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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Nov 12, 2018 16:13:46 GMT -5
Do we really need two separate threads about how some figures are getting paint misapplied using True FX? Can they be combined or one locked?
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 16:26:27 GMT -5
He's the head honcho of the elites. No he isn't. He designs the figures. He doesn't manage the production or distribution of them. So who wanted the true FX feature be included in the elites? I dont really care who manages the production or distribution its absurd to think people are going to refer to them when problems arise from this true FX design. Genereally speaking, hes the head honcho who should be made aware of this flaw so he can then report it to the appropriate people and get it sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 16:33:18 GMT -5
No he isn't. He designs the figures. He doesn't manage the production or distribution of them. So who wanted the true FX feature be included in the elites? I dont really care who manages the production or distribution its absurd to think people are going to refer to them when problems arise from this true FX design. Genereally speaking, hes the head honcho who should be made aware of this flaw so he can then report it to the appropriate people and get it sorted. You, as a customer, could report it to Mattel
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Post by muuk76 on Nov 12, 2018 16:33:40 GMT -5
I like how everyone is an expert on the line production process all of a sudden. Good stuff. Experts are plentiful on here.
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Post by Xæro #FakeCollector on Nov 12, 2018 17:00:19 GMT -5
I just think it sucks. Why is it that weird texture and why is everyone wearing eyeliner? Look at Hasbro’s Marvel and Star Wars lines. The faces are uncanny linkenesses to the actors and they don’t look like normal action figures with holographic drag masks on. So poor application aside, I just don’t think it’s good. Oldberg is better than Goldberg. Guys like Billy Gunn and Bobby Roode both look way better with just the normal heads without the makeup. To each their own but this whole deal has made the figures look like mostly sh*t imo. Just different techniques. Hasbro's method is a very closely guarded secret. They never talk about what tricks they do, but give Mattel time. I'm sure they'll knock it out of the park more often than not once it's being used for everyone.
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Post by PJ on Nov 12, 2018 17:06:56 GMT -5
Hes not head of elite line, hes head designer of the elite line I have no idea of his daily routine, but i also know, a designer doesnt control qc Yes but you know full well what I mean when I say hes head honcho of the elites. So you dont actually know what his job entails but you were lecturing me on the production process? And you dont think its reasonable of me to ask why Bill is letting these hit retail knowing that the true FX is flawed? And if Bill is not the head of the elite line, then who is because you are drawing distinctions between the two. How would he know they are flawed. He doesn’t look at every figure leaving the warehouse in China. He is sent some product samples if they are good why would he think there’s an issue. And as a mass produced toy there’s going to be Q/C issues that make their way to retail. But that’s why they have a customer service department for you to call to issue out the vouchers for defective product.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 17:42:37 GMT -5
Yes but you know full well what I mean when I say hes head honcho of the elites. So you dont actually know what his job entails but you were lecturing me on the production process? And you dont think its reasonable of me to ask why Bill is letting these hit retail knowing that the true FX is flawed? And if Bill is not the head of the elite line, then who is because you are drawing distinctions between the two. How would he know they are flawed. He doesn’t look at every figure leaving the warehouse in China. He is sent some product samples if they are good why would he think there’s an issue. And as a mass produced toy there’s going to be Q/C issues that make their way to retail. But that’s why they have a customer service department for you to call to issue out the vouchers for defective product. How would the head designer not know they are flawed? And you honestly think he needs to check every single figure leaving China lol? The arguments on here by people are like that of a child. Every EG Roode had the issue with the eyes. That would have been the first red flag. You would be very naive to think he doesnt know of any flaws in the design of his figures on this scale.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 17:56:01 GMT -5
How would he know they are flawed. He doesn’t look at every figure leaving the warehouse in China. He is sent some product samples if they are good why would he think there’s an issue. And as a mass produced toy there’s going to be Q/C issues that make their way to retail. But that’s why they have a customer service department for you to call to issue out the vouchers for defective product. The arguments on here by people are like that of a child. Never a truer word spoken
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 12, 2018 18:44:39 GMT -5
I dont really care who manages the production or distribution Neither do I, but I'm not going to throw tantrums at the designer and pretend that it's him who manages them.
