jfear
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Post by jfear on Apr 11, 2018 8:22:06 GMT -5
I've seen a lot of talk on various posts about scalper prices and people making money off the selling of figures however they go about it. I hate and don't agree with scalper prices on currently released figures (to me I'd say figures released with in the last year to six months) but how do you feel about figures that are past that and beyond such as the Elite Diesel/Nash figures and exclusives. To me I'd love to get the Strait Edge Society Punk, I have no idea why I didn't get it. I think $200 and up for it is to much but I wouldn't have a problem paying $50-75 MOC for one. For me it's worth it to either get the figs through ringside or pay a little more for figs on Ebay as I'm not even within a 100 miles of a Target or any good store to get figs and my Walmart is unreliable. Factoring in the drive and no guarantee I will get what I want I'm better off paying a little more.
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Apr 11, 2018 8:32:54 GMT -5
as long as people are willing to pay "scalper" prices, that part of the market will always exist. I blame the buyers just as much as the sellers in this case. an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay. so its really on the buyers that jack up the secondary market. the seller is just providing the item.
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popyduggan
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Post by popyduggan on Apr 11, 2018 11:48:46 GMT -5
It's kind of gray, some of those resellers scour the site for misspelled listings and people who "don't know" what they're selling(they aren't greedy like they are) and they lowball them just to turn around and resell the items and the prices stay inflated. You can correlate this through feedback, for instance one seller sold a basic AJ and a shiny world title to a (5k+)seller for less than $10 shipped through best offer, then they list the fig and belt for $17 each, so they get a good deal and you get to pay more.
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Post by stc13 on Apr 11, 2018 12:23:13 GMT -5
It all depends on the market. If a figure is consistently selling for X at auction, then your choices are to either pony up or live without the figure and watch to see if the price comes down into the range you're willing to pay. The thing that annoys me are the people who list figures at astronomical prices and then people say "look, that's a $200 figure" when in reality the figure sells for $75.
Personally? I have little interest in paying above retail. Odds are if you're patient and looking hard enough, you'll find what you want eventually. I have been trying to find a E41 Balor for a couple months now. Auctions for both sealed and loose were going higher than I was willing to pay, and then the figure popped up in stock at RSC during the WM sale for retail. Same thing happened to me with Doink. I've been looking for the figure for over a year, but either couldn't find it complete loose or it was selling for more than I cared to pay. A local vintage toy store bought a collection and I was able to get a MIB copy for $20.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 11, 2018 12:46:12 GMT -5
I wouldn’t consider SES Punk scalper pricing. It’s not like scalpers bought up all the inventory and jacked up the prices. That figure was available for an ample amount of time on RSC and everyone had an opportunity to get it. Now that it’s no longer available its value has appreciated. If someone is trying to sell it today at a 200-300% markup, then it’s because they’re trying to get market value for it. They would be dumb to sell it for retail. If you had a copy of Amazing Fantasy #15 in your possession, would you sell it for $.12? If you owned a copy of Little Samson for the NES would you part ways with it for $50? My guess is no. I don’t understand why action figures, and more specifically wrestling figures are any different and why people expect collectors to sell their figures for less than what they’re valued at.
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Post by goalie33 on Apr 11, 2018 14:15:47 GMT -5
I would like a 1959 Les Paul for $300.
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Post by dynamitekido on Apr 11, 2018 15:59:35 GMT -5
In collecting different things over the years, I’ve learned an important lesson about collecting. The fun isn’t just getting what you want, it’s getting it for the price you are comfortable paying. So basically I won’t spend insane prices to get something I need. I’ve realized the amount of money it would take for me to get everything I want and it’s simply not worth it to me.
Count me in as someone who hates scalpers but it’s the buyers fault as they basically set the market.
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Post by jsmells on Apr 11, 2018 19:11:44 GMT -5
If your'e a collector, I say, be cool. Don't buy to flip. At least hook your buds up for cost first if you grab all the new hot thing that will likely shelf warm in 3 months. My real complaint are to some buyers. Be patient. That stuff won't be TOO tough to get. At least ask on the classifieds here first damn! Overseas folks, I get it though, sometimes you do what you've gotta do.
