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Post by Halloween King on Nov 6, 2018 6:29:35 GMT -5
Just wanted to chime in a little in the whole wwe stars of yesteryear vs wwe stars of today debate... We really don't know how talented or not talented today's wwe superstars are. They are micromanage and stop/start booked to death. They simply aren't allowed to truly shine because wwe management has a hand in every aspect of the on screen personas. Creativity and individuality have been sacrificed in favor of a largely plug and play style of good guy vs bad guy. Sure, there are a few genuine stand outs who break through the molds, but by and large, everyone plays one of a handful of basic character types with small variations. Yesterday's stars seem more memorable because they were allowed the opportunity to be unique. There was only one Big Boss Man. One Jake The Snake. One Million Dollar Man. One Ultimate Warrior. One Mr Perfect. They were larger than life personalities and remembered fondly because they were created to be memorable. Today's stars aren't as memorable because they simply aren't allowed to be as unique. I firmly believe that if wwe would simply allow their superstars greater creative freedom today, you would see a much more memorable, much more "must see" product. I tend to think current guys are micromanaged because the powers that be at wwe know what they have. They know they have guys who can do flips but don't know how to wrestle. Therefore they need someone to hold their hand at all times to guide them.
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Post by The American Daydream on Nov 6, 2018 14:04:15 GMT -5
Idk I feel like you contradicted yourself because Roman has had some really good booking but still isnt more over than his Shield Mates. Meaning booking isnt the end all be all for getting over. Personally, I think the vast majority of Roman's booking has been some of the most forced and contrived crap WWE has ever done. But at the end of the day, he's one of the top merch sellers, and to the general audience, he is 'The Guy'. Because WWE tells you he is. Zack Ryder was the most over person on the roster in the Fall of 2011 - literally out popping The Rock. But they treated him as a joke, buried him, destroyed all his credibility. And what has he done since? Next to nothing. At the end of the day, you need both good booking and the ability to connect with an audience to do anything significant. You can be the most charismatic person in the world, but if you're booked like a joke long enough, you'll be seen as a joke. If you're booked as the next Messiah, but you're as entertaining as a box of rocks, you won't be booked that way for long. this is also true. Kids are the majority and theylove him.
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Post by xomanowar on Nov 6, 2018 21:14:59 GMT -5
Modern day WWE is sadly in need of some real competition. I recently watched an interview with Big Poppa Pump, and he made the point that any competitor with a network could instantly nip at the heels of the WWE. I wish Fox would pull a page out of Ted Turner's book and fire up something like WCW. Sadly, they can't call it WCW since WWE owns the rights.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Nov 7, 2018 22:10:17 GMT -5
Actually, AJ was coming off a run as world champion of the second biggest promotion in the world, NJPW, and centerpiece of the hottest faction in wrestling, the Bullet Club, before coming to WWE. Don't you just hate it when facts don't back up your opinion? Hogan was also the top guy in Japan so including Japan in an argument here is a moot point. Aj was stagnant in TNA, Hogan won the AWA title. This is what the two accomplished before going to wwf/wwe in the United states. Its facts not opinions here bud. Except Hogan never won the AWA strap.
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Post by Halloween King on Nov 7, 2018 22:36:14 GMT -5
Hogan was also the top guy in Japan so including Japan in an argument here is a moot point. Aj was stagnant in TNA, Hogan won the AWA title. This is what the two accomplished before going to wwf/wwe in the United states. Its facts not opinions here bud. Except Hogan never won the AWA strap. It was a "screw job" ending. He won, but they didn't give him the title.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 7, 2018 22:55:12 GMT -5
Just wanted to chime in a little in the whole wwe stars of yesteryear vs wwe stars of today debate... We really don't know how talented or not talented today's wwe superstars are. They are micromanage and stop/start booked to death. They simply aren't allowed to truly shine because wwe management has a hand in every aspect of the on screen personas. Creativity and individuality have been sacrificed in favor of a largely plug and play style of good guy vs bad guy. Sure, there are a few genuine stand outs who break through the molds, but by and large, everyone plays one of a handful of basic character types with small variations. Yesterday's stars seem more memorable because they were allowed the opportunity to be unique. There was only one Big Boss Man. One Jake The Snake. One Million Dollar Man. One Ultimate Warrior. One Mr Perfect. They were larger than life personalities and remembered fondly because they were created to be memorable. Today's stars aren't as memorable because they simply aren't allowed to be as unique. I firmly believe that if wwe would simply allow their superstars greater creative freedom today, you would see a much more memorable, much more "must see" product. The difference between the guys you mentioned and the wrestlers today are that the old guys were all gimmicks - and doing that on the same level would be too corny for us to accept it today. Now, pretty much everybody is just a wrestler. It's like if the entire roster in the late 80s was clones of Tito Santana, Greg Valentine, Jim Brunzell and Jim Powers in different trunks. That's why the likes of Elias stand out so much now, or the Wyatt Family when they debuted. But Dean Ambrose can't just become a guy who is a voodoo doctor by day and wrestles at night, we'd poop all over it.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Nov 8, 2018 7:00:50 GMT -5
Except Hogan never won the AWA strap. It was a "screw job" ending. He won, but they didn't give him the title. Did he officially go down as the AWA champ? No... Listen, I'm as big a Hulkamanic as anybody, but at least get it right dude.
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Post by Halloween King on Nov 8, 2018 21:34:27 GMT -5
It was a "screw job" ending. He won, but they didn't give him the title. Did he officially go down as the AWA champ? No... Listen, I'm as big a Hulkamanic as anybody, but at least get it right dude. He did officially win. He got the 123 in the ring. He had his hand raised. They gave him the title. They announced him as the new champion. It wasnt till days later that they stripped the title from him. So he did officially win but per storyline they took the title from him. The point was that Hogan made the AWA peak in popularity and won their title vs AJ who was stagnant I'm a dieing promotion.
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