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Post by LA Times on Dec 19, 2017 22:34:09 GMT -5
People need to realise that gimmicks and characters are different. No one wants the roster full of pirates, boogeymen and magicians. We want strong stand alone characters that us the fans can invest in. Look at Austin and Rock. Their characters were so strong it made them instant legends and huge draws for the company. They were two normal guys that couldn't have been more different and that was because of character development. The current roster is the greatest in years but they still need the part timers to sell the big PPV's, now ask yourselves why is that? We have a roster full of talented guys but the booking and scripts don't do them any favours and as a result no one cares. Another issue with todays wrestlers is their names. Everyone has a first and second name that your best friend or neighbour could be called. Whatever happened to wrestlers using their nicknames as ring names? A lot of the names NXT/WWE has come up with recently look like they ripped up a copy of Entertainment Weekly and picked 2 pieces off the floor. One of the worst was when they gave Evan Bourne his name just so they can call his Shooting Star Press "Airborne", which wouldve been a better wrestling name.
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Post by Sizzle on Dec 19, 2017 22:50:50 GMT -5
People need to realise that gimmicks and characters are different. No one wants the roster full of pirates, boogeymen and magicians. We want strong stand alone characters that us the fans can invest in. Look at Austin and Rock. Their characters were so strong it made them instant legends and huge draws for the company. They were two normal guys that couldn't have been more different and that was because of character development. The current roster is the greatest in years but they still need the part timers to sell the big PPV's, now ask yourselves why is that? We have a roster full of talented guys but the booking and scripts don't do them any favours and as a result no one cares. Another issue with todays wrestlers is their names. Everyone has a first and second name that your best friend or neighbour could be called. Whatever happened to wrestlers using their nicknames as ring names? This is a dumb point. John Cena, Randy Orton, Steve Austin, Jake Roberts, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Ric Flair, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, even Hulk Hogan. Whether the name is a mononymous or not means nothing.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Dec 19, 2017 22:59:46 GMT -5
I think the current roster has talent but creative doesn't have anything for them and do not know how to utilize them. Take Bray Wyatt for example, the dude is if not the best crap talker in the roster today but never backs it up and goes on to pointless feuds. The roster also suffers from not having credible superstars, you weren't going to believe that someone like the new day were a threat to the shield. You wouldn't in a million years think that kalisto could ever beat Roman in a match either... It's for a reason... They need to start giving heels credibility and not just make them cowards etc. I personally like gimmicks, just not to the point where it's overdone. The current roster is missing just that, I mean I miss guys in facepaint, masks etc. Look at the undertaker, we'll never have a character like that ever again. I wish storylines would be developed more as well, the current product is just stale and more along the lines of we want to see this person against Brock..
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Post by MacReady on Dec 19, 2017 23:00:52 GMT -5
People need to realise that gimmicks and characters are different. No one wants the roster full of pirates, boogeymen and magicians. We want strong stand alone characters that us the fans can invest in. Look at Austin and Rock. Their characters were so strong it made them instant legends and huge draws for the company. They were two normal guys that couldn't have been more different and that was because of character development. The current roster is the greatest in years but they still need the part timers to sell the big PPV's, now ask yourselves why is that? We have a roster full of talented guys but the booking and scripts don't do them any favours and as a result no one cares. Another issue with todays wrestlers is their names. Everyone has a first and second name that your best friend or neighbour could be called. Whatever happened to wrestlers using their nicknames as ring names? This is a dumb point. John Cena, Randy Orton, Steve Austin, Jake Roberts, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Ric Flair, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, even Hulk Hogan. Whether the name is a mononymous or not means nothing. I will both agree AND disagree with this... yeah those names work well... but on the flip side, we have Elias. Just Elias... And then you have the likes of Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, Edge, Sting, Kane, Mankind, Vader, Diesel, Hawk, Animal. Names, I think, can mean something... good or bad.
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Post by Sizzle on Dec 19, 2017 23:14:09 GMT -5
This is a dumb point. John Cena, Randy Orton, Steve Austin, Jake Roberts, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Ric Flair, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, even Hulk Hogan. Whether the name is a mononymous or not means nothing. I will both agree AND disagree with this... yeah those names work well... but on the flip side, we have Elias. Just Elias... And then you have the likes of Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, Edge, Sting, Kane, Mankind, Vader, Diesel, Hawk, Animal. Names, I think, can mean something... good or bad. Yeah it doesn't matter if the name is just a name or a first and surname. There are good and bad names but a lot of times I feel like people are reaching trying to find reasons for their beliefs when there are plenty already.
