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Post by MichaelTheMartian on Apr 3, 2019 9:29:35 GMT -5
There is a serious problem with how many guys WWE has on there rosters, the amount of talent who's value has decreased IMMENSELY over the last few months is insane. From Rusev, Nakamura, Kevin Owens, EC3, Ambrose, Roode, there is just wayy too many guys that deserve a whole lot better that there simply isn't enough room for and due to that there stock has gone way down. AEW hasn't come at a better time, and hopefully a lot of these guys jump ship because there really isn't much of an opportunity for these guys in the WWE with there stock staying high at the same time.
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Post by Decky on Apr 3, 2019 9:34:35 GMT -5
I've thought this for a while. Apart from the big four, I preferred SD and Raw PPVs instead of dual brand.
More people got a little more time to shine.
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Post by Gargano on Apr 3, 2019 9:35:45 GMT -5
True. Right now WWE are hiring everyone they can to keep them away from other companies, which is a smart move. But when you have sh't like NXT UK and 205 Live, that literally no one watches... It becomes a problem. WWE has more talent than demand for said talent.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Apr 3, 2019 9:36:06 GMT -5
yeah its getting to the point where if they got rid of all lower card guys theyd still be jam packed.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 3, 2019 10:07:56 GMT -5
AEW isn't going to take all of these guys on. Cody will likely have his buddies come over. Guys like Ziggler, Perfect 10 and Breezango. I'm sure the door is open for Ambrose. The Good Brothers are OGBC so I definitely expect them to go, but AEW isn't going to be able to take every guy who isn't being used or who is unhappy in WWE. I expect them to have a two hour weekly show with once a month PPVs and they're already all about exposing guys who haven't been in that machine like Pentagon and Fenix, Jungle Boy, and Jimmy Havoc. Plus, the king of hardcore Michael Nakazawa!
We've also heard that Smackdown is going three hours just like Raw. So in theory that should open up more time for some of these guys. I think the reality is that if guys like EC3 take their shot in WWE and they can't get on TV then there is nothing wrong with going back to a place like Impact and being the big fish in the little pond on that show. That being said, I just think EC3 came up at the wrong time and he'll still make his way up the card. I'm just happy Roode already won a title in WWE. Same with Joe. Not saying there isn't more there to be done with them, especially if Roode turns heel, but at least they got a piece of the pie, albeit not the one they probably deserve.
There is only so much room. It's good for business to have all of these talented performers. As long as those talented performers are willing to walk away and take a chance on themselves. Ambrose leaving is awesome and I'm excited to see where he goes. Guys like Angle and Christian leaving in the mid 2000s was great for fans. We got matches against guys like Sting, AJ and Joe that never would have happened in WWE at that time. Really the same deal with the Hardys. So the performers really have to just get up and say it's not working out or I'm not happy and go. Cody created an empire because he hated being Stardust.
