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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 9:58:05 GMT -5
So you think Mattel ship product randomly to stores? I just cannot understand why its so hard for you and others to grasp, Mattel do NOT ship to stores, Mattel ship to central hubs, the product is then distributed by the company, this case Walmart, is it really that complex to understand? If i owned 10 stores and ordered product from Mattel but only stocked it in one of my stores, why would you blame Mattel for that? Mattel has a distribution arm that manages its retail relationships. Clearly they are not doing their job of ensuring that Walmart properly stocks their products. Mattel is part of the supply chain process, and given they are the manufacturer, they are responsible for ensuring supply is synced with demand. How do you know what Walmart have ordered though?
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Post by @WWERetroStars on Nov 30, 2018 10:09:57 GMT -5
Not to be an alarmist, but part of me does wonder if they cut production numbers on Series 3 big time? There are too many stories coming out of major cities that there has been no movement on these in a long time. Maybe Mattel adjusted on the fly once they saw Series 1 and Series 2 struggle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 10:10:54 GMT -5
Not to be an alarmist, but part of me does wonder if they cut production numbers on Series 3 big time? There are too many stories coming out of major cities that there has been no movement on these in a long time. Maybe Mattel adjusted on the fly once they saw Series 1 and Series 2 struggle. This is probably much more like it, rather than a store distribution problem, perhaps there wasnt enough produced to go around
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Post by rjoneze on Nov 30, 2018 10:25:21 GMT -5
So frustrating my commissioner HBK has no arms!
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Post by Old School Collector on Nov 30, 2018 10:26:57 GMT -5
If you are in the know of case count/when a store gets shipments or stocks certain items/grab them all because you want to make money ... that, is a scalper. I don’t care how you sugar coar it, that’s being a scalper. I’m not saying if the store only ever gets 1 shipment and you buy it for yoursef ... and you know this, but what I AM saying is that if you know the store only gets 1 shipment and you purposely buy them to sale or because you have absolutely no interest in them other than profit, then your a scalper. Also, yes , Mattel distribution is asinine. I hope you got it this time 👍🏻 So you think Mattel ship product randomly to stores? I just cannot understand why its so hard for you and others to grasp, Mattel do NOT ship to stores, Mattel ship to central hubs, the product is then distributed by the company, this case Walmart, is it really that complex to understand? If i owned 10 stores and ordered product from Mattel but only stocked it in one of my stores, why would you blame Mattel for that? I'm pretty sure that we all understand the concept of store orders product > Mattel ships product > people buy product, however this has been the case with this line for so long that you can't really collect anymore. Please, give me another line from any other toy company that continuously has this problem, with so many different stores at that. I agree with what you're trying to say, but you're also not wanting to hear my point. Wal-Mart can't even order these by the SKU number anymore... so that debunks your case of "it isn't Mattel's fault". Trust me, if I could order myself set then I would have already done so. The entire distribution of this line has been terrible and it's not only just with Wal-Mart. Target was been a disaster when it come to the Hall of Fame, Hall of Champions ect, as well. Toys r' Us going out of business really hurt Mattel's WWE line and I'm sure it threw an huge monkey wrench in lineups and production, but the drastic flip flop of a huge mass production of one line, then nothing for months, then all of a sudden certain places get this line while others can't even order it, but now we're going to discontinue it and make another line is getting a bit ridiculous ... how would you expect a retailer chain such as Wal-Mart, Target or any other company to be able to keep up with something like that, when it's constantly changing. Eventually, these will surface in abundance, so whoever is in panic mode trying to hunt these down are only playing into scalpers hands that already have them ... they're not rare and they won't be a Hall of Fame Cactus Jack scenario ... just wait.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 10:32:28 GMT -5
