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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 22, 2018 16:27:07 GMT -5
Honestly, he was thrust into a position he wasn't capable of performing in, and that sucks, but... there's no way it was more "crap" than the Bray Wyatt/Randy Orton feud.
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Post by enigmafigs on Jan 22, 2018 17:28:01 GMT -5
I find it funny that the Don't Hinder Jinder crowd turned on Jinder last year. Typical WFigs. Getting what they want and realizing tbey didn't want it. Everyone in the 3MB finally found title sucess after the break up/releases. Who even wanted a Jinder title reign? What are you on? Haha By the way, I was never part of the 'don't hinder Jinder' stuff, never liked him. Average at everything apart from physique and then going from jobbing to Sami Zayn & Finn Balor on Raw to World Champ in like 3 weeks just damaged SmackDown & the World title. His heel heat was more 'go away heat' than anything else really. A real heel would be Tommaso Ciampa (shame he got injured) because his breakup from DIY was brilliantly done.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 22, 2018 18:27:11 GMT -5
I find it funny that the Don't Hinder Jinder crowd turned on Jinder last year. Typical WFigs. Getting what they want and realizing tbey didn't want it. Everyone in the 3MB finally found title sucess after the break up/releases. Who even wanted a Jinder title reign? What are you on? Haha By the way, I was never part of the 'don't hinder Jinder' stuff, never liked him. Average at everything apart from physique and then going from jobbing to Sami Zayn & Finn Balor on Raw to World Champ in like 3 weeks just damaged SmackDown & the World title. His heel heat was more 'go away heat' than anything else really. A real heel would be Tommaso Ciampa (shame he got injured) because his breakup from DIY was brilliantly done. WWE made a choice to be unpredictable with Magal. WWE has been nothing less than predictable the past few years. They took and chance and it worked. We got aome great matches out of a great wrestler. Because he wrestled a classic style and was a classic foreigner heel. I thought it was brilliant and nostalgic all at once. But god for id anyone here can be a fan of anyone outside of a Indy turned WWE wrestler. Yes, Champa's turn was good. But he is far from a great heel. He is a tweener at best. Because he will always have fans making plenty of noise for him. Mahal made you hate him. He made you hate that he was champion. That was the enjoyable part. Step away from opinions and just watch it with those same new fan eyes as a kid, and you'll see the magic Mahal created.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jan 22, 2018 18:31:10 GMT -5
Who even wanted a Jinder title reign? What are you on? Haha By the way, I was never part of the 'don't hinder Jinder' stuff, never liked him. Average at everything apart from physique and then going from jobbing to Sami Zayn & Finn Balor on Raw to World Champ in like 3 weeks just damaged SmackDown & the World title. His heel heat was more 'go away heat' than anything else really. A real heel would be Tommaso Ciampa (shame he got injured) because his breakup from DIY was brilliantly done. WWE made a choice to be unpredictable with Magal. WWE has been nothing less than predictable the past few years. They took and chance and it worked. We got aome great matches out of a great wrestler. Because he wrestled a classic style and was a classic foreigner heel. I thought it was brilliant and nostalgic all at once. But god for id anyone here can be a fan of anyone outside of a Indy turned WWE wrestler. Yes, Champa's turn was good. But he is far from a great heel. He is a tweener at best. Because he will always have fans making plenty of noise for him. Mahal made you hate him. He made you hate that he was champion. That was the enjoyable part. Step away from opinions and just watch it with those same new fan eyes as a kid, and you'll see the magic Mahal created. He didn’t make you hate him as champion. What the hell are you on? Pepe hates him because he WAS champion when he shouldn’t have been and shouldn’t have been any remotely near that title.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 22, 2018 18:36:09 GMT -5
WWE made a choice to be unpredictable with Magal. WWE has been nothing less than predictable the past few years. They took and chance and it worked. We got aome great matches out of a great wrestler. Because he wrestled a classic style and was a classic foreigner heel. I thought it was brilliant and nostalgic all at once. But god for id anyone here can be a fan of anyone outside of a Indy turned WWE wrestler. Yes, Champa's turn was good. But he is far from a great heel. He is a tweener at best. Because he will always have fans making plenty of noise for him. Mahal made you hate him. He made you hate that he was champion. That was the enjoyable part. Step away from opinions and just watch it with those same new fan eyes as a kid, and you'll see the magic Mahal created. He didn’t make you hate him as champion. What the hell are you on? Pepe hates him because he WAS champion when he shouldn’t have been and shouldn’t have been any remotely near that title. You guys are beating a dead horse here. I enjoyed it. Clearly others didn't it. That's what makes wrestling and many other things enjoyable, different outlooks. I saw this as magic, you saw it as dog crap.