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Post by PJ on Nov 12, 2018 18:56:15 GMT -5
How would he know they are flawed. He doesn’t look at every figure leaving the warehouse in China. He is sent some product samples if they are good why would he think there’s an issue. And as a mass produced toy there’s going to be Q/C issues that make their way to retail. But that’s why they have a customer service department for you to call to issue out the vouchers for defective product. How would the head designer not know they are flawed? And you honestly think he needs to check every single figure leaving China lol? The arguments on here by people are like that of a child. Every EG Roode had the issue with the eyes. That would have been the first red flag. You would be very naive to think he doesnt know of any flaws in the design of his figures on this scale. No I don’t think that...that was a reply to your initial point that he should know the flaws. I said he only sees a couple production samples and if those are good he ok’s it. But being he’s in CA he has no idea what happens after he ok’ed the samples. So of course there will be some Q/C issue at retail.
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Post by RybackV1 on Nov 12, 2018 19:01:48 GMT -5
I've blindly received nearly 20 True FX figures since it started.
All of them have been great.
Call it good luck, or not being nitpicky. Either way these True FX heads are the best in wrestling figure history. It's almost scary how I have these guys exact faces looking at me from my shelf.
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Post by wrestlingfan2011 on Nov 12, 2018 19:28:18 GMT -5
I really like FX they look super cool. But they just need to fix some little details but 95% of the figures are amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:28:55 GMT -5
First of all OP, chill out, this is an action figure, not a priceless Renaissance painting that a 5 year old fingerpainted on. There is no disaster here, just a QC error. It happened before True FX was unveiled and will likely continue. Second this is not a Mattel-exclusive problem as all major toy lines have paint issues on certain figures. Funko comes to mind for botched paint jobs on Pops every now and then, and to an extent Hasbro's Marvel Legends has a dud on their real scan faces. Third as it's been said throughout this thread, insisting that Bill personally oversee the production of these figures is ridiculous. It's not like he can take a round trip to China and inspect every figure to make sure it meets our standards. That's a tall order for anyone and some defects slip through the cracks as a result, and like I said it's not just a Mattel problem and this being a new technology for them to implement, I'm not expecting them to bat a thousand right away. I personally think the True FX looks phenomenal on figures where it's applied correctly and there's more cases of decent figures over rejects. If that Goldberg is not up to snuff, exchange it or get a refund instead of typing doom and gloom on a toy forum. One time after a brutal Mets lose where Tom Glavine was shelled and taken out of the game early the press asked him after the game if this was a “travesty” to the Mets. Glavine’s defense was that it was just baseball so it couldn’t be a “travesty”. Tom was destroyed by NY radio the next day because no one including the press member asking the question was comparing the loss to the travesty of a sick child or deadly accident. They were merely speaking in terms of sports and sports alone. Everyone got that and understood the question but Glavine. I understood what the OP meant by “disaster”. Why didn’t you?
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 20:00:23 GMT -5
I dont really care who manages the production or distribution Neither do I, but I'm not going to throw tantrums at the designer and pretend that it's him who manages them. No one threw a tantrum, that's your opinion. I stated the FX has been a disaster, is that all of sudden a "tantrum"? And as for my other posts, I argued my case, those arent tantrums. I certainly didnt state he "managed them". I simply referred, Bill's name because he's the guy that wanted the true FX implemented, hes the "elite" guy that people generally will refer to when flaws come up. You should be smart enough to know when someone is applying generality in a post. Its a flawed design mate, either way you look at, its been brought up numerous times.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 20:14:47 GMT -5
How would the head designer not know they are flawed? And you honestly think he needs to check every single figure leaving China lol? The arguments on here by people are like that of a child. Every EG Roode had the issue with the eyes. That would have been the first red flag. You would be very naive to think he doesnt know of any flaws in the design of his figures on this scale. No I don’t think that...that was a reply to your initial point that he should know the flaws. I said he only sees a couple production samples and if those are good he ok’s it. But being he’s in CA he has no idea what happens after he ok’ed the samples. So of course there will be some Q/C issue at retail. My inital point that he should be aware of the flaws is perfectly valid if you take into consideration he's the head designer. Surely, when something as flawed as this true FX is brought up, people are generally going to ask why Bill, is letting these hit retail? Your saying he cant check every figure in China, ofcourse we both know that but you're taking the argument out of context if you seriously think thats what I meant, you should be smart enough to know when someone is speaking in a context of generality. This isnt on a scale of a few bad joints or general bothed paint apps, this is a widespread problem with the true FX, you didnt argue the case I made about EG Roode, how come? Because if you had you would of knew this wasnt limited to "some Q/C issues", every one of his figures had the problem with the blurry eyes. Am I unreasonable to think Bill didnt know of that? He would have that figure in his collection so that certainly must have been the first red flag. These are not unreasaonable arguments im making, I havent made one yet, Ive simply stated an ongoing problem that people like you are taking way out of context. Dont just shoot someone down when you see they are trying to make an effort rather than some one or two lines of some silly argument. Saying things like, Bill, cant check every figure coming out of China is just plain silly.