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Post by WFR on Nov 21, 2018 19:53:44 GMT -5
These two have just appeared...quite a bit of discussion as to if they’re legit or not. The source is know for obtaining these items. Have you seen them? What are your thoughts?
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Nov 21, 2018 20:27:05 GMT -5
Those ebay listings from Hong Kong?
I saw those earlier and passed by after a glance. Just assumed they were customs and with sloppy paintwork.
I don't know much about prototypes or the seller, hopefully someone else chimes in that knows better than I.
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 21, 2018 21:21:58 GMT -5
how can i find the items?
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 21, 2018 21:38:20 GMT -5
found them, i am leaning towards legit on these, these aren't the only orange series protos out there!
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Nov 21, 2018 22:05:39 GMT -5
Doink is made of resin, hand painted, and has no copyright markings.
I assume Luger's legs are new/resin, but I don't know why when the Hogan legs would've been just fine. or even Luger 1's legs
I'd believe they're legit. don't know how much I'd say Doink is orange card, but definitely pre-production
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Post by ozz on Nov 21, 2018 22:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 21, 2018 22:10:43 GMT -5
he isnt advertising as orange series either which i think adds to the credibility, plus another orange series proto that surfaced before it looks legit IMO, especially since they were re-using limbs, which might be why it has the stamp on it, plus it matches the designs too.
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Post by WFR on Nov 21, 2018 22:29:43 GMT -5
Can I post links to the WFR Twitter and Instagram?
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 21, 2018 22:34:48 GMT -5
so thats Diesel, doink and lex confirmed protos so far, the others must exist would love to see jeff!
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Post by WFR on Nov 21, 2018 22:39:36 GMT -5
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Post by nywild3 on Nov 21, 2018 22:52:48 GMT -5
so thats Diesel, doink and lex confirmed protos so far, the others must exist would love to see jeff! who has a pic of the diesel?
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Post by GoldenHulk on Nov 22, 2018 0:26:12 GMT -5
Either way, the listing is very carefully worded "Up for auction is a 5" resin hard-copy of Doink the Clown from WWF Wrestling Figure series produced by Hasbro in early 90's. 100% hand-painted by mold-testing personnel, with some parts in non-production colors. (Please note the actual color is a little darker than that of the photo.) In excellent condition. No copyright markings. One of a kind. Authenticity guranteed." It IS in fact a copy of a Hasbro Doink figure hand painted by "mold testing personnel" (whoever made the mold, I guess). Nowhere does it state that it is an official Hasbro production sample, just that someone hand painted a figure. No year of production listed, no chain of custody proof. So technically if you made a resin copy of a Hasbro figure, painted it yourself, and then used this EXACT wording you would be telling the complete truth too! Whatever it is, I hope for the sake of the people bidding that it's what they're looking for and they get their money's worth. I will just point out for the record that these painted figures are showing up now after the colored Rudat sketches have been shown around the internet. If these popped up anytime in the 20 years before the sketches were seen they'd be a much more incredible find.
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Post by marklud on Nov 22, 2018 2:51:05 GMT -5
This is wild and right now I truthfully have no idea how to react. Hopeful but pessimistic?
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Post by kev85hasbro on Nov 22, 2018 4:36:05 GMT -5
Either way, the listing is very carefully worded "Up for auction is a 5" resin hard-copy of Doink the Clown from WWF Wrestling Figure series produced by Hasbro in early 90's. 100% hand-painted by mold-testing personnel, with some parts in non-production colors. (Please note the actual color is a little darker than that of the photo.) In excellent condition. No copyright markings. One of a kind. Authenticity guranteed." It IS in fact a copy of a Hasbro Doink figure hand painted by "mold testing personnel" (whoever made the mold, I guess). Nowhere does it state that it is an official Hasbro production sample, just that someone hand painted a figure. No year of production listed, no chain of custody proof. So technically if you made a resin copy of a Hasbro figure, painted it yourself, and then used this EXACT wording you would be telling the complete truth too! Whatever it is, I hope for the sake of the people bidding that it's what they're looking for and they get their money's worth. I will just point out for the record that these painted figures are showing up now after the colored Rudat sketches have been shown around the internet. If these popped up anytime in the 20 years before the sketches were seen they'd be a much more incredible find. What this guys said is incredible true. It’s perfectly worded. But also adds to my suspicions and many other collectors out their that “something is going on”. I’m Not saying this is legit or non-legit for that, but why has it in the past 3-4 years incredibly rare items have surfaced? It’s almost too much for me to accept. The truth is people’s custom making skills are exceptional today and can easily create such desired pieces. It almost makes me beg for the grading companies to intervene. That way we have some kind of professional body giving an opinion. For the record too. I have stopped seeking out prototypes and test shots because it’s unclear to me what is and what isn’t true. I still love collecting the original line and that takes my priorities.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Nov 22, 2018 6:34:25 GMT -5
I'm wary because today with the right skills it isn't too hard to make a resin copy: tutorials can be found by just googling. Lex and Doink kept the existing bodies, so making resin copies and painting according to the drawing shouldn't be much of a problem. It just takes time & effort.
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Post by rvd3434 on Nov 22, 2018 7:11:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to make of it but I can confirm that they are NOT resin. A few of my friends requested pictures of the bottom of the boots which the seller has now added. If they were indeed resin, the boots would NOT have holes which they do. Also, a resin cannot have a copyright marking on a back, since a paint master wouldn't have one, Lex Luger does. Also, I am aware of Doink the Clown not having the markings on the back....however, is it possible that this seller repainted a regular Red Card series Luger and repainted a legit Test Shot Prototype of Doink? Reason I ask is because look at the coloring around the holes on the new picture he added. That is the exact color the boots are on the actual test shot. Makes you wonder...
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Post by adecw on Nov 22, 2018 7:20:39 GMT -5
maybe @vintagefigs1 will buy them
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 22, 2018 7:21:32 GMT -5
I'm not sure what to make of it but I can confirm that they are NOT resin. A few of my friends requested pictures of the bottom of the boots which the seller has now added. If they were indeed resin, the boots would NOT have holes which they do. Also, a resin cannot have a copyright marking on a back, since a paint master wouldn't have one, Lex Luger does. Also, I am aware of Doink the Clown not having the markings on the back....however, is it possible that this seller repainted a regular Red Card series Luger and repainted a legit Test Shot Prototype of Doink? Reason I ask is because look at the coloring around the holes on the new picture he added. That is the exact color the boots are on the actual test shot. Makes you wonder... i just think if he was going to fake them he would at least put orange series unreleaaed in the listing somewhere, he is known to have a lot of star wars & other prototypes though too.
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Post by undertaker131 on Nov 22, 2018 7:38:05 GMT -5
his reply when i asked how he got them
I acquired them in early 90's from a source close to the mold-testing workshop of some Chinese factory making figures for Hasbro.
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Post by rvd3434 on Nov 22, 2018 7:52:12 GMT -5
his reply when i asked how he got them I acquired them in early 90's from a source close to the mold-testing workshop of some Chinese factory making figures for Hasbro. But see, is he saying "early" 90's because the copyright on the back says 1991? These would have been made in 1994 or 1995.
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