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Post by SodaGuy on Dec 19, 2017 23:50:59 GMT -5
Everyone just scoffs at the idea of there being characters in pro-wrestling because the associate "characters" with "gimmicks" which isn't really the same. It's not about throwing [x] wrestler into a jumpsuit and having him proclaim he's a part-time mechanic. It's about giving talent some character to allow the audience to connect with them more. Tyler Breeze and Fandango have gotten over with their "Fashion Police" characters. Why? Because it's something different. There aren't two other talents running around like a couple of goofs staring in a show within a show on Smackdown Live! like them. Elias is getting heat on a weekly basis with his character without being this over the top straight from the 80's gimmick. The Miz is on the the best characters in WWE (and I'd argue pro-wrestling) with the best part about his character being that he's living everything he's saying. He's telling the whole world about how he's the big Hollywood star. Meanwhile.. he's filming movies and hosting television shows. You'll find him on ESPN from time-to-time. He's on TMZ.com right now with his smokin' hot wife shopping in Beverly Hills. That's being a character in the world of pro-wrestling. It's not all about turning 'em into garbage men, postal workers, NASCAR drivers, etc. It's about giving them character because every good television show needs characters. WWE (and pro-wrestling) is nothing different.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Dec 19, 2017 23:58:03 GMT -5
Guys like Adam Cole and his 2 partners, Roderick Strong, Johnny Gargano, Tomasso Ciampa, The Revival etc bore me to tears. They're all essentially the same damn person. Their 'gimmick' if you can call it that, is that they can wrestle. Adam Cole is supposed to be a heel but his main thing is getting the crowd to say "ADAM COLE BAYBAY!".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 5:35:13 GMT -5
You're telling me that Mike Kannelis being so infatuated with his hot wife, that he convinced her to take her last name, and that they perpetuate their love to the masses IS NOT A CHARACTER!?
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Post by PJ on Dec 20, 2017 5:52:48 GMT -5
Here's the thing, if WWE saddled Nakamura, Balor, or AJ Styles with a gimmick, people online would have went ape-s**t crazy. With today's product, you have half the crowd who doesn't want anyone to have a gimmick. They want every match to be a 45 minute classic. They want Meltzer to give it seven stars. Then the other half wants the glory days of 80's wrestling. They want everyone to have a side profession. Imagine Dean Ambrose as an angel sent to Earth to eradicate the evil forces of Samoa Joe's cannibal blood cult.It wouldn't work. WWE tries gimmicks. But like Brian said, everyone wants to be bad-ass versions of themselves. Well unfortunately, that's what most fans wanna see. Cartoony or unrealistic characters just don't work anymore. And today's fans crap all over them. Look at Adam Rose. Bayley. No Way Jose. The Ascension. The Vaudevillians. All have gimmicks that fell flat. That being said, I do feel WWE needs to flush out everyone's characters more. Why does Balor paint his face? Why are the Good Brothers in WWE? Why is Samoa Joe so damn angry? Why is Bobby Roode constantly saying Glorious? Explain who they are, explain their motives, and people will will become invested. Give fans more of a reason to care. Now I want to see that! It is brilliant! You didn't just make that up...you clearly were thinking about it for years! But that would totally rock. Especially if Ambrose comes out in a white robe with wings, a Halo and a harp. And of course Sama Joe will need a bone in his nose or I won't believe it!
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Post by vampiroporvida on Dec 20, 2017 8:55:43 GMT -5
Isn't the problem for characters more that unless the roster is more populated (majority) with characters ala 80s/90s WWF, or Chikara, the "universes" just don't seem believable, thus don't mesh? We all can believe a Superman Vs Batman, but don't put it in the midst of more human fights on the same scale.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 20, 2017 11:41:19 GMT -5
People need to realise that gimmicks and characters are different. No one wants the roster full of pirates, boogeymen and magicians. We want strong stand alone characters that us the fans can invest in. Look at Austin and Rock. Their characters were so strong it made them instant legends and huge draws for the company. They were two normal guys that couldn't have been more different and that was because of character development. The current roster is the greatest in years but they still need the part timers to sell the big PPV's, now ask yourselves why is that? We have a roster full of talented guys but the booking and scripts don't do them any favours and as a result no one cares. Another issue with todays wrestlers is their names. Everyone has a first and second name that your best friend or neighbour could be called. Whatever happened to wrestlers using their nicknames as ring names? A lot of the names NXT/WWE has come up with recently look like they ripped up a copy of Entertainment Weekly and picked 2 pieces off the floor. One of the worst was when they gave Evan Bourne his name just so they can call his Shooting Star Press "Airborne", which wouldve been a better wrestling name. Bourne himself has said many times he came up with that name himself...