So you think Mattel ship product randomly to stores? I just cannot understand why its so hard for you and others to grasp, Mattel do NOT ship to stores, Mattel ship to central hubs, the product is then distributed by the company, this case Walmart, is it really that complex to understand? If i owned 10 stores and ordered product from Mattel but only stocked it in one of my stores, why would you blame Mattel for that? I'm pretty sure that we all understand the concept of store orders product > Mattel ships product > people buy product, however this has been the case with this line for so long that you can't really collect anymore. Please, give me another line from any other toy company that continuously has this problem, with so many different stores at that. I agree with what you're trying to say, but you're also not wanting to hear my point. Wal-Mart can't even order these by the SKU number anymore... so that debunks your case of "it isn't Mattel's fault". Trust me, if I could order myself set then I would have already done so. The entire distribution of this line has been terrible and it's not only just with Wal-Mart. Target was been a disaster when it come to the Hall of Fame, Hall of Champions ect, as well. Toys r' Us going out of business really hurt Mattel's WWE line and I'm sure it threw an huge monkey wrench in lineups and production, but the drastic flip flop of a huge mass production of one line, then nothing for months, then all of a sudden certain places get this line while others can't even order it, but now we're going to discontinue it and make another line is getting a bit ridiculous ... how would you expect a retailer chain such as Wal-Mart, Target or any other company to be able to keep up with something like that, when it's constantly changing. Eventually, these will surface in abundance, so whoever is in panic mode trying to hunt these down are only playing into scalpers hands that already have them ... they're not rare and they won't be a Hall of Fame Cactus Jack scenario ... just wait. Has there been confirmation from anyone at Walmart that they cant order them? Or just someone here said that Doris on the customer service desk couldnt do it? And also, perhaps they have stopped producing it now? If its not available to order how is that a distribution issue? I am also pretty sure that these will show up almost everywhere soon, I have a feeling they are being held back at Walmarts distribution centre/s for the christmas period
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Post by Old School Collector on Nov 30, 2018 10:38:29 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that we all understand the concept of store orders product > Mattel ships product > people buy product, however this has been the case with this line for so long that you can't really collect anymore. Please, give me another line from any other toy company that continuously has this problem, with so many different stores at that. I agree with what you're trying to say, but you're also not wanting to hear my point. Wal-Mart can't even order these by the SKU number anymore... so that debunks your case of "it isn't Mattel's fault". Trust me, if I could order myself set then I would have already done so. The entire distribution of this line has been terrible and it's not only just with Wal-Mart. Target was been a disaster when it come to the Hall of Fame, Hall of Champions ect, as well. Toys r' Us going out of business really hurt Mattel's WWE line and I'm sure it threw an huge monkey wrench in lineups and production, but the drastic flip flop of a huge mass production of one line, then nothing for months, then all of a sudden certain places get this line while others can't even order it, but now we're going to discontinue it and make another line is getting a bit ridiculous ... how would you expect a retailer chain such as Wal-Mart, Target or any other company to be able to keep up with something like that, when it's constantly changing. Eventually, these will surface in abundance, so whoever is in panic mode trying to hunt these down are only playing into scalpers hands that already have them ... they're not rare and they won't be a Hall of Fame Cactus Jack scenario ... just wait. Has there been confirmation from anyone at Walmart that they cant order them? Or just someone here said that Doris on the customer service desk couldnt do it? And also, perhaps they have stopped producing it now? If its not available to order how is that a distribution issue? I am also pretty sure that these will show up almost everywhere soon, I have a feeling they are being held back at Walmarts distribution centre/s for the christmas period Haha ! I'm also would not trust Doris... however old ladies can fool you and their knowledge of plastic men in tights might befuddle you one day. But seriously though, yes I have friends that can verify this and also have spoke with the Dept. Manager at Wal-Mart (Whom I've known for a long time) and she said that it doesn't even register in their ordering system anymore. HOWEVER, she did say that it was still an active item, which leads me to believe that you would be correct in thinking that they'll end up being shipped out for Christmas. I'm thinking that they're going to be included in some sort of Cube / Display sort of thing and then that's it for them. The cube wont have to take up any shelf space, so they won't need a spot designed specifically for them and they're the same price point so if they want to break don the cub/display then they'd just put them on the normal elite spot on the module. Bottom line is, they'll show up soon... I just hope people don't get sucked into buying a Harley Race for $85-$100 shipped right now because they're fearful of never getting it ... this isn't NECA lol.