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 3, 2019 10:34:45 GMT -5
AEW isn't going to take all of these guys on. Cody will likely have his buddies come over. Guys like Ziggler, Perfect 10 and Breezango. I'm sure the door is open for Ambrose. The Good Brothers are OGBC so I definitely expect them to go, but AEW isn't going to be able to take every guy who isn't being used or who is unhappy in WWE. I expect them to have a two hour weekly show with once a month PPVs and they're already all about exposing guys who haven't been in that machine like Pentagon and Fenix, Jungle Boy, and Jimmy Havoc. Plus, the king of hardcore Michael Nakazawa! We've also heard that Smackdown is going three hours just like Raw. So in theory that should open up more time for some of these guys. I think the reality is that if guys like EC3 take their shot in WWE and they can't get on TV then there is nothing wrong with going back to a place like Impact and being the big fish in the little pond on that show. That being said, I just think EC3 came up at the wrong time and he'll still make his way up the card. I'm just happy Roode already won a title in WWE. Same with Joe. Not saying there isn't more there to be done with them, especially if Roode turns heel, but at least they got a piece of the pie, albeit not the one they probably deserve. There is only so much room. It's good for business to have all of these talented performers. As long as those talented performers are willing to walk away and take a chance on themselves. Ambrose leaving is awesome and I'm excited to see where he goes. Guys like Angle and Christian leaving in the mid 2000s was great for fans. We got matches against guys like Sting, AJ and Joe that never would have happened in WWE at that time. Really the same deal with the Hardys. So the performers really have to just get up and say it's not working out or I'm not happy and go. Cody created an empire because he hated being Stardust. Agreed 100%. We'll have to see how the whole industry adapts because things are not in equilibrium right now. Those 6 NXT call ups at the beginning of the year was NOT the right thing to do. Ciampa is injured, we haven't seen Gargano, Lacey never wrestles, Lars is MIA, and EC3 has done nothing of quality. Ricochet and Black are the only ones who have been consistently used. WWE is clearly in panick mode, trying to start and stop things while building WM. This should have been saved until AFTER WM when they have more time and opportunity. So much of Raw has been spent on part-time acts like Triple H, Batista, Brock Lesnar, and Kurt Angle. If those extra hours were used building new and underutilized talent, everyone would be in better shape. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 3, 2019 11:13:06 GMT -5
AEW isn't going to take all of these guys on. Cody will likely have his buddies come over. Guys like Ziggler, Perfect 10 and Breezango. I'm sure the door is open for Ambrose. The Good Brothers are OGBC so I definitely expect them to go, but AEW isn't going to be able to take every guy who isn't being used or who is unhappy in WWE. I expect them to have a two hour weekly show with once a month PPVs and they're already all about exposing guys who haven't been in that machine like Pentagon and Fenix, Jungle Boy, and Jimmy Havoc. Plus, the king of hardcore Michael Nakazawa! We've also heard that Smackdown is going three hours just like Raw. So in theory that should open up more time for some of these guys. I think the reality is that if guys like EC3 take their shot in WWE and they can't get on TV then there is nothing wrong with going back to a place like Impact and being the big fish in the little pond on that show. That being said, I just think EC3 came up at the wrong time and he'll still make his way up the card. I'm just happy Roode already won a title in WWE. Same with Joe. Not saying there isn't more there to be done with them, especially if Roode turns heel, but at least they got a piece of the pie, albeit not the one they probably deserve. There is only so much room. It's good for business to have all of these talented performers. As long as those talented performers are willing to walk away and take a chance on themselves. Ambrose leaving is awesome and I'm excited to see where he goes. Guys like Angle and Christian leaving in the mid 2000s was great for fans. We got matches against guys like Sting, AJ and Joe that never would have happened in WWE at that time. Really the same deal with the Hardys. So the performers really have to just get up and say it's not working out or I'm not happy and go. Cody created an empire because he hated being Stardust. Agreed 100%. We'll have to see how the whole industry adapts because things are not in equilibrium right now. Those 6 NXT call ups at the beginning of the year was NOT the right thing to do. Ciampa is injured, we haven't seen Gargano, Lacey never wrestles, Lars is MIA, and EC3 has done nothing of quality. Ricochet and Black are the only ones who have been consistently used. WWE is clearly in panick mode, trying to start and stop things while building WM. This should have been saved until AFTER WM when they have more time and opportunity. So much of Raw has been spent on part-time acts like Triple H, Batista, Brock Lesnar, and Kurt Angle. If those extra hours were used building new and underutilized talent, everyone would be in better shape. I think WWE is to the point where they're past needing part-time acts. That's really what's nice about having so much talent. I'm five times more excited to see a guy come up from NXT and get an opportunity than I am about a nostalgia act between old guys who are past their prime. I don't miss Cena. I don't miss Taker. I could never see Brock wrestle ever again and I wouldn't miss him. The Batista deal is a little different because it's more of an apology match to Batista than anything else, and I think that's a good use of Triple H, but if it didn't happen I don't think the Mania card would lose anything. I still can't wrap my head around why Shane is taking up a prominent spot at Mania still. I'm always going to love those guys but unless it's something super special one-off like the Rock or a Taker/HBK double retirement match, then we have to move forward. WCW got stuck because they didn't make way for new talent and WWE has come dangerously close to doing that for years. |
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 3, 2019 11:38:40 GMT -5
I see no real issue with the number of talent. The issue is creative. Most of their problems could be fixed through good booking or writing. They are starting to put some more effort in now but it needs to be increased.