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Post by SodaGuy on Jan 22, 2018 18:40:09 GMT -5
That's former WWE World Heavyweight Champion and Award Winning Modern Day Maharajah Jinder Mahal.
PUT SOME RESPEK ON HIS NAME.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jan 22, 2018 21:17:26 GMT -5
The fact that something like this happens just shows that no one gave him a chance and wrote him off as a joke from the start of his reign. Watch a Jinder Mahal match from Raw 2016. Then watch the #1 contender's match. Then watch Backlash with Orton. Clear improvement at a rate we've never seen before. Think about this: he was better than AJ Styles and Kevin Owens in the summer of 2017. Busted his ass, went from working squashes to main events with no sweat, and had good matches for 6+ months straight. But your newsletter says that his lack of a PWG win-loss record discredits him. haha no. Styles and Owens outclass Jinder in every way possible. AJ Styles literally forgot to kick out on pay-per-view.
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Post by IRS on Jan 22, 2018 21:28:15 GMT -5
haha no. Styles and Owens outclass Jinder in every way possible. AJ Styles literally forgot to kick out on pay-per-view. AJ Styles dragged Jinder to the best match he'll likely have in his career.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jan 22, 2018 21:41:03 GMT -5
haha no. Styles and Owens outclass Jinder in every way possible. AJ Styles literally forgot to kick out on pay-per-view. And? it was one mistake. Styles still outclasses Jinder.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jan 22, 2018 21:48:38 GMT -5
AJ Styles literally forgot to kick out on pay-per-view. AJ Styles dragged Jinder to the best match he'll likely have in his career. AJ Styles can't drag anyone to a good match on his own. It takes two to tango. See: vs. Kevin Owens, vs. Toru Yano, vs. Yocrapatsu, vs. Bobby Roode, etc. Again, go back and watch AJ vs. Jinder from May, then their matches in the winter. COMPLETELY different wrestler, and it's not because of AJ. There have been far worse people holding that title for far longer, and what Jinder did with it was more than fine. It goes back, as I keep saying, to people not having an open mind and writing him off immediately. For someone who went from nothing to champion in six weeks, he was built incredibly well and felt just as legitimate as anyone he worked. I know I'm not going to change minds with any of this, but I have more than enough merit in what I'm saying.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 23, 2018 1:08:30 GMT -5
AJ Styles literally forgot to kick out on pay-per-view. And? it was one mistake. Styles still outclasses Jinder. One of AJ Styles' only good singles matches on PPV in 2017 was against Jinder Mahal. His series against Kevin Owens sucked. His match with Brock was overrated to hell. Styles had his worst year since 2013 and has no legitimate claim of being the year's best overall performer like many will try to spin. Jinder had multiple good matches with Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura, two of the laziest people on the roster. He carried himself like a true champion and turned what could have easily been a throwaway reign into one of the most memorable of the past few years.
