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Post by jayrod2009 on Aug 16, 2018 13:17:39 GMT -5
Why wasn't there any outcry when Cornette and others talked about Kevin Owen's weight? Oh right, we live in a world of hypocrisy and white knights. Corny is ass backwards, he hates Kevin Owens but loves Samoa Joe. If you strip gimmicks, they are basically the same guy.
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Post by Eugene69 on Aug 16, 2018 14:59:23 GMT -5
I like meltzer, i find all the hate he gets funny. If meltzer wasn't around, we wouldn't get any dirt or info on the entertainment.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 16, 2018 15:09:41 GMT -5
I like meltzer, i find all the hate he gets funny. If meltzer wasn't around, we wouldn't get any dirt or info on the entertainment.Do we really need it?
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Post by marino13 on Aug 16, 2018 15:52:23 GMT -5
I like meltzer, i find all the hate he gets funny. If meltzer wasn't around, we wouldn't get any dirt or info on the entertainment.Do we really need it? That's my biggest gripe with Meltzer. He's the first to ruin plans & surprises. But he's the first to cry how everything is predictable and stale. If he'd stop ruining it for everyone (including himself) we might actually enjoy things more. If he'd stick to reviewing, and less on the ruining, I think things would be far better.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 16, 2018 17:23:59 GMT -5
I'm getting the feeling that most of you guys didnt listen to the podcast or whatever.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Aug 16, 2018 19:43:56 GMT -5
Meltzer looks like someones tried to draw Harrison Ford's face on a scrote.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Aug 16, 2018 20:15:17 GMT -5
I'm getting the feeling that most of you guys didn't listen to the podcast or whatever. I agree. The hate is gets is unwarranted. If you don't like the guy, then don't listen to his podcast. No one is making you. And all of you that say you "hate him" probably haven't listened to a full show of his at all. Even if you don't like his shows, he is a very talented writer. At least give credit where credit is due in that regard. But when it comes to the Peyton Royce comment, you are all listening/ reading it out of context. He has always defended women and hates the sexist nature of the business. He was saying that he feels she did not need these "enhancements" and that she was better before them. He never once said she was ugly or fat. He said the opposite. How about you take a breather before jumping down someone'e throat?
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Post by BSR on Aug 16, 2018 21:24:27 GMT -5
Why do people still give this guy attention? He’s the Vince Russo of dirt sheets. That's not fair, Dave Meltzer at least knows how to read and write the English language Nah he's right. Hes technically lower than Russo but that's the best comparison
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 16, 2018 21:52:37 GMT -5
I'm getting the feeling that most of you guys didn't listen to the podcast or whatever. I agree. The hate is gets is unwarranted. If you don't like the guy, then don't listen to his podcast. No one is making you. And all of you that say you "hate him" probably haven't listened to a full show of his at all. Even if you don't like his shows, he is a very talented writer. At least give credit where credit is due in that regard. But when it comes to the Peyton Royce comment, you are all listening/ reading it out of context. He has always defended women and hates the sexist nature of the business. He was saying that he feels she did not need these "enhancements" and that she was better before them. He never once said she was ugly or fat. He said the opposite. How about you take a breather before jumping down someone'e throat? I don't even like Meltzer, this is just people reading the clickbait title and getting offended. Like usually for today's society.