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 20:17:58 GMT -5
I've blindly received nearly 20 True FX figures since it started. All of them have been great. Call it good luck, or not being nitpicky. Either way these True FX heads are the best in wrestling figure history. It's almost scary how I have these guys exact faces looking at me from my shelf. Ill call it not being nitpicky lol. Id like to see these 20 figures you mentioned and judge myself if they have the same problems as mine. Then your argument might not be so subjective.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 12, 2018 20:29:41 GMT -5
Neither do I, but I'm not going to throw tantrums at the designer and pretend that it's him who manages them. No one threw a tantrum, that's your opinion. I stated the FX has been a disaster, is that all of sudden a "tantrum"? When you're doing the "HOW COULD U LET THESE HIT RETAIL, BILL?" stuff then yes, it's a tantrum. That's why folks are posting suggesting you calm down a little - you're getting yourself worked up and you're throwing out strange demands and suggestions of Bill's job, and it's not clear what you're expecting to achieve with it.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 20:36:13 GMT -5
No one threw a tantrum, that's your opinion. I stated the FX has been a disaster, is that all of sudden a "tantrum"? When you're doing the "HOW COULD U LET THESE HIT RETAIL, BILL?" stuff then yes, it's a tantrum. That's why folks are posting suggesting you calm down a little - you're getting yourself worked up and you're throwing out strange demands and suggestions of Bill's job, and it's not clear what you're expecting to achieve with it. Did you put those caps on or me? And no that's not a tantrum at all, that is you assuming its a tantrum. Theres a difference. Im not doing anything of the sort, im arguing my case which is fair, its other people that came up with these random job titles. If you go back and read them you will see that. If Ive bought two figures, that both have this problem, spent upwards of £30 on each, I see they are badly flawed, many others are saying the same thing, you dont think its unreasonable for me to ask, "how could you let these hit retail, Bill?". Anything Ive brought up in this argument is perfectly valid, sorry if you dont like that.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Nov 12, 2018 21:12:44 GMT -5
you dont think its unreasonable for me to ask, "how could you let these hit retail, Bill?" As you've been informed many times in the thread, Bill's job is not to check every figure that gets packed and sent to stores. So it's a bizarre, pointless question that comes from a place of tantrum and cannot be answered - because Bill doesn't do the QC checks at the factories in Asia. He lives in the US. He isn't the person who "lets these hit retail." He designs the figures, that's his job. His job isn't to storm into the factories and throw everything on the floor because of QC issues. He doesn't run the line.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 12, 2018 21:34:08 GMT -5
you dont think its unreasonable for me to ask, "how could you let these hit retail, Bill?" As you've been informed many times in the thread, Bill's job is not to check every figure that gets packed and sent to stores. So it's a bizarre, pointless question that comes from a place of tantrum and cannot be answered - because Bill doesn't do the QC checks at the factories in Asia. He lives in the US. He isn't the person who "lets these hit retail." He designs the figures, that's his job. His job isn't to storm into the factories and throw everything on the floor because of QC issues. He doesn't run the line. I didnt ask about him checking every figure thats packed and sent to stores, that however, is bizarre to think thats what I meant. And no, its not a place of tantrum, its a reasonable argument that you cant comprehend, dont turn it around and say its a pointless tantrum that cant be answered (I guess thats why he does q&a's). Never once did I say that he needed to do a QC check or ask about factories in Asia lol. Again, thats your bizarre analysing and incompetence to grasp a generalised point being made. He designs the figures, yes many have stated that, I didnt say he didnt. Hence why I think its reasonable to see why I mentioned his name and not once did I say he should storm into factories and throw everything on the floor because of QC issues, that is again your "bizarre" analogy. Who do you exactly want me to refer to when things go wrong with the design of these figures? do you not think its reasonable for me to make reference to, bill, the head designer? or do you want to take it way out of context and go down all the different job titles of various strangers? No tantrum here mate, just someone who can argue their point. I suggest you learn the difference.
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