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Post by enigmafigs on Jan 23, 2018 2:59:51 GMT -5
Who even wanted a Jinder title reign? What are you on? Haha By the way, I was never part of the 'don't hinder Jinder' stuff, never liked him. Average at everything apart from physique and then going from jobbing to Sami Zayn & Finn Balor on Raw to World Champ in like 3 weeks just damaged SmackDown & the World title. His heel heat was more 'go away heat' than anything else really. A real heel would be Tommaso Ciampa (shame he got injured) because his breakup from DIY was brilliantly done. WWE made a choice to be unpredictable with Magal. WWE has been nothing less than predictable the past few years. They took and chance and it worked. We got aome great matches out of a great wrestler. Because he wrestled a classic style and was a classic foreigner heel. I thought it was brilliant and nostalgic all at once. But god for id anyone here can be a fan of anyone outside of a Indy turned WWE wrestler. Yes, Champa's turn was good. But he is far from a great heel. He is a tweener at best. Because he will always have fans making plenty of noise for him. Mahal made you hate him. He made you hate that he was champion. That was the enjoyable part. Step away from opinions and just watch it with those same new fan eyes as a kid, and you'll see the magic Mahal created. I disagree, again. As a fan, I wasn't invested in Mahal's storylines or matches- because they were boring; It wasn't because of his heel work that I disliked him, it was because I just wasn't interested in what he was doing and even in the eyes of a new fan, I doubt that would find it any better. Ciampa's turn was perfect, but does it matter if people still like him? I want to see him come back from injury to fight Gargano- i'm interested in their feud. It doesn't matter if I hate a character, I should be invested in a character, because that's all that actually matters- that's what gets WWE views. As heels, I was invested in Neville, Miz, Ciampa & Owens & Zayn, can't say that about Mahal
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jan 23, 2018 7:32:11 GMT -5
AJ Styles literally forgot to kick out on pay-per-view. And? it was one mistake. Styles still outclasses Jinder. Might just be me, but I don't think causing an unplanned title change on a televised Network event in front of a major market crowd is just one mistake to be shoved off.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jan 23, 2018 8:01:00 GMT -5
And? it was one mistake. Styles still outclasses Jinder. One of AJ Styles' only good singles matches on PPV in 2017 was against Jinder Mahal. His series against Kevin Owens sucked. His match with Brock was overrated to hell. Styles had his worst year since 2013 and has no legitimate claim of being the year's best overall performer like many will try to spin. Jinder had multiple good matches with Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura, two of the laziest people on the roster. He carried himself like a true champion and turned what could have easily been a throwaway reign into one of the most memorable of the past few years. Delusion is not a good look on you Jinder fans. Styles has had plenty of really good matches.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Jan 23, 2018 11:22:54 GMT -5
In a world where Jason f’n Jordan is somehow the bastard son of Kurt Angle, I find it extremely difficult to classify the Jinder Mahal project in the same light as the Gooker award. Was he deserving so quickly? Absolutely not, he should have been built up a good deal before they pulled the trigger BUT he was able to hold his own in regards to the rest of the main eventers once he gained a little traction. If he automatically goes back to being a perineal jobber again this will certainly be a deserved award, but it’s still too soon to tell that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 11:37:50 GMT -5
And? it was one mistake. Styles still outclasses Jinder. One of AJ Styles' only good singles matches on PPV in 2017 was against Jinder Mahal. His series against Kevin Owens sucked. His match with Brock was overrated to hell. Styles had his worst year since 2013 and has no legitimate claim of being the year's best overall performer like many will try to spin. 2013 was one of his AJ's best years because it got him his current persona. He became more popular than ever before in 2013. The series with Owens wasn't great, they don't mesh. (Frankly I believe that KO, like Austin Aries, is only a really good worker as a babyface.) However their matches had their moments and special nuances. AJ getting his foot caught in the announcers' table's cables, for example, was a novel way to get counted out. Now, 2016 was probably more fun as an AJ fan, but AJ's 2017 closed out extremely well. He had his series against Jinder, and surprise matches with Finn and Brock. Those were huge, uplifting surprises. AJ's final two months of 2017 were better than any other WWE wrestler's entire 2017.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 23, 2018 18:33:29 GMT -5
