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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 30, 2019 11:45:07 GMT -5
This. Exactly. I mean, as limited/hard-to-find as it was, King Harley was available... and if you wanted him badly enough, you could have got one. If we're getting another Harley figure (or release), I'd much rather it be a different (ie. NWA) version. see thats the thing. this particular release was bit different. they shipped SOME out then canceled the line. as you KNOW SOOOOO many walmarts never got the series, but everyone was thinking the stores would get a set at least. so when the figs were $50 before christmas we all thought we'd still find the set in our stores. then the fig price jumped to $150-$400 in no time and we realized there are no more coming and zero word from mattel. that is BS. lucky for you guys that you got em. i guess F the rest of us because that line got canceled just as it was coming out. i have life and cant afford that kind of price for a fig but was one here with the king in purple (not NWA) on my want lists everytime. had i known SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many Walmarts were not going to get the set at all, id have spent the $50-$100 for Harley or $150 or so for the set back in December. again, pick another fig to play we got one you didnt too bad for you then Harley with the issues that were when it was released. Jeez, id never want others collecters to miss out JUST so i could have that rare fig, esp when we all clamour together to get these figs made. I don't want an NWA version. I only want the king. Paying $250 to get him off of ebay is the same as it being unavailable, as its ing ludicrous to expect anyone to pay that for a ing action figure. They should all be readily available. To this day the only figures I've never found in stores are E1 Jeff Hardy and Race (although no Dunne yet either). To the guy that said 'it was released, so if you wanted it bad enough you could've gotten one' is wrong. If you got one, great for you, have a balloon. For most of us this was E1 Hardy part 2. Most people didn't get a REASONABLE shot at it. I found Sherri, found Backlund, found Wolfe. That's how it should be. Chases should be difficult but not impossible. I never even saw the ing series in stores, then they cancelled the line mid go. I blame Mattel over Wal-Mart because the vast majority of Wal-Marts never got the series before it was cancelled so a massive number of people who wanted it never could get it. Yes, the previous series was far too abundant. There's no doubt in my mind that this could've been handled better. An NWA version would feel like a slap in the face to those of us who only wanted the King. There's no reason why this shouldn't be re-released, even if it's only one per case The thing is though - I've seen plenty of people say how much they want/wanted King Harley, but then "refuse" to pay $50-$100 for him (or sometimes anything over retail). That's their choice. Is it fair that they/we should have to pay that for a single figure? Heck no - but that's just the way things are sometimes... life can be unfair(!). I'm in the UK and Harley was never even released here - so it sucked big time (...I had ZERO chance of ever finding one). I wanted the figure though, so ended up paying just over $100 for one on eBay... other people could have done the same if they really wanted one (for a long time he was around the $50-$100 mark). I also paid eBay prices for the Flashback 3 Steamboat and Jake... did I want to pay these prices? No - but I wanted the figures, so bit the bullet... it just meant I had to cut down quite a bit on the current figures/Elites. And I know some people were waiting for stores to get more in - but that's the gamble you have to take: I was waiting too, but could see the ebay prices going up and up... so thought it better to get one before the price got too crazy - and if there are more found in stores later, then so be it. I know the way Harley was released is really annoying and I don't mean to sound harsh... but if someone in another country could get the figure, then others could have too: he was available, one way or another.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 30, 2019 12:16:14 GMT -5
The thing is though - I've seen plenty of people say how much they want/wanted King Harley, but then "refuse" to pay $50-$100 for him (or sometimes anything over retail). That's their choice. Is it fair that they/we should have to pay that for a single figure? Heck no - but that's just the way things are sometimes... life can be unfair(!). I'm in the UK and Harley was never even released here - so it sucked big time (...I had ZERO chance of ever finding one). I wanted the figure though, so ended up paying just over $100 for one on eBay... other people could have done the same if they really wanted one (for a long time he was around the $50-$100 mark). I also paid eBay prices for the Flashback 3 Steamboat and Jake... did I want to pay these prices? No - but I wanted the figures, so bit the bullet... it just meant I had to cut down quite a bit on the current figures/Elites. And I know some people were waiting for stores to get more in - but that's the gamble you have to take: I was waiting too, but could see the ebay prices going up and up... so thought it better to get one before the price got too crazy - and if there are more found in stores later, then so be it. I know the way Harley was released is really annoying and I don't mean to sound harsh... but if someone in another country could get the figure, then others could have too: he was available, one way or another. We're going to have to agree to disagree on what constitutes availability, because any efforts that require an unreasonable level of effort or money can not be considered availability. I don't have 100 plus dollars to spend on one figure even if I wanted to. You don't represent the majority of buyers, chasing auctions and paying ridiculous prices for one figure. From your perspective anyone could've gotten the 1/5 Ultimate Warriors or E1 Hardy if they 'wanted them enough'. Yes I could've payed hundreds. There is one on ebay right now for 200 and the whole series is available for 400 if you don't care about the cape and crown (which the douchebag probably sold for 20 apiece). To a reasonable person who doesn't have a Brinks truck for every rare figure this was not reasonably available. To those who have tried ebay (which I checked out of curiocity) it's not like there were an abundance of buy it nows when they were there. The competition was still stiff, so it can be reasonably argued that even someone with the means could've missed out. Many of us have jobs and real lives. This is a hobby that we are serious about, but there are always reasonable limits. 4x or more for a mass produced, supposedly mass released item that you still have to dedicate time to fight other collectors for online are not conditions that a reasonable person would call available. But there is one 'available' right now for 200. I'll pass.