No increased number of titles, brand splits or firings would help. Just write and book properly.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Apr 3, 2019 12:24:15 GMT -5
They're still employing the strategy of gobbling up big Indy names to keep them away from possible "competitors". Before they could just hide them in regional developmental promotions like OVW, DSW, FCW, etc. But now that their developmental NXT system is broadcast worldwide there isn't a good way to do that. So to keep talent moving into NXT and outta the reach of others, the only solution is to move guys onto the main roster and let 'em rot.
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Post by Chip on Apr 3, 2019 13:02:13 GMT -5
cant judge the past 2 months because not everyone can have a Wrestlemania storyline, and nothing else is really important to the WWE until after 'Mania
Owens was hurt, and his comeback story was actually booked horribly. However they have leveled it out and clearly believe he's a top guy for them going forward. Just an example...but a lot of other guys are floundering because the writers only focus on a certain amount of characters at a time. There's too many writers focusing on not enough things. The shows are all over the place, the amount of hours they have a week should be more than enough to manage some good varying stories but they don't care.
All Vince cares about is selling the BRAND. His motivation is quantity over quality now.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 3, 2019 13:57:01 GMT -5
Oh boy, another "THESE GUYS I LIKE AREN'T GETTING PUSHED, THEY SHOULD JUMP TO AEW~!" thread.
Yawn.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Apr 3, 2019 14:51:05 GMT -5
True. Right now WWE are hiring everyone they can to keep them away from other companies, which is a smart move. But when you have sh't like NXT UK and 205 Live, that literally no one watches... It becomes a problem. WWE has more talent than demand for said talent. I don’t know where the whole no one watches UK comes from? They apparently get decent watch numbers and are doing so well they are going to start touring in the summer? I also think 205 most weeks is a great show. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 3, 2019 15:10:17 GMT -5
I feel like the WWE doesn't have ENOUGH talent!
They must sign everyone!! Run wrestling shows 24/7 on the WWE Network.
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Post by marino13 on Apr 3, 2019 15:37:14 GMT -5
I love how everyone is acting like AEW is going to solve world hunger, find the cure for cancer, and stop poverty. Could we at least let them have a show before we proclaim them the greatest thing in the history of life?
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 3, 2019 15:52:15 GMT -5
I love how everyone is acting like AEW is going to solve world hunger, find the cure for cancer, and top poverty. Could we at least let them have a show before we proclaim them the greatest thing in the history of life?  |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Apr 3, 2019 16:12:12 GMT -5
I love how everyone is acting like AEW is going to solve world hunger, find the cure for cancer, and top poverty. Could we at least let them have a show before we proclaim them the greatest thing in the history of life? I agree. |
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Apr 3, 2019 16:13:34 GMT -5
Wwe has too many talent that is being buried. With all the time they have on TV they wasting talent, with all these long promos.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 3, 2019 19:51:22 GMT -5
You think guys are being wasted in WWE? Imagine being signed to a company that hasnt event put on a match in 4 months.
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Post by k5 on Apr 3, 2019 22:28:40 GMT -5
when you’re juggling that many balls you’re bound to drop a few. I’d like a rehabilitation of creativity in wrestling, and I don’t think talent numbers would be an issue at all.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Apr 3, 2019 22:57:27 GMT -5
I've said this for years. Fans are too hard to please though " **** isn't being used" " 3 hours of raw is too long" of course the talent pool is too high but how can they feature everyone if smackdown does indeed go to e hours as rumored people will complain even if it does mean more screen time for the likes of Sanity and EC3.
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