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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Nov 11, 2018 19:46:05 GMT -5
“Hey bill why didn’t you travel all the way to China to individually check all 15,000 Goldberg figures?”
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Post by theicwguy on Nov 11, 2018 19:54:33 GMT -5
ive been lucky enough to have no problems yet, these newest elites are some of my favorites ever. Same!
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Nov 12, 2018 12:47:00 GMT -5
No, it does not need to go. It just needs to be done better.
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Nov 12, 2018 13:38:55 GMT -5
First of all OP, chill out, this is an action figure, not a priceless Renaissance painting that a 5 year old fingerpainted on. There is no disaster here, just a QC error. It happened before True FX was unveiled and will likely continue.
Second this is not a Mattel-exclusive problem as all major toy lines have paint issues on certain figures. Funko comes to mind for botched paint jobs on Pops every now and then, and to an extent Hasbro's Marvel Legends has a dud on their real scan faces.
Third as it's been said throughout this thread, insisting that Bill personally oversee the production of these figures is ridiculous. It's not like he can take a round trip to China and inspect every figure to make sure it meets our standards. That's a tall order for anyone and some defects slip through the cracks as a result, and like I said it's not just a Mattel problem and this being a new technology for them to implement, I'm not expecting them to bat a thousand right away.
I personally think the True FX looks phenomenal on figures where it's applied correctly and there's more cases of decent figures over rejects. If that Goldberg is not up to snuff, exchange it or get a refund instead of typing doom and gloom on a toy forum.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 13:48:29 GMT -5
This is a shambles, received EG Goldberg in the mail today and his eyes are blurry and his mouth is a bit off. How is Bill letting these hit retail, he surely sees the problems with these. This FX has to go! Wait, you think his job is to check every head on the production line in the factory in Asia? lol no no no. But he should be aware of this problem, its not an isolated incident. Every figure with this true FX ive came across has the same problem with the eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 13:53:28 GMT -5
Wait, you think his job is to check every head on the production line in the factory in Asia? lol no no no. But he should be aware of this problem, its not an isolated incident. Every figure with this true FX ive came across has the same problem with the eyes. No doubt he is aware, but he designs the figures, he doesnt work on quality control, or anywhere near the production line, i would bet the equity in my house that the samples he sees dont look like the pics in this thread
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Post by VHS on Nov 12, 2018 13:54:24 GMT -5
I JUST GOT A FIGURE AND THE ARM WAS FACING THE LEFT AND THEY NEED TO STOP MAKING ARMS ON FIGURES!!!
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 13:57:46 GMT -5
First of all OP, chill out, this is an action figure, not a priceless Renaissance painting that a 5 year old fingerpainted on. There is no disaster here, just a QC error. It happened before True FX was unveiled and will likely continue. Second this is not a Mattel-exclusive problem as all major toy lines have paint issues on certain figures. Funko comes to mind for botched paint jobs on Pops every now and then, and to an extent Hasbro's Marvel Legends has a dud on their real scan faces. Third as it's been said throughout this thread, insisting that Bill personally oversee the production of these figures is ridiculous. It's not like he can take a round trip to China and inspect every figure to make sure it meets our standards. That's a tall order for anyone and some defects slip through the cracks as a result, and like I said it's not just a Mattel problem and this being a new technology for them to implement, I'm not expecting them to bat a thousand right away. I personally think the True FX looks phenomenal on figures where it's applied correctly and there's more cases of decent figures over rejects. If that Goldberg is not up to snuff, exchange it or get a refund instead of typing doom and gloom on a toy forum. Every figure ive bought with this True FX has the same problems, you cant just be paying money for flawed products on this wide of a scale and not expect it to ruffle a few feathers. So by you telling me to not bother typing "doom and gloom" is simply absurd. If you honestly think I thought he should go to China and inspect every single figure you're an absolute idiot. Its a widespread problem, he is aware of it and hes letting production continue where he shouldnt be. So if you think I should sit back and whistle dixie you've another thing coming.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 12, 2018 14:10:53 GMT -5
I just think it sucks. Why is it that weird texture and why is everyone wearing eyeliner? Look at Hasbro’s Marvel and Star Wars lines. The faces are uncanny linkenesses to the actors and they don’t look like normal action figures with holographic drag masks on. So poor application aside, I just don’t think it’s good. Oldberg is better than Goldberg. Guys like Billy Gunn and Bobby Roode both look way better with just the normal heads without the makeup. To each their own but this whole deal has made the figures look like mostly sh*t imo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 14:14:59 GMT -5
First of all OP, chill out, this is an action figure, not a priceless Renaissance painting that a 5 year old fingerpainted on. There is no disaster here, just a QC error. It happened before True FX was unveiled and will likely continue. Second this is not a Mattel-exclusive problem as all major toy lines have paint issues on certain figures. Funko comes to mind for botched paint jobs on Pops every now and then, and to an extent Hasbro's Marvel Legends has a dud on their real scan faces. Third as it's been said throughout this thread, insisting that Bill personally oversee the production of these figures is ridiculous. It's not like he can take a round trip to China and inspect every figure to make sure it meets our standards. That's a tall order for anyone and some defects slip through the cracks as a result, and like I said it's not just a Mattel problem and this being a new technology for them to implement, I'm not expecting them to bat a thousand right away. I personally think the True FX looks phenomenal on figures where it's applied correctly and there's more cases of decent figures over rejects. If that Goldberg is not up to snuff, exchange it or get a refund instead of typing doom and gloom on a toy forum. Every figure ive bought with this True FX has the same problems, you cant just be paying money for flawed products on this wide of a scale and not expect it to ruffle a few feathers. So by you telling me to not bother typing "doom and gloom" is simply absurd. If you honestly think I thought he should go to China and inspect every single figure you're an absolute idiot. Its a widespread problem, he is aware of it and hes letting production continue where he shouldnt be. So if you think I should sit back and whistle dixie you've another thing coming. He's the designer, he doesnt deal with quality control, there will be team dealing with qc at the factory, a designer woyld have zero to do with that
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Post by marino13 on Nov 12, 2018 14:24:00 GMT -5
As I said in the other 3 page thread (that the OP even commented in)...