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Post by CampCornette on Apr 30, 2019 12:52:33 GMT -5
I agree with bill maxwell
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Post by Decky on Apr 30, 2019 14:17:05 GMT -5
That Cancelled TRU Mailaway Mankind became a Amazon exclusive Another good one! Also we need another chance to get a Michael Cole.
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 30, 2019 14:34:36 GMT -5
The thing is though - I've seen plenty of people say how much they want/wanted King Harley, but then "refuse" to pay $50-$100 for him (or sometimes anything over retail). That's their choice. Is it fair that they/we should have to pay that for a single figure? Heck no - but that's just the way things are sometimes... life can be unfair(!). I'm in the UK and Harley was never even released here - so it sucked big time (...I had ZERO chance of ever finding one). I wanted the figure though, so ended up paying just over $100 for one on eBay... other people could have done the same if they really wanted one (for a long time he was around the $50-$100 mark). I also paid eBay prices for the Flashback 3 Steamboat and Jake... did I want to pay these prices? No - but I wanted the figures, so bit the bullet... it just meant I had to cut down quite a bit on the current figures/Elites. And I know some people were waiting for stores to get more in - but that's the gamble you have to take: I was waiting too, but could see the ebay prices going up and up... so thought it better to get one before the price got too crazy - and if there are more found in stores later, then so be it. I know the way Harley was released is really annoying and I don't mean to sound harsh... but if someone in another country could get the figure, then others could have too: he was available, one way or another. We're going to have to agree to disagree on what constitutes availability, because any efforts that require an unreasonable level of effort or money can not be considered availability. I don't have 100 plus dollars to spend on one figure even if I wanted to. You don't represent the majority of buyers, chasing auctions and paying ridiculous prices for one figure. From your perspective anyone could've gotten the 1/5 Ultimate Warriors or E1 Hardy if they 'wanted them enough'. Yes I could've payed hundreds. There is one on ebay right now for 200 and the whole series is available for 400 if you don't care about the cape and crown (which the douchebag probably sold for 20 apiece). To a reasonable person who doesn't have a Brinks truck for every rare figure this was not reasonably available. To those who have tried ebay (which I checked out of curiocity) it's not like there were an abundance of buy it nows when they were there. The competition was still stiff, so it can be reasonably argued that even someone with the means could've missed out. Many of us have jobs and real lives. This is a hobby that we are serious about, but there are always reasonable limits. 4x or more for a mass produced, supposedly mass released item that you still have to dedicate time to fight other collectors for online are not conditions that a reasonable person would call available. But there is one 'available' right now for 200. I'll pass. People did find Harley in stores though (I think PJ actually found 2!)... they also found the others in the series - or just Stone Cold (suggesting Harley and the others had already been sold). So he was released/out there... a limited release/only at certain stores (and 1 per-case), but available none the less. And you guys in the States had a much better chance of finding one than us guys in Europe and Australia, lol. From what I recall, Harley was fairly easily available on eBay for months - people just didn't want to spend $50+ at the time or wanted to wait and see if their stores would eventually get them. I saw him quite a few times at $50, $75, $90 - but always delayed buying him, thinking he'd become more easily available in stores. And FWIW, I'm in my mid-40's and have a job, responsibilities and a real life... I've also been collecting for 25 years and don't think $50-$100 is ridiculous for a figure that I really want. I can understand why others feel differently, but I'd rather just cut back my spending on other/current figures accordingly (ie. I'd rather have a figure like Harley over 5 of the latest Elites).