One of AJ Styles' only good singles matches on PPV in 2017 was against Jinder Mahal. His series against Kevin Owens sucked. His match with Brock was overrated to hell. Styles had his worst year since 2013 and has no legitimate claim of being the year's best overall performer like many will try to spin. Jinder had multiple good matches with Randy Orton and Shinsuke Nakamura, two of the laziest people on the roster. He carried himself like a true champion and turned what could have easily been a throwaway reign into one of the most memorable of the past few years. Delusion is not a good look on you Jinder fans. Styles has had plenty of really good matches. Delusion is not a good look on you either. AJ Styles had three good matches on pay-per-view this year, and one of those was with Jinder. He spent the rest of the year having overhyped and overrated matches on the midcard. Jinder Mahal had five good matches on pay-per-view this year, worked his tail off to overcome a release and post-release battles with alcoholism to turn himself into a brand new main event-level star, contributed to possibly the most shocking moment of the last five years for WWE, and also had to carry Shinsuke because Shinsuke's been phoning everything in since Takeover: Dallas. All hail the Modern Day Maharaja, have a blessed day my child.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jan 23, 2018 18:43:35 GMT -5
Delusion is not a good look on you Jinder fans. Styles has had plenty of really good matches. Delusion is not a good look on you either. AJ Styles had three good matches on pay-per-view this year, and one of those was with Jinder. He spent the rest of the year having overhyped and overrated matches on the midcard. Jinder Mahal had five good matches on pay-per-view this year, worked his tail off to overcome a release and post-release battles with alcoholism to turn himself into a brand new main event-level star, contributed to possibly the most shocking moment of the last five years for WWE, and also had to carry Shinsuke because Shinsuke's been phoning everything in since Takeover: Dallas. All hail the Modern Day Maharaja, have a blessed day my child. I can name a hell of a lot more great matches for AJ. AJ even carried Jinder.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Jan 23, 2018 18:48:05 GMT -5
Delusion is not a good look on you either. AJ Styles had three good matches on pay-per-view this year, and one of those was with Jinder. He spent the rest of the year having overhyped and overrated matches on the midcard. Jinder Mahal had five good matches on pay-per-view this year, worked his tail off to overcome a release and post-release battles with alcoholism to turn himself into a brand new main event-level star, contributed to possibly the most shocking moment of the last five years for WWE, and also had to carry Shinsuke because Shinsuke's been phoning everything in since Takeover: Dallas. All hail the Modern Day Maharaja, have a blessed day my child. I can name a hell of a lot more great matches for AJ. AJ even carried Jinder. In 2017 or just in general? 'Cause in 2017, the only AJ matches that impressed me were AJ/Cena at the Rumble, AJ/Shane at Mania, and the aforementioned AJ/Jinder. AJ/Brock and all three AJ/Owens matches had the potential to be great, but you can blame Brock not giving a damn for the first and AJ and Owens having zero chemistry for the latter. In all seriousness, is AJ more talented? Absolutely. But that said, I wouldn't really say that AJ carried Jinder though, as much as it was Jinder proving that he could hang with a wrestler of AJ's talents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 7:49:30 GMT -5
I can name a hell of a lot more great matches for AJ. 'Cause in 2017, the only AJ matches that impressed me were AJ/Cena at the Rumble, AJ/Shane at Mania, and the aforementioned AJ/Jinder. How about AJ-Finn as the surprise TLC PPV replacement match, AJ-Chad Gable on SDL in July, the triple-threat with KO and Jericho in July, or the Baron Corbin October rematch loss on SDL? And how about some bonus points for the awesome diving ankle tackle takedown of the one Singh brother during the Manchester world title change match! Plus, a fractional point markup for the ultra-violent car windshield attack on Shane O, and one for “ Beast-Master? Do you realize how stupid you sound?”
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