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Post by hitmancmedge on Feb 27, 2020 12:47:07 GMT -5
Touching on the Cena episode, it really makes you wonder where things would have went had Cena been let go before finding his Rapping gimmick. Always was surprised Jindrak didn’t become a star even without Evolution. Guy had a good look for the time and it sounds like Vince was behind him. The evolution episode made it seem like hunter really stuck it to Jindrak and that spelled his downfall. It did seem like Hunter had it out for Jindrak. Either he just plain didn’t like him (which would make little sense considering he put up with Orton’s antics), or Mark did or said something that just turned Hunter against him. Jindrak did get another chance on SD as apart of Team Angle 2.0, but I think his lack of charisma and being teamed with Luther Reigns did him no favors in addition to his bad attitude. Where as Orton had two top guys backing him up, Jindrak didn’t have anyone backing him to overlook his bad attitude. Jindrak got a million chances, he was the reflection of perfection Mark Jindrak as well w/Teddy Long as manager and it was every generic heel you have ever seen, then Team Angle and then he got one last ditch effort on house shows and velocity after mania 21 doing another same ole cocky heel schtick.
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Post by A-Rob on Feb 27, 2020 13:51:41 GMT -5
The Evolution episode has been the best one so far. It's the same story as the other epsiodes, no new information with great backstage footage.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 27, 2020 17:13:52 GMT -5
It did seem like Hunter had it out for Jindrak. Either he just plain didn’t like him (which would make little sense considering he put up with Orton’s antics), or Mark did or said something that just turned Hunter against him. Jindrak did get another chance on SD as apart of Team Angle 2.0, but I think his lack of charisma and being teamed with Luther Reigns did him no favors in addition to his bad attitude. Where as Orton had two top guys backing him up, Jindrak didn’t have anyone backing him to overlook his bad attitude. Jindrak got a million chances, he was the reflection of perfection Mark Jindrak as well w/Teddy Long as manager and it was every generic heel you have ever seen, then Team Angle and then he got one last ditch effort on house shows and velocity after mania 21 doing another same ole cocky heel schtick. That’s why I mentioned his lack of charisma. He got plenty of chance, but a combo of a bad attitude with nobody to back him up and his lack of charisma were the end of him in the WWE.
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Post by JP on Mar 2, 2020 11:23:46 GMT -5
Episode 4 is pretty weak in my opinion. Literally nothing in it that we haven't heard before, and obviously Brock wasn't interviewed for it which hurt the narrative I think.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 2, 2020 11:45:05 GMT -5
Touching on the Cena episode, it really makes you wonder where things would have went had Cena been let go before finding his Rapping gimmick. Always was surprised Jindrak didn’t become a star even without Evolution. Guy had a good look for the time and it sounds like Vince was behind him. The evolution episode made it seem like hunter really stuck it to Jindrak and that spelled his downfall. Jindrak got over huge in Mexico, so the problem wasnt him...
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Mar 2, 2020 12:25:44 GMT -5
Touching on the Cena episode, it really makes you wonder where things would have went had Cena been let go before finding his Rapping gimmick. Always was surprised Jindrak didn’t become a star even without Evolution. Guy had a good look for the time and it sounds like Vince was behind him. The evolution episode made it seem like hunter really stuck it to Jindrak and that spelled his downfall. Jindrak got over huge in Mexico, so the problem wasnt him... I didn’t say it was him. I even tried to imply that it seemed like Hunter kept him down to a degree.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 2, 2020 12:33:26 GMT -5
Jindrak got over huge in Mexico, so the problem wasnt him... I didn’t say it was him. I even tried to imply that it seemed like Hunter kept him down to a degree. Exactly. It has to be what happened behind the scenes. Or maybe the company just didn't see anything in him, which was common for a lot of guys on the roster at that time.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Mar 5, 2020 20:21:14 GMT -5
The Brock episode was good, I found it more entertaining than his biographical DVDs. Amazing how much WWE have given him on a plate during his second run considering he sh*t on them by leaving in 2004.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Mar 5, 2020 23:10:19 GMT -5
I am loving this series so far, a great trip down memory lane. Is there any other episodes planned? I would love to see a series based on the Golden Era and the New Generation too! New Gen would be really interesting to see - if it's honest. If they try to pass 1995 off as anything other than what it was, nobody will find it credible. They've already spun that one before lol. In the opening of the first Attitude Era DVD, they claimed the business was on very good ground and the New Gen would have eventually bloomed into the juggernaut they are today, but Vince just felt one day that the company needed a change.
