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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 15, 2017 0:26:32 GMT -5
I have no problem with the first Kurt Angle being an Entrance Great figure... as has been pointed out, it's clever marketing (like with the Goldberg ring) - heck, if I was working at Mattel, I'd do the same thing. What I do (strongly) object to though, is us (in the UK) being charged a ridiculous price of £33 ( almost $45!) for the figure... especially when he's only about $28 in the US. That's a whopping $17 mark-up... it's madness. Clever marketing? Do you know if they are selling? I know my local Smyths cant shift them and xmas is only 2 weeks away. I know the first batch or rings Smyths had (months ago) seemed to sell... these ones don't seem to selling so well though. I think a lot of it is due to the price, rather than marketing though - we are paying much more than the US (again) for the ring... if it was around £65-£75 (the US equivalent), I could see it selling much better. In fact, I think Smyths will be reducing it in the sales after Christmas. I have no problem with the first Kurt Angle being an Entrance Great figure... as has been pointed out, it's clever marketing (like with the Goldberg ring) - heck, if I was working at Mattel, I'd do the same thing. What I do (strongly) object to though, is us (in the UK) being charged a ridiculous price of £33 ( almost $45!) for the figure... especially when he's only about $28 in the US. That's a whopping $17 mark-up... it's madness. Just out of curiousity, is the sound base a selling point for you? Or would you have been happier paying less for this figure to be a standard elite fb? I don't care about the musical base, to be honest. I wish they'd just kept the Defining Moments line, so we had the same figures, but with more accessories... I'd have quite happily paid £24.99 for a bald Kurt Angle with cloth hoodie, medals and undisputed title (...maybe a US flag too).
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Post by hellojoeivers on Dec 15, 2017 2:18:08 GMT -5
I’d have quite happily paid £24.99 for a bald Kurt Angle with cloth hoodie, medals and undisputed title (...maybe a US flag too). Would you have settled for authentic ring attire and/or detailed tattoos?
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Post by mattelwwecollector on Dec 15, 2017 6:12:57 GMT -5
I’ll be buying it, couldn’t care how much it costs, I’m taking that Kurt Angle Home
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 15, 2017 6:39:40 GMT -5
I’ll be buying it, couldn’t care how much it costs, I’m taking that Kurt Angle Home Agreed! If I had my choice I’d ditch music and add ic/euro belts, but either way this is just have!
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Dec 15, 2017 8:44:13 GMT -5
Oh and what about the clutter of elites that cant sell for £19.99 or less that clog the shelves at Smyths up and down the country? Ofcourse im going to buy Kurt Angle, just like im going to buy flashbacks in general. It doesnt mean they sell well, the earlier poster said the TNF and HOF figures didnt sell and Ill not be paying £32.99 for Jeff by the way. Had he been £19.99 in a standard elite release, probably because in all likely hood he would drop further to £14.99 which is the average clearing price at Smyths, however I cant see a £32.99 release getting dropped to £14.99 could you? and if so, I cant see too many being ordered in for the future, and say for arguments sake NWO Hogan got a EG release down the line...well guess what? Stores dont order him! prices sky rocket on secondary market and we are out of pocket! So what is your problem now? Are you worried that the £32.99 selling price may turn people off and not buy Kurt Angle thus Entrance Greats no longer being ordered and sold by Smyths? If so, that’s not Mattel’s fault, it’s Smyths 🤨 It’s not like Mattel gives them a set price to sell them otherwise it’ll make no sense why RSC is selling EG Angle $3 more than their average Elite whereas Smyths is selling it for £13 more. You’re trying to place a lot of blame on Mattel when quite frankly it’s the stores you should have a beef with. Its not Mattels fault, no? Wheres your economics in making that point? You dont think international orders cost more? you think Smyths pulled that £32.99 price tag out of thin air? I guess you just forgot about customs charges and transport costs, etc. Basic economics, Mattel as the supplier should be taking these things on board when planning products and how they can affect distribution. Thats why I say Mattel have to take some blame for poor decision making. Had this figure been a standard elite fb, you have a cheaper figure and happier consumers. Ultimately the EG will die a slow death like they did the first time around. Wait and see. Mattel cant even get HoF, TNF figures into a lot of stores where you are never mind here in the UK. Have a think about that, is that the stores fault? Its too much product with not enough demand. How did the four horsemen set do? I could give you examples all day long. Its poor decision making.
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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 15, 2017 12:55:13 GMT -5
I do think the way they're releasing first-time figures like Goldberg, Angle and Hardy is a smart business move... people really want them and most will be willing to pay more than a standard Elite.