I have bought about twenty FX figures so far and I have not had an issue. The only one I really didn't like was EG Bobby Roode. Besides that one, I think they're great.
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Post by happygirl on Nov 12, 2018 14:31:32 GMT -5
I like how everyone is an expert on the line production process all of a sudden. Good stuff.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 15:24:24 GMT -5
Every figure ive bought with this True FX has the same problems, you cant just be paying money for flawed products on this wide of a scale and not expect it to ruffle a few feathers. So by you telling me to not bother typing "doom and gloom" is simply absurd. If you honestly think I thought he should go to China and inspect every single figure you're an absolute idiot. Its a widespread problem, he is aware of it and hes letting production continue where he shouldnt be. So if you think I should sit back and whistle dixie you've another thing coming. He's the designer, he doesnt deal with quality control, there will be team dealing with qc at the factory, a designer woyld have zero to do with that So who deals with QC? and if there is a problem who does it get reported to? If he is the head honcho regarding the elites then I would imagine the problems would get reported to him. Your argument is abstract, I mean elaborate, what does Bill do as a designer? You're talking like you're there at Mattel and know exactly what each employee does, if you're going to argue something you have to be more specific. Not just say its a "QC issue" that has nothing to do with, Bill. Im not trying to be smart or anything, I just wish people would debate properly and stop being so vague. I brought up a problem that is certainly not the first time its been brought up in its short lifespan and people are shutting it down like its non existant, its a badly designed flaw, not simply a bad paint app that goes astray every now and again, that I understand but this is a poor execution of a neat idea. I mean that picture someone posted of Rousey is shocking and thats the exact same problems my two figures have and they are the only two that I have bought with the FX feature, so it cant be that limited like some are saying. I bought those two figures online btw, they seemed fine in the pics but ofcourse it was a different matter when I received them. Isnt Bill sent samples of products that he needs to approve? Regardless, with the EG Bobby Roode release, every release of that figure had the same FX problems from what Ive read on here so Bill had to be aware of it before that figure even hit retail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 15:27:28 GMT -5
He's the designer, he doesnt deal with quality control, there will be team dealing with qc at the factory, a designer woyld have zero to do with that So who deals with QC? and if there is a problem who does it get reported to? If he is the head honcho regarding the elites then I would imagine the problems would get reported to him. Your argument is abstract, I mean elaborate, what does Bill do as a designer? You're talking like you're there at Mattel and know exactly what each employee does, if you're going to argue something you have to be more specific. Not just say its a "QC issue" that has nothing to do with, Bill. Im not trying to be smart or anything, I just wish people would debate properly and stop being so vague. I brought up a problem that is certainly not the first time its been brought up in its short lifespan and people are shutting it down like its non existant, its a badly designed flaw, not simply a bad paint app that goes astray every now and again, that I understand but this is a poor execution of a neat idea. I mean that picture someone posted of Rousey is shocking and thats the exact same problems my two figures have and they are the only two that I have bought with the FX feature, so it cant be that limited like some are saying. I bought those two figures online btw, they seemed fine in the pics but ofcourse it was a different matter when I received them. Isnt Bill sent samples of products that he needs to approve? Regardless, with the EG Bobby Roode release, every release of that figure had the same FX problems from what Ive read on here so Bill had to be aware of it before that figure even hit retail. Hes not head honcho as you put it, hes head designer If you email Mattel and ask for the contact for someone on qualtiy control they will tell you I dont know who deals with qc, but i have worked a production line many years ago, and i know that the product designer had nothing to do with checking the quality of our work, it may appear vague and very simple for me to say, but thats because it is simple, people talk here like Bill runs Mattel, he doesnt, he is head designer, he doesnt deal with distribution, qc, contracts or any of that stuff, as head designer, why would he?