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 30, 2019 15:01:18 GMT -5
That Cancelled TRU Mailaway Mankind became a Amazon exclusive Another good one! Also we need another chance to get a Michael Cole. He looks different now from when his BAF came out, I agree he needs an update.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Apr 30, 2019 15:37:25 GMT -5
see thats the thing. this particular release was bit different. they shipped SOME out then canceled the line. as you KNOW SOOOOO many walmarts never got the series, but everyone was thinking the stores would get a set at least. so when the figs were $50 before christmas we all thought we'd still find the set in our stores. then the fig price jumped to $150-$400 in no time and we realized there are no more coming and zero word from mattel. that is BS. lucky for you guys that you got em. i guess F the rest of us because that line got canceled just as it was coming out. i have life and cant afford that kind of price for a fig but was one here with the king in purple (not NWA) on my want lists everytime. had i known SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many Walmarts were not going to get the set at all, id have spent the $50-$100 for Harley or $150 or so for the set back in December. again, pick another fig to play we got one you didnt too bad for you then Harley with the issues that were when it was released. Jeez, id never want others collecters to miss out JUST so i could have that rare fig, esp when we all clamour together to get these figs made. I don't want an NWA version. I only want the king. Paying $250 to get him off of ebay is the same as it being unavailable, as its ing ludicrous to expect anyone to pay that for a ing action figure. They should all be readily available. To this day the only figures I've never found in stores are E1 Jeff Hardy and Race (although no Dunne yet either). To the guy that said 'it was released, so if you wanted it bad enough you could've gotten one' is wrong. If you got one, great for you, have a balloon. For most of us this was E1 Hardy part 2. Most people didn't get a REASONABLE shot at it. I found Sherri, found Backlund, found Wolfe. That's how it should be. Chases should be difficult but not impossible. I never even saw the ing series in stores, then they cancelled the line mid go. I blame Mattel over Wal-Mart because the vast majority of Wal-Marts never got the series before it was cancelled so a massive number of people who wanted it never could get it. Yes, the previous series was far too abundant. There's no doubt in my mind that this could've been handled better. An NWA version would feel like a slap in the face to those of us who only wanted the King. There's no reason why this shouldn't be re-released, even if it's only one per case The thing is though - I've seen plenty of people say how much they want/wanted King Harley, but then "refuse" to pay $50-$100 for him (or sometimes anything over retail). That's their choice. Is it fair that they/we should have to pay that for a single figure? Heck no - but that's just the way things are sometimes... life can be unfair(!). I'm in the UK and Harley was never even released here - so it sucked big time (...I had ZERO chance of ever finding one). I wanted the figure though, so ended up paying just over $100 for one on eBay... other people could have done the same if they really wanted one (for a long time he was around the $50-$100 mark). I also paid eBay prices for the Flashback 3 Steamboat and Jake... did I want to pay these prices? No - but I wanted the figures, so bit the bullet... it just meant I had to cut down quite a bit on the current figures/Elites. And I know some people were waiting for stores to get more in - but that's the gamble you have to take: I was waiting too, but could see the ebay prices going up and up... so thought it better to get one before the price got too crazy - and if there are more found in stores later, then so be it. I know the way Harley was released is really annoying and I don't mean to sound harsh... but if someone in another country could get the figure, then others could have too: he was available, one way or another. but we all thought he was or would be coming to one of the 8 walmarts by me as we get these figs. we didnt know the line was cancled and half or more walmarts werent getting the set. i would have paid the $50-$100 for him, but the alla of the sudden the figure is at over $200, up $400 before we knew it and THEN found out they cancelled the line. you klnew you werent getting him there so you snagged him up at the $50-$100 range which was for like a whole month. no any collector would understand and want his fellow collectors to get a chance at that fig or its just caring about yourself and saying F others. im the one who was trying to get hercs family hooked up with mattel/bill and get us all a herc fig and if that happened to anyone id want a rerelease so everyone could get one. that was BS how it was released. and i just said why we didnt grab it at $50 like u did.