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Post by nate315 on Nov 30, 2018 11:42:53 GMT -5
Wow. There's a King Harley Race on EBay now, and it's already at $102.50! That's crazy.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Nov 30, 2018 12:46:01 GMT -5
Wow. There's a King Harley Race on EBay now, and it's already at $102.50! That's crazy. The uncertainty of the line's availability will drive up prices. Also given how few there are for sale on the secondary market will also drive up prices. The lack of communication from Mattel on the distribution of the line does not help.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 12:47:17 GMT -5
Mattel arent in charge of Walmart buyers, or their distribution, how can you blame Mattel? Big companies have buyers, they order product that sells well, they order direct from the maker, this case Mattel, Mattel ship it to central Walmart distribution centres, the Walmart distribution centre then ships to stores, to blame Mattel for Walmarts distribution seems naive at best If you blamed Walmarts distribution thats different The product is Mattel's, pretty straightforward IMO. On the back of every package there is a Mattel logo NOT a Walmart or Target logo. Mattel have a responsibility to ensure that the retailers they sell their products to are actually stocking them on their stores' shelves so that consumers are able to purchase them. If product is sitting in a warehouse or stock room somewhere due either to incompetent employees or an incompetent inventory system that hurts both the retailer AND Mattel. If Mattel want to produce more product then they need to ensure that the existing product they are selling to retailers is selling and in order for it to sell it has to be sent to stores and be put out on the sales floor.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Nov 30, 2018 13:01:53 GMT -5
Mattel has a distribution arm that manages its retail relationships. Clearly they are not doing their job of ensuring that Walmart properly stocks their products. Mattel is part of the supply chain process, and given they are the manufacturer, they are responsible for ensuring supply is synced with demand. How do you know what Walmart have ordered though? If I'm reading your comment properly, you are implying that Wal-Mart did not purchase enough. We don't know how many were purchased, but I think it's logical to assume Mattel and Wal-Mart agreed on a guaranteed minimum count that Wal-Mart committed to sell and that Mattel committed to produce. Given the overwhelming demand and underwhelming supply, it's safe to assume there's an issue in the supply chain - either Mattel did not make enough, or Wal-Mart did not purchase enough. If Wal-Mart did not purchase enough, then Mattel should have a clause that permits them to sell the product via other means (RSC, Target, Matty.com, etc.) assuming Wal-Mart does not exercise its right of first refusal. And if the underlying issue is that Wal-Mart has the stock sitting in a DC in Idaho, then Mattel needs to wrangle them to distribute properly before demand withers away and they eventually clog the shelves in three months from now (see Series 2). Jake, though, is selling for $54 on Walmart.com ("1 left!"), which suggests that they do not have any inventory on hand... And last, Mattel should be open with communicating with the community to show they are aware of the issues and working on a resolution. It's baffling how much they have bungled along the way, which only empowers scalpers and damages their good will with its customers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 13:08:08 GMT -5
Mattel arent in charge of Walmart buyers, or their distribution, how can you blame Mattel? Big companies have buyers, they order product that sells well, they order direct from the maker, this case Mattel, Mattel ship it to central Walmart distribution centres, the Walmart distribution centre then ships to stores, to blame Mattel for Walmarts distribution seems naive at best If you blamed Walmarts distribution thats different The product is Mattel's, pretty straightforward IMO. On the back of every package there is a Mattel logo NOT a Walmart or Target logo. Mattel have a responsibility to ensure that the retailers they sell their products to are actually stocking them on their stores' shelves so that consumers are able to purchase them. If product is sitting in a warehouse or stock room somewhere due either to incompetent employees or an incompetent inventory system that hurts both the retailer AND Mattel. If Mattel want to produce more product then they need to ensure that the existing product they are selling to retailers is selling and in order for it to sell it has to be sent to stores and be put out on the sales floor. So you expect Mattel to tell Walmart how to run its distribution centres? Its ridiculous, Walmart is HUGE, its managed distribution all these years so not sure it would apprecuate being told how to handle it now, once Mattel ship it to Walmarts distribution centre, there is absolutely no way of them co trolling how it reaches stores, I get some people are frustrated with not finding stuff on the pegs, but Mattel have ZERO control over that, ZERO, a company orders it, Mattel ship it, its then on the company to distribute, O get it sounds too simple, but thats because it is, its very simple, distribution of these figures has nothing to do with Mattel, unless of course anyone has proof Walmart have ordeded it and it hasnt been shipped, but they dont
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 13:13:20 GMT -5
How do you know what Walmart have ordered though? If I'm reading your comment properly, you are implying that Wal-Mart did not purchase enough. We don't know how many were purchased, but I think it's logical to assume Mattel and Wal-Mart agreed on a guaranteed minimum count that Wal-Mart committed to sell and that Mattel committed to produce. Given the overwhelming demand and underwhelming supply, it's safe to assume there's an issue in the supply chain - either Mattel did not make enough, or Wal-Mart did not purchase enough. If Wal-Mart did not purchase enough, then Mattel should have a clause that permits them to sell the product via other means (RSC, Target, Matty.com, etc.) assuming Wal-Mart does not exercise its right of first refusal. And if the underlying issue is that Wal-Mart has the stock sitting in a DC in Idaho, then Mattel needs to wrangle them to distribute properly before demand withers away and they eventually clog the shelves in three months from now (see Series 