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Post by taker1 on Aug 14, 2007 18:44:20 GMT -5
I like Barry Bonds but..vitamin water > Barry.
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Post by drippy on Aug 14, 2007 22:44:34 GMT -5
Because I speak the truth. Seriously, son, I sleep with Karl Ravech, so I have to know about this kind of stuff. But no one really makes a stink about Ichiro breaking George Sizzler's hits record, despite the fact that he had more chances to get it. The thing about that is, ballparks are so different now, and it's much harder for a slap hitter like Ichiro to get singles, doubles, and especially triples. Sizzler played in an era where racking up hits wasn't at all hard to do. The dimensions back then led to a lot more extra base hits, and there was a lot more ground for fielders to cover. So in a way, Ichiro's record is worthy, if not more impressive. Same with Roger Maris and that whole 61* crap. I don't know why they'd give one Yankee crap for breaking another Yankee's record. It's stupid, but that's New York for ya. Different eras. Maris was a whole different story. The controversy was because of two things: 1.) The schedule was expanded. Maris had more games to break the record in. This is a legitimate complaint. If the NHL was to shrink their schedule to 50 games or so, should records be held to the same standard as before? Of course not... scoring 20 goals in 50 games is a lot more impressive than scoring 20 goals in 82 games, just as hitting 60 home runs in 154 games is a bit more impressive than hitting 61 in 162. If Ruth had those additional 8 games, what would he have stopped at? Perhaps still 60... but it could have been 64+ 2.) Roger Maris was not well liked by baseball fans. He was kind of a quiet, surly persona. He kept to himself, and didn't bask in the glory of the record. Truth be told, no one cared if the record fell... they just wanted Mickey Mantle to do it. Ruth has a mystery and aura to him that very few athletes(past or present) have. He was a rare figure who was bigger than the game he played. That's true, but in the same vain, should any of the NHL records in today's game count? New rules, smaller padding, and all this other stuff to lead to more scoring. The game changes over time, but it's just easier to keep the records as they are. |
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Post by bjd on Aug 14, 2007 23:07:02 GMT -5
Maris was a whole different story. The controversy was because of two things: 1.) The schedule was expanded. Maris had more games to break the record in. This is a legitimate complaint. If the NHL was to shrink their schedule to 50 games or so, should records be held to the same standard as before? Of course not... scoring 20 goals in 50 games is a lot more impressive than scoring 20 goals in 82 games, just as hitting 60 home runs in 154 games is a bit more impressive than hitting 61 in 162. If Ruth had those additional 8 games, what would he have stopped at? Perhaps still 60... but it could have been 64+ 2.) Roger Maris was not well liked by baseball fans. He was kind of a quiet, surly persona. He kept to himself, and didn't bask in the glory of the record. Truth be told, no one cared if the record fell... they just wanted Mickey Mantle to do it. Ruth has a mystery and aura to him that very few athletes(past or present) have. He was a rare figure who was bigger than the game he played. That's true, but in the same vain, should any of the NHL records in today's game count? New rules, smaller padding, and all this other stuff to lead to more scoring. The game changes over time, but it's just easier to keep the records as they are. Times change in all sports. You have to take all records into context when considering them. In baseball there are lighter bats, gloves, juiced balls, smaller ballparks. With hockey you have better equipment, different rules... its hard to compare eras in any sport, because all sports have vastly changed. |
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Post by drippy on Aug 14, 2007 23:42:41 GMT -5
The thing about baseball is, while the parks are getting smaller, making it easier to hit home runs, the closeness of the walls also makes it harder to get doubles and triples. Also, the fact that there are relief specialists and closers and all that out there makes it a bit harder for hitters, because it'll be a lot easier to get a hit off a tired starter who goes complete every time than a fresh arm whose job is to get you out and call it a day.
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Post by bjd on Aug 14, 2007 23:44:51 GMT -5
Like I said, its so hard to compare eras... so many things have changed. The best thing is just to appreciate the great players past and present in the context you wish.
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Post by drippy on Aug 15, 2007 1:25:40 GMT -5
And hate Barry Bonds' gay ass for not participating in any baseball video game. I hate editing Jon Dowd. WTF.
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Post by Anaconda Vice on Aug 15, 2007 14:41:05 GMT -5
i dont think he did steroids at all . I agree with your opinion as well
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