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Post by Darkhawk on Mar 6, 2020 0:08:38 GMT -5
That Brock Lesnar episode was trash, if you read Brock's book he's goes more into detail as to why he left in 2004. I even made a thread about it for everyone on the classic wrestling page a few months ago. It should still be on there.
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Post by Brick Man on Mar 6, 2020 0:25:37 GMT -5
Brock's episode was very okay for me. Nothing too detailed and the stuff they talked about I've already heard even more details of. So very middle of the road for me.
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Post by JP on Mar 6, 2020 5:29:24 GMT -5
New Gen would be really interesting to see - if it's honest. If they try to pass 1995 off as anything other than what it was, nobody will find it credible. They've already spun that one before lol. In the opening of the first Attitude Era DVD, they claimed the business was on very good ground and the New Gen would have eventually bloomed into the juggernaut they are today, but Vince just felt one day that the company needed a change. Got to love that revisionist history, right?
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Post by LA Times on Mar 6, 2020 7:56:23 GMT -5
I am loving this series so far, a great trip down memory lane. Is there any other episodes planned? I would love to see a series based on the Golden Era and the New Generation too! I would hate to see what a golden era series would have been like if it was done in 2015-16...
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Post by Kill Em' All on Mar 6, 2020 12:34:53 GMT -5
Honestly Lesnar leaving in 2004, transformed the whole foundation of WWE. I like Lesnar's work for the most part, but I prefer our timeline where guys like Cena, Batista, Orton got over much quicker or at all (Batista's case). Really weird to think they wanted HHH on SmackDown in 2004 to feud with Lesnar going into WM 21. I think we got much better world instead. Only thing we had to suffer was SmackDown having really bad lower card in 2004.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Mar 6, 2020 16:33:49 GMT -5
I didn’t say it was him. I even tried to imply that it seemed like Hunter kept him down to a degree. Exactly. It has to be what happened behind the scenes. Or maybe the company just didn't see anything in him, which was common for a lot of guys on the roster at that time. It was pointed out how immature he was in the episode so
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Post by Decky on Mar 6, 2020 16:42:40 GMT -5
Episode 4 is pretty weak in my opinion. Literally nothing in it that we haven't heard before, and obviously Brock wasn't interviewed for it which hurt the narrative I think. It felt really rushed as well.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 6, 2020 17:21:15 GMT -5
Exactly. It has to be what happened behind the scenes. Or maybe the company just didn't see anything in him, which was common for a lot of guys on the roster at that time. It was pointed out how immature he was in the episode so Yeah when the man himself says, "they were right not to go with me, I was immature" it's pretty much case closed at that point. I give Jindrak credit for acknowledging his part in why it didn't work out.
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Post by A-Rob on Mar 8, 2020 21:35:30 GMT -5
The Brock Lesnar episode was what I expected, really liked some of the footage but no new information.
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Post by Kill Em' All on Mar 9, 2020 1:02:17 GMT -5
Can’t wait for the Civil War episode, I hope we get some good info and discussion to draw away
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 9, 2020 12:27:51 GMT -5
Honestly Lesnar leaving in 2004, transformed the whole foundation of WWE. I like Lesnar's work for the most part, but I prefer our timeline where guys like Cena, Batista, Orton got over much quicker or at all (Batista's case). Really weird to think they wanted HHH on SmackDown in 2004 to feud with Lesnar going into WM 21. I think we got much better world instead. Only thing we had to suffer was SmackDown having really bad lower card in 2004. There’s been conflicting reports over the booking Lesnar would have received following WM20. But none of them involved HHH going to SD. One long-standing rumor is that Lesnar moves to Raw, becomes a face, and feuds with Evolution in 2004 before getting HHH at WM21. In Lesnar’s book, he notes that when asked about his plans after WM20 that he was told he’d be jobbing to the Undertaker at Judgement Day 2004 and that nothing was planned for him after this. Also seems likely as Booker T seemed to be shoe-horned into that one month feud with Taker. If this scenario takes place, maybe Lesnar takes the title back from Eddie at some points and outs Cena over at WM21. Bradshaw still likely becomes JBL but isn’t a main eventer with Lesnar as the top heel.
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