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Post by The Maestro on Jun 15, 2007 17:03:51 GMT -5
Has anyone else been watching this? It's really a joke right now. Chris Russo (Mad Dog) was right the other day. He said that the USGA was going to make the course the star of the weekend, not the players. Making that a par 70 is lunacy. The USGA is just flexing its muscles, showing how they can bring even the great Tiger to his knees. Nobody wants to see a +11 make the cut, which is what I'm looking at it being as of this moment. I'm just really disappointed that barring rain or a heavy watering, that a +8 is going to win this tournament. Any thoughts from the handful of golf fans on here?
Please, if you don't like golf, no need to make disrespectful comments. I like wrestling, football, baseball, golf... I'm weird, I know.
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 16, 2007 0:27:35 GMT -5
Whoever hosts the US open every year tries to do this. Since Tiger blew away the scores (I think it was in 2000 or 2002) by like 13 strokes, they dont want to see a repeat of that. I've played in some heavy roughs before & these are about 3 times worse. I dont have a problem with high scores winning the open, my problem is with the USGA trying to put themselves in a higher light than the golfers
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Post by The Maestro on Jun 16, 2007 0:45:54 GMT -5
Whoever hosts the US open every year tries to do this. Since Tiger blew away the scores (I think it was in 2000 or 2002) by like 13 strokes, they dont want to see a repeat of that. I've played in some heavy roughs before & these are about 3 times worse. I dont have a problem with high scores winning the open, my problem is with the USGA trying to put themselves in a higher light than the golfers Exactly... Paul Casey's round today was like a 56 on a normal course... record breaking... |
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Post by cmm on Jun 16, 2007 21:05:04 GMT -5
lol are you new to the game of golf? The USGA Tiger proofs the course so he can win. Did you watch him today? He shoots 60 today if he was able to will putts into the hole like he did in 2000. Sorry, that 15 foot putts dont come like tap-ins to him like they did in 2000 and 2001 but he can still destroy this course. 17-18 greens in regulation today but he just couldn't make a putt. I'll be there tomorrow for the final round with trophy club tickets watching baddely fall apart 5 holes into and tiger taking it home
You have also failed to realize that every US Open course beats the players. Tiger isn't a player, he's a god. -12 at Pebble, second place was +3. Tiger was also under par at Bethpage and no one else was.
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Post by The Maestro on Jun 16, 2007 21:20:13 GMT -5
lol are you new to the game of golf? The USGA Tiger proofs the course so he can win. Did you watch him today? He shoots 60 today if he was able to will putts into the hole like he did in 2000. Sorry, that 15 foot putts dont come like tap-ins to him like they did in 2000 and 2001 but he can still destroy this course. 17-18 greens in regulation today but he just couldn't make a putt. I'll be there tomorrow for the final round with trophy club tickets watching baddely fall apart 5 holes into and tiger taking it home You have also failed to realize that every US Open course beats the players. Tiger isn't a player, he's a god. -12 at Pebble, second place was +3. Tiger was also under par at Bethpage and no one else was. Are you new to golf? If you are not, you would know that the term "Tiger Proof" means to make the course harder for Tiger. You almost defeated your own logic. He hit 17 of 18 GIR, yet STILL only finished at -1. If he had had a normal day of GIR, he probably would have shot +4. To "Proof" something means to make it resistant (Tamper Proof bottles are an example). I do agree with you that Baddeley will fall apart tomorrow, and Tiger will most likely win. Watch out for Furyk though. I do realize that the US Open is typically tough, but this is unrelenting, and as cruel as I've seen a course play. You are fitting the data to match your hypothesis. Let's keep it friendly. I'm not a golf "expert," like I am say about baseball, but I watch a lot of it. I'm 26 and I have a lot to learn about the game. You don't list your age, so I'll assume you're 50 and have learned all there is to know. |
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Post by cmm on Jun 16, 2007 21:26:34 GMT -5
