One mould instead of 3 (foot, calf, connector joint thingy). Plus you'd need extra machines to attach the two pieces together. I imagine eliminating that would save a lot of money over the course of a year. But this is all speculation. I've never worked in manufacturing. I can tell you a single mold costs thousands of dollars and does not last forever. And since time is money, the time it takes assemble those parts being dropped for a single piece is a money saver as well. You’re definitely on the right track. Saving money through the course of the year? You got that right. McDonalds dropped a piece of cheese from their double cheese burger and saved millions. |
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Post by legendsguy on Nov 29, 2017 11:41:18 GMT -5
I do wonder how well these will sell once the casual fans figure out they no longer have all the articulation. much like those star wars figs, with 5 poa... granted the force links have better molding and scans, the 5 poa still shys people away from buying them. I dunno, somehow I feel like they couldve sufficed the basics and left them alone, but with all these lines they have out now, I see how hard it prob was to keep articulation in. it does suck though , because I did use arm swaps a lot. and Bill said something about its either Deco or articulation..i guess I agree with him on the Deco. argument.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Nov 29, 2017 12:23:36 GMT -5
@charlesleeray if there's anyone acting like a child it's you based on your reply and short temper. I'm 24, so chill. Maybe you should stop assuming things, I never once mentioned that the arms didn't swivel. Bill has stated countless times that they do, what I was referring to was the asthetic look of the arms that resemble ttl. Not going to waste my time arguing with you considering the amount of times I've seen you pick fights on this forum. hbkrules thanks bro, I think some people on this forum can't handle a mature conversation or differ without getting heated up lol |
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Post by crashholly2002 on Nov 29, 2017 13:13:01 GMT -5
 all this talk and not one image has been posted, Wfigs; step your game up! |
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 29, 2017 13:20:34 GMT -5
I do wonder how well these will sell once the casual fans figure out they no longer have all the articulation. much like those star wars figs, with 5 poa... granted the force links have better molding and scans, the 5 poa still shys people away from buying them. I dunno, somehow I feel like they couldve sufficed the basics and left them alone, but with all these lines they have out now, I see how hard it prob was to keep articulation in. it does suck though , because I did use arm swaps a lot. and Bill said something about its either Deco or articulation..i guess I agree with him on the Deco. argument. I’m sure they’ll sell just fine. Little kids don’t really care about articulation sometimes, and $10 isn’t a whole lot for an action figure. For the most part, they look the same other than the swivel and foot. |
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