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Post by Truth HuRts on Dec 15, 2017 14:36:08 GMT -5
You would think so but so many people on here wanted basic looking Elite figures like Debut Kurt Angle or WCW Goldberg in DM or EG packaging that they forgot the massive price difference between those and regular Flashbacks. Quite stupid if you ask me, also that figure is not worth £32.99 🙄 I agree. £32.99 is insane, I mean its bonkers, lets be honest and Bill needs to take some blame for this. Hes the guy Im guessing that picks and chooses which figures go in which line. That Kurt Angle figure is a standard elite, which here in the UK cost £19.99, Im going to have to pay an extra £13 because it has a sound base that I have absolute no use for, nor im sure most collectors even want. I mean, why would you? Its crazy. £32.99, these costs are beyond ridiculous and they wont sell here in the UK at that price, Ill be buying mine but elites are clogging shelves here at the current price of £19.99 they only sell when Smyths drop them in price and even then they are hard to shift. Worrying. £32.99 Is not bad if you want the figure tbh
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Post by SteveHulk on Dec 15, 2017 21:15:27 GMT -5
I agree. £32.99 is insane, I mean its bonkers, lets be honest and Bill needs to take some blame for this. Hes the guy Im guessing that picks and chooses which figures go in which line. That Kurt Angle figure is a standard elite, which here in the UK cost £19.99, Im going to have to pay an extra £13 because it has a sound base that I have absolute no use for, nor im sure most collectors even want. I mean, why would you? Its crazy. £32.99, these costs are beyond ridiculous and they wont sell here in the UK at that price, Ill be buying mine but elites are clogging shelves here at the current price of £19.99 they only sell when Smyths drop them in price and even then they are hard to shift. Worrying. £32.99 Is not bad if you want the figure tbh I disagree - £32.99 is VERY expensive for a figure that, aside from the base, actually comes with less than a regular Elite. If people in the US were being charged almost $45 for this, the board would go in to meltdown...
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Post by Truth HuRts on Dec 15, 2017 21:37:18 GMT -5
£32.99 Is not bad if you want the figure tbh I disagree - £32.99 is VERY expensive for a figure that, aside from the base, actually comes with less than a regular Elite. If people in the US were being charged almost $45 for this, the board would go in to meltdown... if you want a figure bad enough the price shouldn't matter id pay £70 for a Orton figure if i had to no point complaining about the price it won't make it go down
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Post by l on Dec 15, 2017 23:42:58 GMT -5
You guys arguing about putting the EG figures in the elite line are silly. If you were mattel, whose business is to make money, A) put a highly sought after figure in the regular elite line at regular price and distribution or B) dress the figure up a little with packing and or accessories, give it more limited release and bump the price a bit?
I mean, sure we'd all like the figures for 10 bucks. If you say otherwise I question your sanity. However with limited release and higher prices, mattel is guranteed to make money assuming the figure will be a high demand one. It's pretty easy to see why. Of course that's not me defending to their choice just pointing out the rationality of what they have done. I would be fine if they put out enough so that everyone could get one at the price they wanted but it's just not a feasible model.
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Dec 16, 2017 4:10:16 GMT -5
I like the figure - don't even care about lack of accessories - got plenty of Eurocontinentals already.
I just think the concept of a music box is so outdated in 2017. These things would've been gold back in the TTL days or even early RA but everyone, including kids, have easy access not only to the music but to complete music videos on phones, laptops or tablets. Hell we can even connect a tablet to an entrance stage to play the music.
So paying this much extra for the music box really does make absolutely no sense to me.
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Post by mcfclee on Dec 16, 2017 6:10:21 GMT -5
I like the figure - don't even care about lack of accessories - got plenty of Eurocontinentals already. I just think the concept of a music box is so outdated in 2017. These things would've been gold back in the TTL days or even early RA but everyone, including kids, have easy access not only to the music but to complete music videos on phones, laptops or tablets. Hell we can even connect a tablet to an entrance stage to play the music. So paying this much extra for the music box really does make absolutely no sense to me. I Don’t even mind that as true as it is. My main gripe isn’t that or the price even, it’s Kurt angles lack of memorable entrance as the first entrance great back haha
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Post by Jonny Flashback on Dec 16, 2017 7:46:39 GMT -5
I like the figure - don't even care about lack of accessories - got plenty of Eurocontinentals already. I just think the concept of a music box is so outdated in 2017. These things would've been gold back in the TTL days or even early RA but everyone, including kids, have easy access not only to the music but to complete music videos on phones, laptops or tablets. Hell we can even connect a tablet to an entrance stage to play the music. So paying this much extra for the music box really does make absolutely no sense to me. I Don’t even mind that as true as it is. My main gripe isn’t that or the price even, it’s Kurt angles lack of memorable entrance as the first entrance great back haha That's also very true. Hardly epitomizes an Entrance Great. The line should be full of entrance gear like the previous incarnation. The Team Angle version would have fit nicely in here. As much as I actually prefer this version of Kurt to any other.