Can't blame that one on WWE.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Dec 20, 2017 11:49:36 GMT -5
More people used to watch wrestling than currently watch wrestling.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Dec 20, 2017 12:34:49 GMT -5
People need to realise that gimmicks and characters are different. No one wants the roster full of pirates, boogeymen and magicians. We want strong stand alone characters that us the fans can invest in. Look at Austin and Rock. Their characters were so strong it made them instant legends and huge draws for the company. They were two normal guys that couldn't have been more different and that was because of character development. The current roster is the greatest in years but they still need the part timers to sell the big PPV's, now ask yourselves why is that? We have a roster full of talented guys but the booking and scripts don't do them any favours and as a result no one cares. Another issue with todays wrestlers is their names. Everyone has a first and second name that your best friend or neighbour could be called. Whatever happened to wrestlers using their nicknames as ring names? This is a dumb point. John Cena, Randy Orton, Steve Austin, Jake Roberts, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Eddie Guerrero, Ric Flair, Randy Savage, Brock Lesnar, even Hulk Hogan. Whether the name is a mononymous or not means nothing. But that wasn't just those guys names though. They had nicknames joined with their actual names like Stone Cold Steve Austin, Bret Hitman Hart, Macho Man Randy Savage, The Nature Boy Ric Flair. In wrestling I like a mixture and I believe that a wrestlers name plays a part in their character.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 13:38:40 GMT -5
More wrestlers today care more about putting on 5 star matches than becoming characters that draw money. John Cena can do both hence why he is the biggest star. Back in the 80s there was a plethora of characters that drew money and that's why there were A, B, and C house shows. Now a lot of the wrestlers are guys who put on awesome matches and I like that and you guys like that, but the masses want more entertaining characters. Sadly with today's 50/50 booking and scripted promos, it's hard. New Day are considered characters right? They sell a lot of merchandise and their promos are usually good. Also they appeal to the masses and are not geared toward the smarks(though they like them too).
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Post by BØRNS on Dec 21, 2017 23:53:27 GMT -5
I don't need need any characters in my lyfe. I nhave biygyt ßtufd to deal worth in the rwald works.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 25, 2017 9:13:21 GMT -5
Here's the thing, if WWE saddled Nakamura, Balor, or AJ Styles with a gimmick, people online would have went ape-s**t crazy. With today's product, you have half the crowd who doesn't want anyone to have a gimmick. They want every match to be a 45 minute classic. They want Meltzer to give it seven stars. Then the other half wants the glory days of 80's wrestling. They want everyone to have a side profession. Imagine Dean Ambrose as an angel sent to Earth to eradicate the evil forces of Samoa Joe's cannibal blood cult. It wouldn't work. WWE tries gimmicks. But like Brian said, everyone wants to be bad-ass versions of themselves. Well unfortunately, that's what most fans wanna see. Cartoony or unrealistic characters just don't work anymore. And today's fans crap all over them. Look at Adam Rose. Bayley. No Way Jose. The Ascension. The Vaudevillians. All have gimmicks that fell flat. That being said, I do feel WWE needs to flush out everyone's characters more. Why does Balor paint his face? Why are the Good Brothers in WWE? Why is Samoa Joe so damn angry? Why is Bobby Roode constantly saying Glorious? Explain who they are, explain their motives, and people will will become invested. Give fans more of a reason to care. This is pretty much the perfect response.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 10:22:50 GMT -5
Lots of positivity and bitterness in this thread this ain’t the 80s lol. All these guys who can wrestle are better than stupid gimmicks from the 80s. Plus they already probably had a gimmick in the indies but wwe needs them so they hired them on for the wrestling because nobody gives a about gimmicks if you do you probably have a psychological problem towards super heroes.
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Post by Funk The Revival on Dec 25, 2017 10:50:34 GMT -5
Wish AJ came out as a trucker or flipped people off and drunk beer so I could invest in him!
Wrestling isn't going back to the way it was, for better and for worse. There are things wrong with the current product but just as much as there was in any era, let it go
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 25, 2017 11:17:34 GMT -5
They just do characters differently now. When AJ was feuding with Jericho he kept referring to himself as a pitbull or a bulldog. Like he was this small animal with a big bite. Roman Reigns is the big dog. He’s the captain of the football team and the ring is his field.
Yes, these are stupid ideas but it’s a way for Vince to translate modern stars into a gimmick that is more suited for current times. It’s all just a variation of Stone Cold, Rock and Cena. All guys who got over as themselves.
The name argument is stupid. Dolph Ziggler got himself over to a World Title. So let’s not pretend a name is going to stop a guy. The issue is guys not being able to differentiate themselves away from the TV script and creative ideas still funneling through Vince. Guy is 70 years old. All there really is to it imo. I do think over saturation of the product is still a massive issue, too.
I think modern WWE is like the NWA/WCW where it’s more of a sport now than theatrical, at least in the way of clowns and garbage men. We’re past that point. All of wrestling is like that now. A guy with a robe and good theme music is enough in 2017. Now if only they could get a grip on that whole 50/50 booking stuff...
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Post by Planktung on Dec 25, 2017 17:03:11 GMT -5
I'm not watching the video because I'm assuming it's this.
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