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Post by One Punch Reigns on Nov 12, 2018 15:31:55 GMT -5
As I said in the other 3 page thread (that the OP even commented in)... I have bought about twenty FX figures so far and I have not had an issue. The only one I really didn't like was EG Bobby Roode. Besides that one, I think they're great. EG Roode is the only one I think was a swing and a miss but it's more of a personal thing than an objective flaw. Doesn't bother me much though.
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Post by micco on Nov 12, 2018 15:35:48 GMT -5
I agree. It sucks.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 15:40:33 GMT -5
So who deals with QC? and if there is a problem who does it get reported to? If he is the head honcho regarding the elites then I would imagine the problems would get reported to him. Your argument is abstract, I mean elaborate, what does Bill do as a designer? You're talking like you're there at Mattel and know exactly what each employee does, if you're going to argue something you have to be more specific. Not just say its a "QC issue" that has nothing to do with, Bill. Im not trying to be smart or anything, I just wish people would debate properly and stop being so vague. I brought up a problem that is certainly not the first time its been brought up in its short lifespan and people are shutting it down like its non existant, its a badly designed flaw, not simply a bad paint app that goes astray every now and again, that I understand but this is a poor execution of a neat idea. I mean that picture someone posted of Rousey is shocking and thats the exact same problems my two figures have and they are the only two that I have bought with the FX feature, so it cant be that limited like some are saying. I bought those two figures online btw, they seemed fine in the pics but ofcourse it was a different matter when I received them. Isnt Bill sent samples of products that he needs to approve? Regardless, with the EG Bobby Roode release, every release of that figure had the same FX problems from what Ive read on here so Bill had to be aware of it before that figure even hit retail. Hes not head honcho as you put it, hes head designer If you email Mattel and ask for the contact for someone on qualtiy control they will tell you I dont know who deals with qc, but i have worked a production line many years ago, and i know that the product designer had nothing to do with checking the quality of our work, it may appear vague and very simple for me to say, but thats because it is simple, people talk here like Bill runs Mattel, he doesnt, he is head designer, he doesnt deal with distribution, qc, contracts or any of that stuff, as head designer, why would he? He's the head honcho of the elites. No one ever said he is in charge of Mattel so I dont know why you threw that in, we are well aware of that, but he is the guy in charge of the elite line. So, it's him that needs to be aware of the problem. Oh and by the way, im still waiting on what head designer actually entails? I see you skipped that little bit of detail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 15:44:19 GMT -5
Hes not head honcho as you put it, hes head designer If you email Mattel and ask for the contact for someone on qualtiy control they will tell you I dont know who deals with qc, but i have worked a production line many years ago, and i know that the product designer had nothing to do with checking the quality of our work, it may appear vague and very simple for me to say, but thats because it is simple, people talk here like Bill runs Mattel, he doesnt, he is head designer, he doesnt deal with distribution, qc, contracts or any of that stuff, as head designer, why would he? He's the head honcho of the elites. No one ever said he is in charge of Mattel so I dont know why you threw that in, we are well aware of that, but he is the guy in charge of the elite line. So, it's him that needs to be aware of the problem. Oh and by the way, im stil waiting on what head designer actually entails? I see you skipped that little bit of detail. Hes not head of elite line, hes head designer of the elite line I have no idea of his daily routine, but i also know, a designer doesnt control qc
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 16:03:12 GMT -5
He's the head honcho of the elites. No one ever said he is in charge of Mattel so I dont know why you threw that in, we are well aware of that, but he is the guy in charge of the elite line. So, it's him that needs to be aware of the problem. Oh and by the way, im stil waiting on what head designer actually entails? I see you skipped that little bit of detail. Hes not head of elite line, hes head designer of the elite line I have no idea of his daily routine, but i also know, a designer doesnt control qc Yes but you know full well what I mean when I say hes head honcho of the elites. So you dont actually know what his job entails but you were lecturing me on the production process? And you dont think its reasonable of me to ask why Bill is letting these hit retail knowing that the true FX is flawed? And if Bill is not the head of the elite line, then who is because you are drawing distinctions between the two.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 12, 2018 16:12:25 GMT -5
Hes not head honcho as you put it, hes head designer If you email Mattel and ask for the contact for someone on qualtiy control they will tell you I dont know who deals with qc, but i have worked a production line many years ago, and i know that the product designer had nothing to do with checking the quality of our work, it may appear vague and very simple for me to say, but thats because it is simple, people talk here like Bill runs Mattel, he doesnt, he is head designer, he doesnt deal with distribution, qc, contracts or any of that stuff, as head designer, why would he? He's the head honcho of the elites. No he isn't. He designs the figures. He doesn't manage the production or distribution of them.
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