2). Jake, though, is selling for $54 on Walmart.com ("1 left!"), which suggests that they do not have any inventory on hand... And last, Mattel should be open with communicating with the community to show they are aware of the issues and working on a resolution. It's baffling how much they have bungled along the way, which only empowers scalpers and damages their good will with its customers. Its safe to assume Walmart ordered the minimim quanity, at least, otherwise they wouldnt have made them. What that quantity is only Mattel and Walmart know. If the quantity theh ordered has been shipped and distributed, there wont be anymore, its already been suggested that Walmart are unable to order more. Mattel wont make product they cant shift, particularly store exclusives, these cannot be ordered by other retailers as they are exclusive to Walmart. As i already said before, Mattel can only send Walmart products they've ordered, if they dont order, Mattel wont randomly ship them stuff And why should Mattel tell us about how their distribution works? We dont nees to know that, they ship stuff to companies that order it, its very very simple, the companies then distribute from their own distribution centres
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Post by buddyboy101 on Nov 30, 2018 13:25:36 GMT -5
If I'm reading your comment properly, you are implying that Wal-Mart did not purchase enough. We don't know how many were purchased, but I think it's logical to assume Mattel and Wal-Mart agreed on a guaranteed minimum count that Wal-Mart committed to sell and that Mattel committed to produce. Given the overwhelming demand and underwhelming supply, it's safe to assume there's an issue in the supply chain - either Mattel did not make enough, or Wal-Mart did not purchase enough. If Wal-Mart did not purchase enough, then Mattel should have a clause that permits them to sell the product via other means (RSC, Target, Matty.com, etc.) assuming Wal-Mart does not exercise its right of first refusal. And if the underlying issue is that Wal-Mart has the stock sitting in a DC in Idaho, then Mattel needs to wrangle them to distribute properly before demand withers away and they eventually clog the shelves in three months from now (see Series 2). Jake, though, is selling for $54 on Walmart.com ("1 left!"), which suggests that they do not have any inventory on hand... And last, Mattel should be open with communicating with the community to show they are aware of the issues and working on a resolution. It's baffling how much they have bungled along the way, which only empowers scalpers and damages their good will with its customers. Its safe to assume Walmart ordered the minimim quanity, at least, otherwise they wouldnt have made them. What that quantity is only Mattel and Walmart know. If the quantity theh ordered has been shipped and distributed, there wont be anymore, its already been suggested that Walmart are unable to order more. Mattel wont make product they cant shift, particularly store exclusives, these cannot be ordered by other retailers as they are exclusive to Walmart. As i already said before, Mattel can only send Walmart products they've ordered, if they dont order, Mattel wont randomly ship them stuff And why should Mattel tell us about how their distribution works? We dont nees to know that, they ship stuff to companies that order it, its very very simple, the companies then distribute from their own distribution centres You speak in absolutes, but it's all speculation on everyone's part, including yours.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 13:32:19 GMT -5
Its safe to assume Walmart ordered the minimim quanity, at least, otherwise they wouldnt have made them. What that quantity is only Mattel and Walmart know. If the quantity theh ordered has been shipped and distributed, there wont be anymore, its already been suggested that Walmart are unable to order more. Mattel wont make product they cant shift, particularly store exclusives, these cannot be ordered by other retailers as they are exclusive to Walmart. As i already said before, Mattel can only send Walmart products they've ordered, if they dont order, Mattel wont randomly ship them stuff And why should Mattel tell us about how their distribution works? We dont nees to know that, they ship stuff to companies that order it, its very very simple, the companies then distribute from their own distribution centres You speak in absolutes, but it's all speculation on everyone's part, including yours. I just go by what we see in stores, and from experience, I was on the buyer team for a fairly large company years ago so know how the process works
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Post by Mongo Bears on Nov 30, 2018 13:32:56 GMT -5
Holy crap...I’m going home and selling my loose Harley Race right away. Also I have build a figure parts I don’t want. And I’m not too attached to my loose Ricky steamboat and moc jake Roberts either.
This could start me sellin off everything perhaps
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Post by powerfred3k on Nov 30, 2018 13:52:53 GMT -5
All these retailer exclusives need to just end. It's not making it better, it's doing the exact opposite.
If anyone at mattel is reading this, end all these exclusives !!!
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Post by legendsguy on Nov 30, 2018 13:56:44 GMT -5
Holy crap...I’m going home and selling my loose Harley Race right away. Also I have build a figure parts I don’t want. And I’m not too attached to my loose Ricky steamboat and moc jake Roberts either. This could start me sellin off everything perhaps honestly I don't blame you if you did.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2018 14:11:08 GMT -5
According to Bill they were trying to avoid another Tito situation, so they short packed Harley and out an extra Stone Cold in. Well that is just a ridiculous things to say, its a 4 figure baf set. You need 4 figures to make the build the entire thing. I am going to call that a big heaping pile of bullcrap. They had to actually spend money on making a completely new figure. The other 3 are mostly reused figure/parts. So thats why he is short packed, that and they don't care. They knew people want new figures of people mattel has never made before. This is a pretty logical argument, lol. It's a strange business decision on their part for sure.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Nov 30, 2018 14:11:56 GMT -5
wish MDT could chime in and let us know something!
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