lol are you new to the game of golf? The USGA Tiger proofs the course so he can win. Did you watch him today? He shoots 60 today if he was able to will putts into the hole like he did in 2000. Sorry, that 15 foot putts dont come like tap-ins to him like they did in 2000 and 2001 but he can still destroy this course. 17-18 greens in regulation today but he just couldn't make a putt. I'll be there tomorrow for the final round with trophy club tickets watching baddely fall apart 5 holes into and tiger taking it home You have also failed to realize that every US Open course beats the players. Tiger isn't a player, he's a god. -12 at Pebble, second place was +3. Tiger was also under par at Bethpage and no one else was. Are you new to golf? If you are not, you would know that the term "Tiger Proof" means to make the course harder for Tiger. You almost defeated your own logic. He hit 17 of 18 GIR, yet STILL only finished at -1. If he had had a normal day of GIR, he probably would have shot +4. To "Proof" something means to make it resistant (Tamper Proof bottles are an example). I do agree with you that Baddeley will fall apart tomorrow, and Tiger will most likely win. Watch out for Furyk though. I do realize that the US Open is typically tough, but this is unrelenting, and as cruel as I've seen a course play. You are fitting the data to match your hypothesis. Let's keep it friendly. I'm not a golf "expert," like I am say about baseball, but I watch a lot of it. I'm 26 and I have a lot to learn about the game. You don't list your age, so I'll assume you're 50 and have learned all there is to know. Tiger Proof in the world of golf means the course is harder for everyone else. It's like this, they try to make it harder for Tiger but in reality it just kills the rest of the competition more because they aren't strong enough physically and mentally to hit the ball out of the rough, to make par putts from 10 feet and in all day and so on I am a 4 handicap and I would probably not even break 100 on this course. It's really tough but it's completely fair and it's fun to watch the course make a mockery out of some of the pros. It gives them a reality check. Tiger hasn't been brought to his knees by this course in any means. He loves it and he loves the challenge. |
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Post by The Maestro on Jun 16, 2007 23:46:43 GMT -5
Are you new to golf? If you are not, you would know that the term "Tiger Proof" means to make the course harder for Tiger. You almost defeated your own logic. He hit 17 of 18 GIR, yet STILL only finished at -1. If he had had a normal day of GIR, he probably would have shot +4. To "Proof" something means to make it resistant (Tamper Proof bottles are an example). I do agree with you that Baddeley will fall apart tomorrow, and Tiger will most likely win. Watch out for Furyk though. I do realize that the US Open is typically tough, but this is unrelenting, and as cruel as I've seen a course play. You are fitting the data to match your hypothesis. Let's keep it friendly. I'm not a golf "expert," like I am say about baseball, but I watch a lot of it. I'm 26 and I have a lot to learn about the game. You don't list your age, so I'll assume you're 50 and have learned all there is to know. Tiger Proof in the world of golf means the course is harder for everyone else. It's like this, they try to make it harder for Tiger but in reality it just kills the rest of the competition more because they aren't strong enough physically and mentally to hit the ball out of the rough, to make par putts from 10 feet and in all day and so on I am a 4 handicap and I would probably not even break 100 on this course. It's really tough but it's completely fair and it's fun to watch the course make a mockery out of some of the pros. It gives them a reality check. Tiger hasn't been brought to his knees by this course in any means. He loves it and he loves the challenge. Tiger Proofing does mean to catch the field up to Tiger... making it harder for him and easier for the field. In the past, making shorter yardages to nullify his long driving, and letting the great iron players try to beat him. Or, ridiculously in my opinion, making them longer, which makes it more shots for him, but also takes more of the field actually out of the equation! I also am riveted by this event, but I hate the whole "mockery" scenario. If they played it as a par 71, Baddeley would be -1, and Tiger +1, which are at least a little more toward normal. Maybe the toughness of the course is fair, but come on, it's at MINIMUM a par 71. That is what I have the biggest problem with. I know Tiger loves the course and the challenge... I was exaggerating about the "bringing to his knees," but he should be 6 shots ahead of the field already, which he's not. I would not put it past him tomorrow though. No one within 5 shots scares me except Furyk tomorrow. www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/open00/fs41.htmwww.titleist.com/news/newsdetail.asp?id=10&category=technology&subcategory=&bhcp=1blogs.smh.com.au/sport/archives/2006/08/how_to_tiger_pr_1.htmlIt's a shame you're not closer to me... I could use the help from a 4 handicap! I would love so much to be good at golf, as I love the game, and watching it, but I can't even hit good tee shots.  Yet, I can go to a batting cage and hit rifles. A ball moving at me at 80 MPH, and I can't hit one motionless right in front of me... go figure. |
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Post by cmm on Jun 17, 2007 22:06:56 GMT -5
Again with the tiger proofing all it does it work to his advantage.. Take last year's British Open for example. He hit driver once in 72 holes and dominated the tournament.