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Post by Rattlehead on Apr 30, 2019 15:40:53 GMT -5
Though I have King Harley I vouch for a new release or rerelease.
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Post by BCizzle on Apr 30, 2019 15:58:03 GMT -5
I want the whole set, not just Harley Race.
And it would be nice if the Fan Central 3 figs showed up, too. And how about making Backlund and Sherri more than 1 per store? Or better yet, how about making them available online so we can give Mattel our money?
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Post by mcfclee on Apr 30, 2019 16:12:00 GMT -5
I want the whole set as well. I’d settle for Harley and Jake tho.
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Post by 666erickana on Apr 30, 2019 17:14:02 GMT -5
Since i own the harley race figure, i dont want a rerelease, but i understand your wish. Maybe a harley race as his manager stint in wcw ?
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Post by bigjohnnybadd on Apr 30, 2019 17:39:11 GMT -5
While I totally understand wanting to own a rare figure that not many others have, I do not at all understand the joy that some people take in the misery of their fellow collectors. If I had a Harley, I wouldn't love it any less just because more than a few people have it as well. So what if something gets rereleased? If you already have it, then you don't have to buy it again. But don't wish for it to never see the light of day again, just so that you and a select few can feel better about your collection...
Me personally, I am really hoping for that Jake to see the light of day again. It's not fair that such an iconic attire, my definitive Jake, saw such a limited release.
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Post by 666erickana on Apr 30, 2019 18:15:19 GMT -5
I understand your point. I have the jake figure and its a really cool figure. But just a example, i missed the rick model martel fig, and i really wanted that this figure to get a rerelease, but after a while, i knew that mattel will never do this, so i bought that damn martel figure from ebay at big price. I know it sucks, but if mattel rerelease all the figs , it took spot for another figure, and the collector will be not happy. Its a unwritten rules in the world of collecting, you dont rerelease fig with a really big demand.its the same thing for any collectibles like star wars, gijoe, barbie , sports cards etc...
So if people want a harley race figure, just hope for a nwa or a wcw mgr version. Maybe jake roberts can get another figure from his 1996 stint, in another color. Sadly harley as a king , used only 1 color during his king stint from 1986 to 1989. Maybe his "king nothing persona" from late 1988 to royal rumble without his crown, as a tweener.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Apr 30, 2019 19:52:41 GMT -5
I understand your point. I have the jake figure and its a really cool figure. But just a example, i missed the rick model martel fig, and i really wanted that this figure to get a rerelease, but after a while, i knew that mattel will never do this, so i bought that damn martel figure from ebay at big price. I know it sucks, but if mattel rerelease all the figs , it took spot for another figure, and the collector will be not happy. Its a unwritten rules in the world of collecting, you dont rerelease fig with a really big demand.its the same thing for any collectibles like star wars, gijoe, barbie , sports cards etc... So if people want a harley race figure, just hope for a nwa or a wcw mgr version. Maybe jake roberts can get another figure from his 1996 stint, in another color. Sadly harley as a king , used only 1 color during his king stint from 1986 to 1989. Maybe his "king nothing persona" from late 1988 to royal rumble without his crown, as a tweener. 1 difference is your talking about legends released a long time ago, harley was released 6 months ago and there was an issue with the release and it being cancled mid-chub. ive payed for early legends too, but no reason this set shoudnt get another go or each fig released again (except austin). but again, like dude above said, so i had to pay big for other figs i dont hope figs dont get rereleased so others cant get em and mine sits on shelf more rare then. it shouldnt be "well i had to pay big for martel, so too bad for you guys, you can hope for nwa harley", it should be "yea it sucks when you have to pay big for a fig, but seeing how most of my fellow collectors here didnt get a harley, and it was BS they cancled it as it was coming out, i hope they re-release it at some point for ya guys".
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 30, 2019 20:13:07 GMT -5
Are we really comparing a figure that hit store shelves to a figure that was literally cancelled and never left the factory?