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Post by CampCornette on Dec 16, 2017 9:17:25 GMT -5
UK > USA so either way you’re good
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 16, 2017 9:21:12 GMT -5
There is no way that will sell at the price. Smyths are constantly reducing the prices of Elites because people won't pay £19.99 for them so this Angle will not move at all.
If the music box is what's increasing the price then I would prefer it to be removed and replaced with more deco for the figures. The series is called Entrance Greats so it should focus on the wrestlers entrance which should include titles and entrance gear not something that plays a few seconds of music.
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Dec 16, 2017 9:34:54 GMT -5
There is no way that will sell at the price. Smyths are constantly reducing the prices of Elites because people won't pay £19.99 for them so this Angle will not move at all. If the music box is what's increasing the price then I would prefer it to be removed and replaced with more deco for the figures. The series is called Entrance Greats so it should focus on the wrestlers entrance which should include titles and entrance gear not something that plays a few seconds of music. Folks kept clamoring for the return of Entrance Greats, so Mattel brought it back. And just like with Defining Moments, things aren't like you used to remember it to be. Future Entrance Greats will probably be more gear based along with the musical base. We should be happy that they're elite instead of a basic like they used to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 16:24:14 GMT -5
Smyths seem to be discounting new figures quite quickly anyway, probably because they are clogged up with enough older figures as it is. It is a shame this figure is costing so much. Kind of started with Defining Moments Flair and Macho being so dear.
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Post by stick29 on Dec 17, 2017 5:44:19 GMT -5
We have always paid more for figures in the UK. That is because of shipping and customs charges, however I believe if you really want a figure the price doesn't really make a difference. I live in the UK and have been buying figures for years, I would say that many of mine have come from the US, yes I've paid more for them but if I hadn't I wouldn't have them in my collection and that is what matters to me. I wanted them. recently I've bought HOF Edge and Piper, NXT Seth Rollins, No Way Jose, Scott Dawson & Dash Wilder and TNF Tyler Breeze, Earthquake, Typhoon, Jason Jordan, Chad gable and Miss Elizabeth all form America because I know how hard they are to buy here in the UK. Smyth's do a good job and have one of the best range of WWE Action figures in the UK, I'm happy that EG will be sold here in the UK as there was a question mark if we would get it at all. For me, I will buy Kurt Angle and I will buy Jeff Hardy from this line. (I've got NO use for the stand at all)
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Dec 18, 2017 12:33:32 GMT -5
We have always paid more for figures in the UK. That is because of shipping and customs charges, however I believe if you really want a figure the price doesn't really make a difference. I live in the UK and have been buying figures for years, I would say that many of mine have come from the US, yes I've paid more for them but if I hadn't I wouldn't have them in my collection and that is what matters to me. I wanted them. recently I've bought HOF Edge and Piper, NXT Seth Rollins, No Way Jose, Scott Dawson & Dash Wilder and TNF Tyler Breeze, Earthquake, Typhoon, Jason Jordan, Chad gable and Miss Elizabeth all form America because I know how hard they are to buy here in the UK. Smyth's do a good job and have one of the best range of WWE Action figures in the UK, I'm happy that EG will be sold here in the UK as there was a question mark if we would get it at all. For me, I will buy Kurt Angle and I will buy Jeff Hardy from this line. (I've got NO use for the stand at all) It seems most people here have no use for the music stand, a complete waste of space. This figure should have just been a standard elite flashback.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Dec 18, 2017 14:11:10 GMT -5
The prices we get charged in the UK are absolutely mind-numbingly ridiculous, and they just continue to go up and up. No figure is worth £33. I think even £20 is much higher than it should be. Smyths constantly reduces prices that they started too high. I don't see why they don't just charge a reasonable amount to begin with. The biggest reason why I'm not a collector is simply because I can't afford too, because in today's world figures cost far too much than they should. Of course prices in the toy industry have shot up across the board, but WWE figures have risen far higher than other lines. When I see that figures cost roughly half in the US what they cost in the UK, that just blows my mind.
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