As for today, I was disappointed in his inability to make putts. I followed him all day along with 40000 tiger-holics and it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life. I have some nice pics on the cell phone too haha
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Post by The Maestro on Jun 18, 2007 7:05:29 GMT -5
Again with the tiger proofing all it does it work to his advantage.. Take last year's British Open for example. He hit driver once in 72 holes and dominated the tournament. As for today, I was disappointed in his inability to make putts. I followed him all day along with 40000 tiger-holics and it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life. I have some nice pics on the cell phone too haha I could not believe that Angel Cabrera won. The guy looked about ready to crawl out of his skin, and Tiger and Furyk looked primed for a playoff. A real disappointment that a guy who will make millions off an American tournament major win can't even give a basic interview in English, and smokes on the golf course, and throws his cigarettes on the freakin' course. He's a loser, and he will join Rory Sabbatini as someone I always root against. In golf, you don't have hated players like you do in other sports generally, but I don't like those two. I was right about Furyk being scary in the last day... I was rooting so hard for him to tie that sweathog. I can't believe his play on 17... no nuts, no glory I guess. And his putt just lipped out for par, which would have probably led to a playoff. I guess we're finally on the same page about "Tiger-Proofing." In theory, it is a term which would make it TOUGHER for him to win, but yes, it hasn't worked very well. It's inconceivable that he didn't make one big putt at all. I'm not a huge Tiger fan, but I respect him, and expect him to win. And I'd much rather have Tiger win, as well as Phil, Vijay, Ernie, Goose, Scott, and Furyk win every tournament than these one-hit wonders like Beem, Micheel, Cabrera, Hamilton, Curtis, Lawrie, and Campbell. They can win the Booz Allen or whatever the hell they want, but I like the big boys winning the majors. Are you banned from bringing any cameras at all? Or did you just have your cell phone on you? Do they pat you down for security? I live 5.1 miles from Bethpage. Can't wait until it's there again. In '04, I only got to go on a practice day at Shinnecock. Here's hoping to see a real round in the near future. I know Torrey Pines in 08... do they have any plans for after that? With Winged Foot, Shinnecock, and Bethpage as 3 of the last 6, I don't know if NY will see one for a bit. |
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Post by cmm on Jun 18, 2007 10:18:20 GMT -5
Again with the tiger proofing all it does it work to his advantage.. Take last year's British Open for example. He hit driver once in 72 holes and dominated the tournament. As for today, I was disappointed in his inability to make putts. I followed him all day along with 40000 tiger-holics and it was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen in my life. I have some nice pics on the cell phone too haha I could not believe that Angel Cabrera won. The guy looked about ready to crawl out of his skin, and Tiger and Furyk looked primed for a playoff. A real disappointment that a guy who will make millions off an American tournament major win can't even give a basic interview in English, and smokes on the golf course, and throws his cigarettes on the freakin' course. He's a loser, and he will join Rory Sabbatini as someone I always root against. In golf, you don't have hated players like you do in other sports generally, but I don't like those two. I was right about Furyk being scary in the last day... I was rooting so hard for him to tie that sweathog. I can't believe his play on 17... no nuts, no glory I guess. And his putt just lipped out for par, which would have probably led to a playoff. I guess we're finally on the same page about "Tiger-Proofing." In theory, it is a term which would make it TOUGHER for him to win, but yes, it hasn't worked very well. It's inconceivable that he didn't make one big putt at all. I'm not a huge Tiger fan, but I respect him, and expect him to win. And I'd much rather have Tiger win, as well as Phil, Vijay, Ernie, Goose, Scott, and Furyk win every tournament than these one-hit wonders like Beem, Micheel, Cabrera, Hamilton, Curtis, Lawrie, and Campbell. They can win the Booz Allen or whatever the hell they want, but I like the big boys winning the majors. Are you banned from bringing any cameras at all? Or did you just have your cell phone on you? Do they pat you down for security? I live 5.1 miles from Bethpage. Can't wait until it's there again. In '04, I only got to go on a practice day at Shinnecock. Here's hoping to see a real round in the near future. I know Torrey Pines in 08... do they have any plans for after that? With Winged Foot, Shinnecock, and Bethpage as 3 of the last 6, I don't know if NY will see one for a bit. Everytime I watch sportscenter, it just pisses me off more to know that I was there watching tiger choke to a guy who can't even speak english. 0-29 in majors when not having the lead, sorry but that's the second major this year he's just thrown away. The crowds were just erupting for Furyk seeing as how he is a PA boy and obviously Tiger but they just didn't do it. the us open comes to Bethpage in 2009 and you cant take anything in they ran us through metal detectors but all you have to do is shut your phone off and it will not go off. Anyways what are the prices for Bethpage, I am going to go up and play that one of these days. My dad and I have played Oakmont because he knows everybody. I'm sure they raised the prices since 02 and you probably still have to sleep in your car for a tee time haha |
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Post by The Maestro on Jun 18, 2007 11:06:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it pisses me off too that he lost to Dr. Octopus in golf attire... lol. That's great news that Bethpage Black will host the Open in '09. I promised my friend he could come down from Rochester and play it this summer. I told him I'd caddy for him.
These are the prices for the Black course from the website:
Reservation Fee $4
Weekday Fee (18 Holes) Residents:$50.00
Non-Residents: $120.00
Weekend Fee (18 Holes) Residents: $100.00
Non-Residents: $120.00
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Post by cmm on Jun 18, 2007 11:13:04 GMT -5
That's not too bad, I'd like to play it one of these days. I play everywhere from the back tees though, so it should be interesting. I've been working on my tee to green game lately, which has been hurting me. My short game is phenomenal, that's why I can keep it low because I scramble from everywhere. If there's one thing I have learned from watching Tiger over the years is imagination with your short game and how to hit several different types of shots where you need them
they almost arrested this guy yesterday, we wanted to charge behind tiger up the fairway of 18 which if we wanted to no cops were going to stop 50000 people, what wouold the cops do? shoot lol
some guy said in england they would have just went
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