As far as older things, yeah, whatever, things appreciate in value based on market demand. Cool. No big deal. I'll usually wait and be patient though. Some similar version will eventually get made, so I don't care. But if someone's OCD and needs every exact version? Cool.
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Papi Joker
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Post by Papi Joker on Apr 11, 2018 19:39:02 GMT -5
good things come to those who wait!!!
then again if you got the money, and you really want it... then go for it!!!
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Post by PJ on Apr 11, 2018 20:47:29 GMT -5
People selling off their collection I have no problem with them asking whatever they want for. They aren’t scalpers. But someone going to a store and buying all the new hot figures just to sell them for a profit they are scalpers and I can’t stand them.
Case in point the WM Orton I got mine out of the WalMart WrestleMania display last week. Between 3 stores there was a good 30-35 Orton figures to choose from...not even 4 days later I had gone back to all 3 stores and the only figures gone from the displays were the Orton. The other three in the set and all the BP’s were all still in high supply. But not a single Orton. Why because he is the one on eBay or Amazon third party sellers for double + the retail cost.
I will never feed a scalper. And honestly I wouldn’t buy anything on the secondary market for over retail cost and shipping. My rule is simple if I didn’t want it enough to preorder and I can’t find it locally then I don’t need it. But I have never not found anything I wanted at least twice locally.
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Post by randyrock on Apr 12, 2018 3:55:25 GMT -5
But someone going to a store and buying all the new hot figures just to sell them for a profit they are scalpers and I can’t stand them. There’s one who lives near me. I’ve seen him attack stores with urgency and relentlessness and when he gets what he wants, he bends the cards on the other figures. I watch his eBay page to see what figures have hit my area and I go on my own search. I bought my last figure (Piper) at retail cost instead of his $35 asking price. |
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Post by 666erickana on Apr 12, 2018 4:19:54 GMT -5
Here in canada, some series are never released, or at bery low quantities. So sometimes they send us the figs thatnare shelf warmers in the usa. So its not easy to get new figure, youmhave to wait and sometimes for nothing, and it costed at lot on gasoline, then paying $15 more to get the figure by the web, its just good.
And when a figure isn exclusive to canada, like the shark, some scalpersmout of the border came tombuy everything.
The only thing i find stupid are the prices of some old fig on amazon, somemare ridiculous, they will never sell at that price. Amzon or ebay should charge a higher price, so seller will try to sell it faster. When you see a brodus clay for 200, or tito a selfwarmer at $100, its just not logic.
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Post by mcfclee on Apr 12, 2018 4:50:02 GMT -5
Some proper high horses in this thread. Some of us never see the figures and have the choice of buy it at whatever its going for it miss out. Go a year or two wogh none of the figures you want at retail stores in your country then tell me what not to buy.
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Post by Haze on Apr 12, 2018 8:21:23 GMT -5
I honestly don’t see a problem with it. It makes the hobby interesting and keeps you wanting that “Golden” figure to complete your collection even tho it’s never actually complete. Can only blame yourself if you missed out on a figure at a decent price they were all $20-30 at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 8:57:50 GMT -5
If you find it at the store, great. Buy it. If you don't find it at the store, and if it's worth it to you, you have to ask yourself if it's worth the premium. Something is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.
Admittedly, I used to scalp, and used to be of the opinion, if I got here before you, it's rightfully mine to buy, and flip. I would try and often leave at least one, and not wipe them out completely.
My opinion has changed over the years, I don't scalp, and I don't necessarily even approve of it anymore. I got more important things to do than standing outside a store before opening with two guys with their moms waiting in the car.
What happens is a lot of guys get in over their heads like I did, and was buying faster than I could sell them. Before you know it, you have a couple grand in credit card debt and an inventory just sitting there.
I barely make it out to brick and mortar these days unless it's a store exclusive. Like Ciampa and Gargano alluded me until recently.
If you are going to scalp, don't be a jag. Charge a fair premium. I would price Classic Superstars below or right at the lowest same item on the bay.
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