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Post by SteveHulk on Apr 30, 2019 21:41:23 GMT -5
but we all thought he was or would be coming to one of the 8 walmarts by me as we get these figs. we didnt know the line was cancled and half or more walmarts werent getting the set. i would have paid the $50-$100 for him, but the alla of the sudden the figure is at over $200, up $400 before we knew it and THEN found out they cancelled the line. you klnew you werent getting him there so you snagged him up at the $50-$100 range which was for like a whole month. no any collector would understand and want his fellow collectors to get a chance at that fig or its just caring about yourself and saying F others. im the one who was trying to get hercs family hooked up with mattel/bill and get us all a herc fig and if that happened to anyone id want a rerelease so everyone could get one. that was BS how it was released. and i just said why we didnt grab it at $50 like u did. I paid $111 for mine - and I was in pretty much the same situation as everyone else: wait to see if more Walmarts started getting them in (therefore becoming much easier to find - and cheaper on eBay) or bite the bullet and buy the figure before the prices got out of hand... I chose the latter, as there hadn't been any new store findings in quite a while - and the secondary market prices kept getting higher and higher. The figure had been out at least 2 and half months by now too. I agree the way King Harley was released was BS - and if any figure deserved a rerelease, it's this one. But (unlike the E1 Jeff Hardy for example) the figure was released and available... no matter how limited or difficult he was to find.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 7:00:32 GMT -5
As long its not another King, great, one is enough, maybe as an exclusive again would be ideal
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on May 1, 2019 10:03:33 GMT -5
Low production numbers were the reason he was so hard to find. Stores would get a case or two and people would buy up whole sets, making it seem like the stores never even got them. Also, doesn’t help when there’s a whole forum clamoring about one figure. That drives up demand for said figure and inevitably makes it harder to find at retail. It’s not just one forum clamoring for him. Numerous forums, Facebook groups, collectors on social media. I’m blessed I found one on the pegs.
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Post by Medieval on May 1, 2019 10:27:10 GMT -5
If these pop up at let's say Ollies they will only receive one case at a time with 1 Harley per case. Sure the price of the other 3 will drop a bit on eBay. But his price will remain close to the same. Unless he is widely released in let's say next year's wrestlemania wave.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on May 1, 2019 11:36:00 GMT -5
We're going to have to agree to disagree on what constitutes availability, because any efforts that require an unreasonable level of effort or money can not be considered availability. I don't have 100 plus dollars to spend on one figure even if I wanted to. You don't represent the majority of buyers, chasing auctions and paying ridiculous prices for one figure. From your perspective anyone could've gotten the 1/5 Ultimate Warriors or E1 Hardy if they 'wanted them enough'. Yes I could've payed hundreds. There is one on ebay right now for 200 and the whole series is available for 400 if you don't care about the cape and crown (which the douchebag probably sold for 20 apiece). To a reasonable person who doesn't have a Brinks truck for every rare figure this was not reasonably available. To those who have tried ebay (which I checked out of curiocity) it's not like there were an abundance of buy it nows when they were there. The competition was still stiff, so it can be reasonably argued that even someone with the means could've missed out. Many of us have jobs and real lives. This is a hobby that we are serious about, but there are always reasonable limits. 4x or more for a mass produced, supposedly mass released item that you still have to dedicate time to fight other collectors for online are not conditions that a reasonable person would call available. But there is one 'available' right now for 200. I'll pass. People did find Harley in stores though (I think PJ actually found 2!)... they also found the others in the series - or just Stone Cold (suggesting Harley and the others had already been sold). So he was released/out there... a limited release/only at certain stores (and 1 per-case), but available none the less. And you guys in the States had a much better chance of finding one than us guys in Europe and Australia, lol. From what I recall, Harley was fairly easily available on eBay for months - people just didn't want to spend $50+ at the time or wanted to wait and see if their stores would eventually get them. I saw him quite a few times at $50, $75, $90 - but always delayed buying him, thinking he'd become more easily available in stores. And FWIW, I'm in my mid-40's and have a job, responsibilities and a real life... I've also been collecting for 25 years and don't think $50-$100 is ridiculous for a figure that I really want. I can understand why others feel differently, but I'd rather just cut back my spending on other/current figures accordingly (ie. I'd rather have a figure like Harley over 5 of the latest Elites). How dare people refuse to pay 5 times the retail price of a plastic doll. They’re not real Harley Race fans.
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