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Post by Iron Bison on Aug 16, 2018 21:58:02 GMT -5
Why wasn't there any outcry when Cornette and others talked about Kevin Owen's weight? Oh right, we live in a world of hypocrisy and white knights. Corny is ass backwards, he hates Kevin Owens but loves Samoa Joe. If you strip gimmicks, they are basically the same guy. Corny has stated many times he doesn't hate Owens but how difficult he is to work with as a talent. He would have wanted KO to lose weight but KO wasn't physically dedicated to that either.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Aug 17, 2018 8:26:36 GMT -5
Why wasn't there any outcry when Cornette and others talked about Kevin Owen's weight? Oh right, we live in a world of hypocrisy and white knights. Cornette's an old fart, and his outlook on the business is more obsolete than VHS. Men aren't nearly as pressured to be thin and have great figures as women are, especially in the world of entertainment.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Aug 17, 2018 8:44:24 GMT -5
The point is he shouldn't be criticizing her appearance in the first place. He's supposed to be a wrestling journalist, not playing "hot or not." That’s a real stretch...to me the guy is nothing more than a fan who like to spread rumors and opinions as facts. Hell even a broken clock is right twice a day. I just never understood how people can take him or any other dirt sheet seriously. What did JBL always say to Cole when Cole would talk about a rumor as facts? Something along the lines of “You can’t quote yourself and call it a source” That’s what I think about guys like him. lol Maybe because he has had a successful newsletter for decades then many many talents subscribed to including Vince McMahon, broke countless stories over the years and is respected by many in the wrestling business. He is the most recognized pro wrestling journalist and his credentials and connections within the industry speak for themselves. He clearly has sources within the WWE even today and believe or not plans do actually change.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Aug 17, 2018 8:47:25 GMT -5
That's not fair, Dave Meltzer at least knows how to read and write the English language Nah he's right. Hes technically lower than Russo but that's the best comparison So someone who has failed in everything he has done in wrestling since 1999 is above a man who has made a living from a profession he has never worked in directly yet boasts a very reputable newsletter and is well respected by many unlike Russo who is disliked by nearly everyone.
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Post by PJ on Aug 17, 2018 8:55:53 GMT -5
That’s a real stretch...to me the guy is nothing more than a fan who like to spread rumors and opinions as facts. Hell even a broken clock is right twice a day. I just never understood how people can take him or any other dirt sheet seriously. What did JBL always say to Cole when Cole would talk about a rumor as facts? Something along the lines of “You can’t quote yourself and call it a source” That’s what I think about guys like him. lol Maybe because he has had a successful newsletter for decades then many many talents subscribed to including Vince McMahon, broke countless stories over the years and is respected by many in the wrestling business. He is the most recognized pro wrestling journalist and his credentials and connections within the industry speak for themselves. He clearly has sources within the WWE even today and believe or not plans do actually change. No I don’t listen to to him or read any dirt sheet. They are all pointless. Like marino13 said if he wants to review things fine, but don’t try and spoil stuff before it happens. What’s the point? I don’t want or need to hear about plans before it happen. That’s why I watch the shows. Why do people need to know what’s going to happen before hand? Do you have someone spoil a movie for you before you go and see it? And I don’t care if he has sources in the WWE or not. All he is doing is ruining the product by quoting these unnamed sources. If the WWE wanted the stuff leaked before hand the sources wouldn’t hide behind anonymity.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Aug 17, 2018 9:23:16 GMT -5
Maybe because he has had a successful newsletter for decades then many many talents subscribed to including Vince McMahon, broke countless stories over the years and is respected by many in the wrestling business. He is the most recognized pro wrestling journalist and his credentials and connections within the industry speak for themselves. He clearly has sources within the WWE even today and believe or not plans do actually change. No I don’t listen to to him or read any dirt sheet. They are all pointless. Like marino13 said if he wants to review things fine, but don’t try and spoil stuff before it happens. What’s the point? I don’t want or need to hear about plans before it happen. That’s why I watch the shows. Why do people need to know what’s going to happen before hand? Do you have someone spoil a movie for you before you go and see it? And I don’t care if he has sources in the WWE or not. All he is doing is ruining the product by quoting these unnamed sources. If the WWE wanted the stuff leaked before hand the sources wouldn’t hide behind anonymity. He is a journalist, news takes precedent over spoilers, it is his job to break these stories.
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Post by PJ on Aug 17, 2018 9:36:28 GMT -5
No I don’t listen to to him or read any dirt sheet. They are all pointless. Like marino13 said if he wants to review things fine, but don’t try and spoil stuff before it happens. What’s the point? I don’t want or need to hear about plans before it happen. That’s why I watch the shows. Why do people need to know what’s going to happen before hand? Do you have someone spoil a movie for you before you go and see it? And I don’t care if he has sources in the WWE or not. All he is doing is ruining the product by quoting these unnamed sources. If the WWE wanted the stuff leaked before hand the sources wouldn’t hide behind anonymity. He is a journalist, news takes precedent over spoilers, it is his job to break these stories. Hardly on all accounts.
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Post by BSR on Aug 17, 2018 10:30:31 GMT -5
Nah he's right. Hes technically lower than Russo but that's the best comparison So someone who has failed in everything he has done in wrestling since 1999 is above a man who has made a living from a profession he has never worked in directly yet boasts a very reputable newsletter and is well respected by many unlike Russo who is disliked by nearly everyone. Yes bro
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Post by The American Daydream on Aug 17, 2018 10:43:24 GMT -5
No I don’t listen to to him or read any dirt sheet. They are all pointless. Like marino13 said if he wants to review things fine, but don’t try and spoil stuff before it happens. What’s the point? I don’t want or need to hear about plans before it happen. That’s why I watch the shows. Why do people need to know what’s going to happen before hand? Do you have someone spoil a movie for you before you go and see it? And I don’t care if he has sources in the WWE or not. All he is doing is ruining the product by quoting these unnamed sources. If the WWE wanted the stuff leaked before hand the sources wouldn’t hide behind anonymity. He is a journalist, news takes precedent over spoilers, it is his job to break these stories.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 17, 2018 17:16:48 GMT -5
I am disappointed at a lot of these responses.
1) Meltzer was taken out of context. He was talking about her breast augmentation and also said it was beside the point as to why the IIconics aren't working out on the main roster. He was trying to tip toe around what he was saying as to find the right words and ended up making it worst for himself.
2) He apologized in full as soon as the backlash started. He didn't point out that he was taken out of context, that he didn't think it would blow up, how they were talking about Cena looking smaller right before the clip, or how he's defended Jax's size and appearance on numerous occasions. He saw he made a mistake and owned it instead of deflecting or making excuses for himself. Should we forgive him? Nah, let's double down and claim he's racist, too.
3) This is WWE we are talking about. You know, the company publicly pushing that they are empowering women while privately pushing the women to get cosmetic surgeries. Let's look at who they are pushing, how many of the women are they pushing that haven't had significant cosmetic surgeries? I can think of 2 of 5 women, Ronda and Becky, and both have an asterisk next to them. Ronda for being a huge name and Becky for constantly being one of the most over women no matter how poorly they book her. Carmella is one of their worst in ring talents and Bliss has regressed in the ring significantly over the past year. Carmella gets very little reaction from the fans and of what she does get is mostly go away heat and Bliss's reaction has been moving closer to go away heat. So why are they getting pushed? Because they fit the look WWE is going for. Let's also not forget that this is the company that while in the infancy of B.A. Star, their anti-bullying campaign, were constantly mocking JR's facial paralysis. And to the people saying Russo is a better person than Meltzer, let me remind you of his brainchild, Oklahoma.
4) The hypocrisy in all this is overwhelming. A lot of the same people I see shaming Meltzer were not too long ago saying that Charlotte Flair looks like a man. A lot were the same people that accepted Hogan's recent apology, which by the way is a near word for word rehash of his original 2015 statement, where he yet again emphasizes he didn't know he was being recorded, rather than just admit it was unacceptable regardless.
5) If Meltzer isn't a wrestling journalist, who is? Bill Apter, the guy that admitted to writing fake kayfabe interviews on his magazine for decades? Ryan Satin, an ex-TMZ tabloid journalist? Let's also not forget all the stories Meltzer has broken over the years as well as the careers he has impacted such as: Bret's side of the Screwjob, his coverage leading to WCW hiring Foley (by Foley's own admission), etc.
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Post by airbud on Aug 17, 2018 20:36:22 GMT -5
I’m amazed how many people on here who are not familiar with Dave Meltzer and what he does for the industry.
Dave’s words were taken out of context, here. He’s not a sexist bigot. People who’ve listened to him know that.
Most of your wrestling news you read comes from him and is verified by his sources.
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